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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:38 pm

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Second win of the season for Saracens and defeats for Welsh, Wasps and Worcester mean there is just 3 points between the bottom four.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:11 pm

I do like the look of Launchbury.

Think the problem might be who to partner him with. Dont think him and Lawes would work. He isnt really a great lineout option is he.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:14 pm

Yea he can only make so many changes. Hard to look ahead and plan who's going to come through I guess.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:17 pm

He's be a good bench option until him or Lawes learn to run the line. Until a better option comes along we need a lineout op.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:22 pm

Attwood has really stepped up this last few weeks, playing some great stuff and carrying really well.

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Post by stnick88 Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:25 pm

This is probably my Irish bias coming through but I think Garvey is a better out and out lock than Launchbury, for the reasons that he is a bit better in the lineout and is more bulky. I'd like to think he is a better carrier but I havent seen enough of Wasps games to comment. Both are good young players though, have similar work rate and tackle stats I imagine.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:28 pm

Launchbury and Garvey both class. Garvey the most suited to international rugby as we stand but I think in time Launchbury will become the better player.

I think George Kruis is in the same bracket. Very excited by him when I see him.

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Post by stnick88 Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:47 pm

Yeh I can agree with that Steve. Launchbury does look like he can step and become real top class.

Kruis looks a talent.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:50 pm

Watching the game yesterday also made me think that Christian Wade will be playing for England sooner than I thought. Think he could be a massive part of England side over next 5 years

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Post by dammit_chris Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:32 pm

Wade has come on leaps and bounds this season, did you see his try against London Welsh last week - one of the best individual tries I think I've seen. He's become a lot better under the high ball now and you can see the work they've done with his tackling.

Issue I have slightly with him at the moment is that he doesn't take the right passing options, couple of times Daly was in acres of space yesterday and Wade didnt pass - but that will come with experience.

Form wing in the AP for me - but then Varndell is really impressing me again, think Healy summed him up perfectly saying he'd be world class if he had more aggression and smashed people in the tackle.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:54 pm

Is there a foreign window this month?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:05 am

Scotland team:

Stuart Hogg, Sean Lamont, Nick de Luca, Matt Scott, Tim Visser, Greig Laidlaw, Mike Blair, Ryan Grant, Ross Ford, Geoff Cross, Richie Gray, Jim Hamilton, Alasdair Strokosch, Ross Rennie, Kelly Brown (captain)

Replacements: Scott Lawson, Allen Jacobsen, Kyle Traynor, Alastair Kellock, Dave Denton, Henry Pyrgos, Ruaridh Jackson, Max Evans

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:14 am

Denton dropped is a big call. He's not been great in the Rabo mind but thought he'd keep his spot at 8 and Brown 6.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:23 am

Surprised to see Denton dropped. Strokosch, Rennie and Brown will struggle as a back row I think. Not enough carrying.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:25 am

I think they'll be ok Steve, none of them are big carriers like Denton but all 3 carry pretty well so you can afford to lose Denton I guess.

Robinson really seems to fancy Strokosh.

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Post by stnick88 Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:14 pm

Strokosch is a decent player, powerful lad.

I havent seen much of Denton so cant really comment, but reading reviews and forums and general opinion he has had a poor start to the season so its not that suprising he has been dropped. Even Scot fans who used to rave about him have said he has been playing poorly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:28 pm

Just watching Tigers - Ospreys, cracking game. Tiputic is dominating breakdown

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Post by stnick88 Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:38 pm

Hardly suprising considering the form he has been in and playing against a backrow of Mafi, Waldrom and Crane who are hardly breakdown specialists.

But yeh Tipuric did dominate. Youngs, Flood and Tuilagi played well especially late in the game.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:00 pm

Youngs was outstanding, box kicking was first rate which it wasn't last season.

Cole & Parling realling dominated set piece and Tuilagi looked electric.

I hope they carry on this form through to the AI.

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Post by prop_lyd Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:30 pm

Leigh Halfpenny (Cardiff Blues); Alex Cuthbert (Blues), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Jamie Roberts (Blues), George North (Scarlets); Rhys Priestland (Scarlets), Tavis Knoyle (Scarlets); Gethin Jenkins (Toulon), Matthew Rees (Scarlets), Aaron Jarvis (Ospreys), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys), Ian Evans (Ospreys), Josh Turnbull (Scarlets), Toby Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons), Sam Warburton (Blues, capt).

Replacements: Richard Hibbard (Ospreys), Ryan Bevington (Ospreys), Paul James (Bath), Robin McCusker (Scarlets), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Mike Phillips (Bayonne), James Hook (Perpignan), Liam Williams (Scarlets).
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:34 pm

Are we expecting Warbs to play at 8 and Faletau at 7?

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Post by stnick88 Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:43 pm

Surely not?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:45 pm

I read Turnbull at 6 and Faletau at 8

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:49 pm

just the format of the team sheets ive seen and the one prop has put reads like that.

