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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 30 Aug 2012, 10:59 pm

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm

A.I's are usually good for me. My English core, Garvey and Armitages dont get picked by Lancaster which is ideal!


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Post by prop_lyd Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:06 pm

What are people's thoughts of Hazell? I'm thinking to replace Newby as a back-up 7 after Tips and Higginbotham?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm

Decent prem player Prop, not sure he'll survive in this league too well with the general standard bordering on Int

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Post by stnick88 Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm

In a big league game probably wouldnt get rated well but in Amlin games and LV would be fine I reckon.

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Post by Guest Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm

AI's will be a bit of a mare but i usually do ok as well. Hazell been best 7 in the prem this year and is a great player. Was good whenever picked for england. I think he would do fine in the league. he is as good as salvi etc and is a pure 7.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm

I disagree there Matt. Wouldnt have him in the same class as Salvi and Robshaw. He is a good player and works well at the breakdown though.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:33 pm

Wasnt Qera best 7? Wink
Showing your club bias I think.

Nowhere near Louw, Robshaw etc.

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Post by Guest Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm

Nick for me Qera is one of best 7s about . Davies favours hazell because we want to play a super quick brand with a link man.

Qera is like armitage all carrying and deck work but not a link 7.

Louw has been immense for SA but average in prem for Bath when i have seen him.

Robshaw and Hazell been only 7s with any real form in the league this year. I like Poff but he is often massively up against it.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:39 pm

Any bath fan I've seen say anything about Louw is how he's left a massive hole in their side and they desperately need him back. Fearns playing well but Louw brings something very different.

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Post by prop_lyd Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm

Seems like I've opened a can of worms!!
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Post by stnick88 Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm

I dont think Louw has played as well for Bath as he has for SA and in super rugby, but still a class player.

I rate Qera think he is quality but he hardly seems to play. Poff does a great job considering his pack is usually on the back foot.

Irish really lacking a 7. Gibson has been poor this season and with Fisher and Hoff injured Trev has been playing 8. Praying Steffon comes back at some point.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 03 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm

Gibson has really stalled, not been impressed with him for a long long time.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 03 Oct 2012, 1:01 pm

He is all energy and not much class for me. Tackles well, but gives away far too many penalties, gets too many yellow cards and doesnt carry much. He is still young but needs to kick on.

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Post by Guest Wed 03 Oct 2012, 1:08 pm

Louw is classy player. Like him at 6 also where he has played quite a bit. He was good for bath last year in what was a poor poor season

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Post by Guest Wed 03 Oct 2012, 1:25 pm

LukeLovesLuka wrote:Any bath fan I've seen say anything about Louw is how he's left a massive hole in their side and they desperately need him back. Fearns playing well but Louw brings something very different.

Luke dont speak to Bath fans they are awful people. Very Happy

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 9:04 am

New Zealand: 15-Israel Dagg, 14-Cory Jane, 13-Conrad Smith, 12-Ma'a Nonu, 11-Hosea Gear, 10-Dan Carter, 9-Aaron Smith, 8-Kieran Read, 7-Richie McCaw (captain), 6-Liam Messam, 5-Sam Whitelock, 4-Brodie Retallick, 3-Owen Franks, 2-Andrew Hore, 1-Tony Woodcock.
Replacements: 16-Keven Mealamu, 17-Ben Franks, 18-Luke Romano, 19-Adam Thomson, 20-Piri Weepu, 21-Aaron Cruden, 22-Tamati Ellison

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 9:47 am

Here's a topic of conversation for the day...

Should Wilko be selected for the Lions? He's said he wants to go, be interesting to see if he does as Gatland is obviously a big fan of him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:21 am

I don't think you can select somebody not playing Internaional rugby personally

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Post by stnick88 Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:22 am

If he is playing better than any other 10's in contention then I dont see why not. Would be good for him to be playing for England though.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:28 am

Hard to judge form if not playing Int imo

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:34 am

For me if he plays well for Toulon in the HC he should go. He's been in amazing form so far this season - 5 wins out of 5 when he's played, game he gets rested Toulon lose.

My parents are out in Toulon at the moment and the French can't understand why Lancaster isn't begging him to play for England again! They rate him so highly and he's improved so much since moving to France - such a shame his career was plagued by injuries

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:44 am

There was about 12 players rested for that game Chris. The president had promised the major players a week off if they won 5 from 5.

I'm glad he's not involved for England, we need to move on.

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 10:57 am

Sadly we havent got a good enough fly half to have moved on though - I only hope that Ford continues to develop, though have liked the look of Burns this season

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Post by stnick88 Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:04 am

Kennedy played openside v Toulouse! Was nothing to do with Wilkinson not playing.

He was playing well for Toulon last time he played for England, that didnt work out well. Everyone wanted Flood back.

For me Burns is the form 10. Shame he is so ugly (I remembered your comment on him the other day pooly, face only a mother could love).

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:10 am

That was under Johnson though Nick, and a really cra p England team.

Trouble I have is that Flood is now 27/28 and he should have by now made the England no10 shirt his own, but he hasn't.

Think Burns refers to himself as a Colonal Gaddafi look alike on his twitter account

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:17 am

Agree with Nick there, Wilko plays behind a fantastic Toulon pack which dominates opposition like England will never do. We need to move on.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:18 am

The same England team that won the 6N & had back to wins against Aus.....

