Scotland vs All Blacks @ 2.30pm Sunday 11 Nov Murrayfield

mystiroakey wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:The booing is totally pointless too - you'd maybe understand it in a close game against the English but why boo DC after the ABs had just scored an incredible try?

lol- its ok v the english but not against anyone else!1 jeasus what a ridiculas POV you have

If we've learned anything from Argentina it's that only a laser pointer in the face is going to put off a kicker...

not really the point i was making awop

Sorry Mystri! Surely the point is though. Booing is going to have little effect, so is not only rude, but pointless. We've seen fans actually putting off kickers with a laser device not working, so you think going "boooo!!!" from 40 meters away is going to work?

oh i dont really care about the booing just the 'treat england different' thing, it gets old- love banter- but he seemed serious, if it was a joke- fair enough i suppose!

Jeez I hope you're not being serious!

And anyway I think you'll find I said 'you'd maybe understand it', not 'I think its acceptable to boo the English'.

Stop jumping to conclusions.

I am 100% being serious- I really truely hope you are not being though!!

no conclusion jumping at all- Leave the racist stuff out

BOOING IS NOT RUDE!!!

It's not an attack, or an assault, it has nothing to do with the comentators, it is a way of conveying your pleasure/dismay about an action that has occured!!!

mystri

Now your humiliating yourself, how on gods green earth could that be racist. You realise being english isn't a race don't you?

Wow - think I made my stance on booing clear earlier, and you're clearly missing the point of the precise wording I used! .

Your point is very clear- you feel it is more acceptable to boo the english!

if that isnt what you meant you shouldnt have brought england into it..

I dont want an intense debate with a mod- there is normally only one outcome for me. So i will just end it there..

blues- if you think being xenaphobic is different from being racist then your humiliating yourself..it comes from predudice.. Sorry i didnt use the correct term- but it boils down to exactly the same thing

By the way i dont care about booing either- i agree with you completly- let the fans crack on. But for something to be so annoyed with it because its not against england is ridiculas

thebluesmancometh wrote:mystri

Now your humiliating yourself, how on gods green earth could that be racist. You realise being english isn't a race don't you?

According to the last CENSUS it is...

Well you do know that Scots and English are typically the same race (with a minority of others) so racism applies not one single jot!!

Also xenophobia is not racism!!!

Lastly booing is not considered in any court of the land racism, xenophobia, assault or any sort of crime, so is distinguished as none!!

If I boo an english rugby team I am not racist, xenophobic or any other name you want to scream through your tears!!

jeez you need a lay down!!

thebluesmancometh wrote:BOOING IS NOT RUDE!!!

It's not an attack, or an assault, it has nothing to do with the comentators, it is a way of conveying your pleasure/dismay about an action that has occured!!!

Yes. And Argentinian home fans were labelled 'passionate' when they booed during the rugby championship.... I guess it boils down to being a cyclops, as per.

blues- you have missed the point completly

infact you couldnt have missed it any more- your spouting nonsense.. I am not saying booing is racist at all!! i am saying treating people differently based on nationality or race is WRONG!!!

you need to lay down!

thebluesmancometh wrote:Well you do know that Scots and English are typically the same race (with a minority of others) so racism applies not one single jot!!

Also xenophobia is not racism!!!

Lastly booing is not considered in any court of the land racism, xenophobia, assault or any sort of crime, so is distinguished as none!!

If I boo an english rugby team I am not racist, xenophobic or any other name you want to scream through your tears!!

jeez you need a lay down!!

Xenophobia literally means "fear of the unknown/different". It's quite distinct from racism. Often racist behaviour is classified as "xenophobic" but this is a nonsense in an individual instance because there is no evidence for hateful actions arising from fear, or that those feelings are directed towards ALL other races.

Societies formed and prospered by protecting "their own" and extinguishing "other" influences. As such, our modern society would never have formed without xenophobia and to some extent racism. Whether or not we've moved past a point where it is useful and should be erradicated is a large complex and philosophical debate.

I can't believe what you're saying!

You saying that because I dared to mention that a full Murrayfield is quite likely to boo the English (whether I agree with it or not) I'm suddenly being racist against the English??

And I think you'll find judging by other people's comments (people from other nations) it's not just a mod that thinks you're massively over reacting.

Nicely pointed out morg. Argy home games were just as bad as the Scots were, as are certain French crowds, and the MS and Twickers see's it regularly now not to mention the Aviva!!

Booing is part of the game, like cheering, oohing and aarghin, and singing. It's all crowd noise!!

