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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
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8 Homepage - Page 6 1Bath Rugby840 4 185 193 -17 17 21 0 3 19
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12 Homepage - Page 6 11Saracens820 6 166 209 -43 14 23 0 311





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2. Bathite

Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Mon 15 Oct 2012, 4:52 pm

Yeah Mulipola struggled - he's alright in the AP and will do me fine for the AI's (if he's around!), but you can see how hard he found it at the highest level playing against the Toulouse front row.

See Cockerill has been moaning about Tigers being naive - but just don't think they could cope with the power Toulouse had. Not sure how many will.

HC must go to one of Clermont, Toulouse or Toulon this year -think Clermont and Toulon have a bit more about them though.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 15 Oct 2012, 8:52 pm

See Cencus made the team of the week. Never sure how people rate him in compassion to my other THs (Cole and Mujati)?

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Post by Driver Mon 15 Oct 2012, 8:53 pm

He's poo i'll swap you some skittles for him thumbsup



But if i sign him , he's a beast at the scrum.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 15 Oct 2012, 9:20 pm

Tempting...

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Oct 2012, 11:26 am

Koyamibole has been cited for biting Danaher on Saturday! such a weird thing to do. Anyone got him on this game?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm

Australia: 15 Mike Harris, 14 Nick Cummins, 13 Ben Tapuai, 12 Pat McCabe, 11 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 10 Kurtley Beale, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Scott Higginbotham, 5 Nathan Sharpe (c), 4 Sitaleki Timani, 3 Ben Alexander, 2 Tatafu Polota Nau, 1 Benn Robinson.

Replacements: 16 Saia Fainga'a, 17 James Slipper, 18 Kane Douglas, 19 Dave Dennis, 20 Liam Gill, 21 Brett Sheehan, 22 Drew Mitchell.


Fickou called up by the French.


Masoe wins Top 14 player of the year.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm

Think Matt released him.

Anyone able to post the French squad on here. I was hoping Fritz wouldn't get picked but here he may have? And huget?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Oct 2012, 1:20 pm

Both in Steve

Forwards: Nicolas Mas, David Attoub, Eddy Ben Arous, Vincent Debaty, Thomas Domingo, Yannick Forestier, Dimitri Szarzewski, Christopher Tolofua, Benjamin Kayser, Pascal Papé, Yoann Maestri, Sébastien Vahaamahina, Jocelino Suta, Thierry Dusautoir, Wenceslas Lauret, Fulgence Ouedraogo, Damien Chouly, Louis Picamoles, Pierrick Gunther.


Backs: Morgan Parra, Maxime Machenaud, Frédéric Michalak, François Trinh-Duc, Jules Plisson, Maxime Mermoz, Wesley Fofana, Florian Fritz, Gaël Fickou, Vincent Clerc, Yoann Huget, Benjamin Fall, Brice Dulin, Vincent Martin

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Oct 2012, 1:56 pm

Brice Dulin always looks a talent as does pierrick Gunther.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 16 Oct 2012, 2:04 pm

Is Dulin the Agen fullback? Got a monster pass on him!

Anyone think the England squad for the 6Nations will have any surprises? I can only see Wade and Launchbury as guys who could get the call up to the squad, but not match day 22.

Imagine team will be something like:

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Lawes
5. Parling
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan
9. Care
10. Flood/Farrell - no idea who Lancaster will pick
11. Sharples/Monye/Wade
12. Barrit
13. Tuilagi
14. Ashton
15. Brown

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Oct 2012, 2:36 pm

Cant see Sharples getting picked, has been injured for a while and when playing hasnt looked that great.
Monye has looked quality reckon he might get the nod.
Wade needs more time in the AP, still suspect defensively.

Reckon you are right with the rest of that. Hopefully Flood will start, Farrell has been pretty average this season. Joseph bench to cover centre and wing.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 16 Oct 2012, 2:47 pm

My concern with England is that Lancaster/Farrell seem to like to play a bit of a conservative style, which could mean Farrell at no10.

Hope we can find some game changers on the bench, would be good to have some players who can make a difference in the final 20mins - probably have Dickson over Youngs at the moment, then I guess it's Flood or Farrell and then JJ.

Monye has looked back to his best, fits in with Lancaster's mould of being good defensively too. Agree with you about Wade as well, think if he's to come into the England setup he needs to be played in the 6Nations.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Oct 2012, 3:05 pm

Just looking at the french squad properly now and theres a few iffy decisions there by PSA. Not sure why hes named 6 props and 4 of them are LHs? The likes of Ben Arous and Vahaamahina aren't regulars at club level and Lauret is pretty poor at international level. Better options around then the young lad Martin as well...

Happy to see Fickou in though!! Very Happy

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Oct 2012, 3:14 pm

Awful lot of French players who I know little about in that squad. hopefully Fritz won't play much with Wesley, mermoz and Fickou involved. I could become worryingly short at 13 for ai's but could also have all 3 available.

Reckon Monye will start.on wrong with Ashton myself.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Oct 2012, 3:18 pm

i'd expect Fritz will get some gametime Steve. Mermoz has been alright at 13 but Fritz is better there and if they give Fickou a game Fritz will probably start next to him to ease him in same way Rougerie did for Fofanna last year

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Post by prop_lyd Tue 16 Oct 2012, 3:53 pm

Glad malzieu's not in that squad!! Would people rate him at 12? Just thinking as McCabe and McFadden are likely to be away!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:09 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Brice Dulin always looks a talent as does pierrick Gunther.