If we were crap when we won the 6N what are we now???

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:35 am

Do you think we've moved on under Lancaster Pooly?

We seem to be moving in the right direction, but the 10-12 channel is a huge concern for me - with Farrell in the coaching setup you'd imagine that we will still play a tad conservatively, even though Catt is in as the backs guy - I think they could still go with Farrell and Barritt as 10/12 this Autumn.

Would rather it be Flood, but I don't think that is how Lancaster wants to play.

I don;t think our pack is that far away from being a really good unit now - all the Saints boys are playing well (Hartley, Wood and Lawes) and you'd imagine they will all play, got Robshaw doing very well too and Dan Cole looks to get better and better each year.

Very interested to see how Ben Morgan does after not doing that great in SA and whether he is able to up his game again and play like he did in the 6Nations - as a backrow of Wood, Robshaw and Morgan could be pretty good.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:41 am

I thought we were fantastic in the that 6N and AI with Jonno at the helm. Flood was playing some lovely stuff and we were playing fast expansive rugby.

It all went to pot in the WC and we resorted to old England of forming slow grinding pods and no fizz in the backline.

Has Lancaster brought us on since we won the 6n? No

Are we playing better than we did in the WC? Yes but that wasn't hard as we were dog turd.

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 11:53 am

We did play some good games in that 6Nations, but think Johnson got it completely wrong with his team, just looking at the next game and not long term - our last good coach was Woodward who always aimed for the future, whilst I don't think Johnson and his coaching set up did at all.

Was 2011 when we had Hape and Banahan as our centre partnership? And the year that Italy played the flanker as a scrum half?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm

Hape & Tindall I think.

I thought MJ was doing well until he bricked it pre WC and brought in all the old guard. Completely changed the style and it just didn't work.

I'm unconvinced by Lancaster so far but it's early days. Farrell snr should be nowhere near an International set up as anything to do with attack.

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Post by stnick88 Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm

I remember we had a couple of decent warm up games. Beat Wales at home then beat Ireland away. Tindall had a good half playing at 12 v Ireland and suddenly everyone thought he was the answer to our problems at 12.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm

See Youngs & Ford are Tigers half backs this weekend. Good to see Youngs back and Ford finally given a chance

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm

Worcester sign Euan Murray

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:51 pm

There pack must be full of fattys now
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Post by stnick88 Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm

good signing. dont think he is quite the player he was but will help worcester scrum. they have been after a good tighthead for a while.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm

Is this the last round of the 4N??? Why are NZ playing Aus on the 20th?

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 1:11 pm

Bledisloe cup I think
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Post by prop_lyd Thu 04 Oct 2012, 5:08 pm

Yeah isn't the bledisloe cup now played in hong kong or something?!
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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:08 pm

Will the Aussies have a team left by then!

Think Johnson was let down by his coaching staff, all really dinosaurs in their coaching, dont think I've seen so many players come out and say how crap tehy thought they were - they seemed to go down the route of big people make good rugby players and it went wrong!

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:09 pm

Yeah look at Danny Paul.....
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:14 pm

Haha....Chris used to cream over him! Where is he now?

Did MJ bring through big players? Ashton, Youngs, Foden, Manu, Lawes, Cole all came through under Jonno, he actually had a decent record of bringing through young talent.

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:18 pm

He also give Hartley his shot , Corbs , Wood , Haskell , Rees.

Flood never really had a craic until MJ took over.
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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:18 pm

He brought them all through too late though Pooly, only when his crap players he preferred got injured did he trust other players - how long did he take to get rid of Borthwick. He was too loyal I think to underperforming players.

Another example is how long it took him to play Ben Foden, he was best fb in England for 2 seasons and didnt get a look in - remember he did a great little rant pretty much saying that and he didnt understand what more he had to do.

Danny Paul looked good at the time...

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:20 pm

I don't think it was it was he was too loyal to Borthwick but with out him we didn't have a lineout , i just think he was stuck in a gap where there were slim pickings on the England front.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:22 pm

Danny Paul never looked good lol...he was just HUGE!!

It's easy looking in hindsight, I thought MJ was slightly conservative but he did bring loads of young talent through. If he'd have stuck with the brand of rugby he was developing instead of bringing back 10 man rugby he'd still be in a job.

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Post by Driver Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:25 pm

I don't think he knew what he's best team was tbh , the whole Cueto/Armitage thing should have been decided weeks before the world cup.

It's a shame he went the way he did , a massive kick in the nuts to English rugby and man with it's best interests at heart.


Also i wouldn't take Wilkinson for the Lions unless he is the best 10 in the HC by a mile even then i can't see Gats leaving one of Sexton or Priestland at home.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:26 pm

MJ brilliant untill World Cup when he just changed a winning formula. However you rate Palmer and Hape they were doing brilliantly in the run up.

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:27 pm

Despite what happened at the WC with all the player issues - guy was never a manager, as he never went through the right way and RFU gave him the post on his reputation and then left him out to dry, they should have given him an advisor or someone.

3-4 years ago Paul was a good player, think he ruptured his knee ligaments a few times and then never got back to playing properly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 04 Oct 2012, 6:29 pm

Can't agree Chris, he was terrible. Just a massive lump and no rugby brain/skills. Billy V is a much better player already than Paul ever was.

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