Wouldn't be to surprised to see Warbs at 8 or 6 and Tipuric at 7 at some stage.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:50 pm

As you'd expect:

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/156795.html

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:32 pm

Launchbury set to make debut. England 23:

England squad: Forwards: D Cole (Leicester Tigers), T Johnson (Exeter Chiefs), J Launchbury (London Wasps), J Marler (Harlequins), T Palmer (London Wasps), D Paice (London Irish), G Parling (Leicester Tigers), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), M Vunipola (Saracens), T Waldrom (Leicester Tigers), D Wilson (Bath Rugby), T Wood (Northampton Saints), T Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Backs: B Barritt (Saracens), M Brown (Harlequins), D Care (Harlequins), O Farrell (Saracens), T Flood (Leicester Tigers), A Goode (Saracens), U Monye (Harlequins), C Sharples (Gloucester Rugby), M Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), B Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:36 pm

Guessing....

1. Marler
2. T Youngs
3. Cole
4. Palmer
5. Parling
6. TJ
7. Robshaw
8. Waldroum

9. Care
10.Flood
11. Monye
12. Barritt
13. Tuilagi
14. Sharples
15. Goode

16. Paice
17. Wilson
18. Mako
19. Launchbury
20. Wood
21. Youngs
22. Farrell
23. Brown

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:18 pm

Is it a 23 or 22 man squad? I thought it was still one prop ion the bench.

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Post by Driver Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:26 pm

It's 22 i think.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:32 pm

8 man bench apparently

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:34 pm

England head coach Stuart Lancaster said: "We have had a good two days back at Pennyhill Park and the players have been very focused on delivering against Fiji.

“Saturday is a great opportunity for us to put a marker down and deliver a quality performance. It’s great to have young players such as Mako Vunipola and Joe Launchbury get their opportunities in the matchday 23 and we are excited about the potential of the squad.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:43 pm

Must have changed to 23 now. That makes a huge difference for england. Ca choose 2nd best LH and TH rather than most versatile.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:52 pm

Will really help our scrum, we've always struggled finding a balance of TH/LH.

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Post by stnick88 Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:48 am

Corbisiero supposed to be playing for Irish this weekend.
Has he been replaced in the EPS or can be still play for England in AI's?

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Post by prop_lyd Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:09 am

He's just been released for more gametime I guess.

Morgan, Burns and 12T released for Glos!
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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:29 am

Good to see Botha get the Axe. a back 3 of Monye, sharples and Brown will be decent in attack and defence.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:13 pm

SA:

South Africa team to play Ireland: Zane Kirchner; JP Pietersen, Jaco Taute, Jean de Villiers (captain) , Francois Hougaard; Pat Lambie, Ruan Pienaar; Tendai Mtawarira, Adriaan Strauss, Jannie du Plessis; Eben Etzebeth, Juandré Kruger; Francois Louw, Willem Alberts, Duane Vermeulen.

Replacements: Schalk Brits, CJ van der Linde, Pat Cilliers, Flip van der Merwe, Marcell Coetzee, Morné Steyn, Juan de Jongh, Lwazi Mvovo

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:23 pm

Tom Youngs is such a good carrier, if he can just improve his throwing a Tadge (it's not as bad as some say) he'll be England hook for sure.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:24 pm

Just watching end of Osprey game

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Post by stnick88 Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:45 pm

wouldnt say he is a better carrier than hartley. for me hartley has a better all round game than youngs. cant see him being replaced.

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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:54 pm

Me neither. dont think he will ever sort his Darts.

Not a fan at all. would much rather they added Grey if he is fit again?
































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Post by dammit_chris Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:00 pm

Anyone know if Tigers v NZ Mauri is going to be on tele? Always a good game - think Tait makes his comeback too.

Thing with Hartley is that his leadership qualities are very underrated and how important that is for the England team - in the pack you really only have Robshaw as a leader at the moment. I don't think he will lose his place before 2015 WC, unless we find some more leaders in the team, or someone exceptional comes along.

Do have concerns that Youngs might be in for a very steep learning curve when he plays NZ and SA - so think its lucky we have Fiji and Aussies first up, so he can get his confidence up.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:04 pm

He def has concerns with darts but if he can nail them he's a much better carrier than Hartley. His carrying is on a complete different level imo

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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:17 pm

its really hard to get your darts right. You never really see someone improve that much especially at youngs age.

its a shame that it looks like Jamie George's development has slowed to a crawl. Last year pundits were calling for him to go on tour to SA. this year not seen much of him and when i have he has been ok and no more. needs to move club as he will never displace brits and Smit

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:21 pm

Yea he's hardly had a sniff. Seen him have start and his throwing went to bits, was really bad.

I just hope Gray/Youngs push soon as I can't stand Hartley. Really don't see anything in him.

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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:23 pm

george is still 21/22 so has time to kick on. would be great at somewhere like Bath/Wasps etc


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:25 pm

He'd be in a similar position there though with Webber/Mears and Lindsay and that Welsh lad.

He should come to Falcons, we're desperate for a hooker. Vickers is so bad it's unreal.

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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:35 pm

Forgot about Webber pooly. i meant as a successor to mears. I would have him ahead of Lindsay who has lost his place again this year

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:45 pm

Maybe, not so sure. I really like Lindsay and George tbh, pretty tight battle. Shame Morris isn't getting much game time at Wasps this year as he looked good last season.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:28 pm

Brits sorted out his chucking pretty well.

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Post by Guest Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:38 pm

Brits certainly is the exception to the rule pete

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