Looking at one of these for my next foreign.


Imagine French centres will be 12. Fofana 13. Mermoz, which could be an amazing combo - but you never know with the French who they'll pick.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:12 pm

Reckon I might go for Gunther

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:19 pm

I might go for gunther also. Masoe, bosch strauss and a few others interest me also.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:25 pm

Have more cash than you two boxing Wink

To be fair looking at my squad and the fact I'll likely release EFS I need a back more than a forward...

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:27 pm

not sure if a 6 is my priority though.

Masoe is 33 but a class act

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:29 pm

I'm genuinly stuck with who to go for. Like the look of Gunther but got a lot of backrowers on the book. Fancy Machenaud the Racing 9 but not sure how he would be rated here?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:31 pm

Gunther has always flattered to deceive for me, has one good game them kind of goes missing. Not sure if he's young mind so might be improving

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:32 pm

He's a great no9 SJE. Racing seem to be a club on the up too, so wouldnt be a bad bet!

I am very tempted with Botica, but Bleyandaal looks to be coming good for Canterbury in the ITN or whatever its called.

Is there going to be another transfer window?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:41 pm

I think he'll struggle to get rated SJE tbh

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:41 pm

Gunther is 22 I think.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:42 pm

Worth a punt at that age, you could have said 32 and I'd have believed you lol

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:45 pm

Yeah I've had that problem with a lot of my Top 14 buys Pooly Crying or Very sad

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:57 pm

Just don't think Racing are a fashionable club mate, unless he gets Int time.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Oct 2012, 4:57 pm

Unless a obviously class winger comes about I'll be going for youth again i think.

Maybe a versatile prop.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Oct 2012, 11:37 pm

Highlanders shaping up well for next season. Rumours they'll sign Woodcock, Thorn, Nonu and Maitland.

Other rumours doing the rounds.....BOD to Tahs & Genia to Japan!

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm

Interesting one for me and the Irish lads. Without even having played union yet Sa has been called up by Samoa for their Autumn tests. Doubt he will get any game time! But could be a very good learning experience for him!

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:23 pm

Wasps retirement jinx continues as Richard Birkett retires...

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Post by Guest Wed 17 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm

to be fair would birkett be near the first team chris?

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 17 Oct 2012, 1:08 pm

Nah just a very good person around the club, like John Hart. Been with the club 13-14 years I think.

Not sure if a club has had more retirements than Wasps in last 2-3 years - think we've lost Berry, Hart and Birkett this year alone!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 17 Oct 2012, 2:16 pm

Highlanders squad looks outstanding Pooly! They are a TH and another class backrower away from being a outstanding side.

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Post by Driver Wed 17 Oct 2012, 7:47 pm

Mike Catt saying George Ford not ready for England on 5Live.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 17 Oct 2012, 8:16 pm

No great shock there tbh. Flood, Burns & Farrell are in pole position. Be good for Ford to be introduced to the Saxons I reckon.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 17 Oct 2012, 9:16 pm

Wonder if that is catt a view it the management teams. Farrell.can't have been much more experienced when he was picked and I think Ford is ahead if where Farrell was when he was first picked.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 17 Oct 2012, 10:20 pm

Folks, the same as some of you are experiencing I am having trouble getting on at times when only on 3G. As a result I am going to extend the deadline for getting teams in until Friday evening (8pm) and predos can stay open the whole weekend.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 17 Oct 2012, 10:28 pm

Have you seen the issue raised anywhere else Pete?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 17 Oct 2012, 10:38 pm

Yes mate. The site admins are looking into what the problem is.
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Post by prop_lyd Wed 17 Oct 2012, 11:03 pm

Am I the only one not having problems on phone?!
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Post by stnick88 Thu 18 Oct 2012, 8:40 am

glad its not only me.

is working today at work for the first time, but isnt working on 3g on phone.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Thu 18 Oct 2012, 10:25 am

Looks like no inclusion of French based players, or Nick Easter...

http://www.espnscrum.com/england/rugby/story/171346.html

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Post by dammit_chris Thu 18 Oct 2012, 11:08 am

Is Easter 33/34 now? Can see why they don't pick him as he wont be around, but not sure why they persist with Dowson, very clever player but think he lacks physicality at highest level. Not the biggest Waldroum fan, though he did play pretty well in SA.

I know he's in my academy, but have been very impressed with Billy Vunipola this season, he's got Ashley Johnson moved to no6/no7 to make sure he plays at no8. Who knew that stopping eating so many burgers would have such a big impact. Should be in the Saxons now.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Thu 18 Oct 2012, 11:18 am

Dowson isn't that much younger than easter either...

Waldrom is an amazing ball carrier, something we lack as a unit. I'd have him as our 8 until we find sone ball carrying options at lock personally.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Thu 18 Oct 2012, 12:35 pm

My phone has been fine. Hearing JOC is out till new year

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Post by stnick88 Thu 18 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm

over Morgan?

I think Morgan should be the one we persist with. Waldrom bench maybe.

Dowson and Easter are too old no point in playing them.

Vunipola needs more game time with Wasps then I'd get him involved, has looked good.

Sheridan and the Armitages have been in great form, hard to ignore them for England but if they cant make training camps then that is a fair reason not to pick them.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Thu 18 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm

Personally, Nick, yes. Think he gets us over the gain line more. But Morgan is the future for me.
Agree with the point about training camps...but think with Sheridan and particularly Steffon, England would be a better side.

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