Infact the only crowd noise I dislike (secretly love) is the RDS at lineout time, they used to call numbers etc but have now adapted to make a noise to block the lineout call.

mystiroakey wrote: But for something to be so annoyed with it because its not against england is ridiculas

Now it's very hard to tell what you've actually written, but again I take it that you've completely missed what I've tried to say? I'll spell it out nice and clearly:

I hate booing - there's no place for it in rugby

I was basically saying that I cannot understand why people were booing DC after the ABs had scored some amazing tries. What have the Scots got to boo about with the ABs? I said I'd maybe understand it if it was against the English, because like it or not some people in Scotland like to boo the English, just as lots of other nations like to boo each other. Similarly I'd probably expect some booing at a Wales V England game. At no point did I say booing is bad apart from against the English. At no point did I say I like it when people boo the English.

So get off your high horse, stop making things up and stop taking things entirely the wrong way and completely out of context!

That a bit clearer?

I never understood the criticism of booing. It happens everywhere nowadays. Only Ireland seems to have a hushed silence often at their games but even that's not all the time.

It doesn't matter. Kickers are not put off by it. Carter missed only one today. What I wouldn't like to see happening on a regular basis is the booing of players (like NZ fans did with Cooper) or the whistling and jeering when the opposition has the ball like what happens in football.

Are the ABs that precious that no one is allowed to boo them? How pathetic.

Didn't people see the treatment quade cooper got in the last rugby World Cup in NZ?

Rugby isn't the amateur public school game where everyone is each others chum anymore. Crowd participation is part of the sport and if players can't hack booing they should think carefully about leaving the sport.

I hate it how people say.... "People should applaud so and so because even though he scored a try against your team it was jolly good". Rugby is a tribal sport and test rugby is modern warfare, your team, your nation against your foe, you don't cheer the opposition no matter how good they are.

After the game sure I may say good try and we'll done but during it, not a chance. Do you think you'd ever see Maradona jump up in ecstastic joy if Wayne Rooney scored a wonder goal vs. Argentina? Of course not and I would expect any supporter of any other nation to do so either.

RDW

Maybe I was overreacting but I hate the fact there are still scots that feel the way you explained... From my pov you felt embarrased and shocked that scottish fans would treat NZ the way you thought was only resevered for the english!

Btw blues isnt in the conversation- he has missed the point completely and totally overeacted himself- He seems to think that I think booing is racist!(i have no idea where he got that opinion from- but there you go)

"Are the ABs that precious that no one is allowed to boo them? How pathetic."

totally agree- its nonsense

I thought DC had a pretty good night with the boot. 9/10 wasn't it? Clearly the booing has little effect. I wonder if there is really any point. I think Carter himself said it was more upsetting when the crowd went quiet in Ireland...

there is no point in booing at all- but its part of sport- we cant make it illegal as that would be beyond crazy- embrace these type of fans i suppose, becuase its not going anywhere..

But this notion that its normal to boo certain teams- but when it gets to a point of booing the precious kiwis its so wrong!!!- argg it makes me sick!!!

mystir

I was at the original post you reacted to, or should i say over reacted to!!

Booing the English must clearly be racist if the scottish think it's ok!! Come on, youve made a bit of a fool of yourself and are trying to cover up.

That said I had to clap the 2 Argy tries, they were well deserved and well finished. Almost as much as I clapped the guy behind, when the comentators were saying of wales 'it's coming, it's coming' and everyone looked confused and said 'whats coming?' he replied 'christmas?'

"Booing the English must clearly be racist if the scottish think it's ok"

no nothing of the sort!! seriously go back and read what was said- its very clear.

Please stop making stuff up!

i said (very clearky i might add)

that if certain people think it s ok to boo the english but not other teams that is a racist/xenophic action...(treating a set of people differently to another!!)

its very simple

The booing is totally pointless too - you'd maybe understand it in a close game against the English but why boo DC after the ABs had just scored an incredible try?

This is the racist comment you over reacted to, a Scot booing the English more than anyone else shocker!! You know that old famous rivalry between scots and English, well that kinda gives the game an edge, means the crowd want it more, means they are more likely to boo.

jeez youve lost it!!!

just stop making stuff up pal. Just block me if you dont wanna readm y points. And do yourself a favour stop getting personal. Just go and hassle someone else

mystiroakey wrote:read what was said- its very clear.

Please stop making stuff up!

great.

Booo!

AWOP

Finally I can get on board with you... BOOOOOO

mystir, mate I quoted what RDW said and you called was racist, thats why he's mocking you. And where did I say I didn't want to read your stuff, or got personal?

Christ guys, give it up will ya. Including you mods, what a waste of reading.

shall we just drop it!

Shouldn't have even started IMO.

well there is no time machine its happened- I admit to overreacting- but my underlining point stands. I shouldnt have called ya racist- your not..

nathan wrote:Christ guys, give it up will ya. Including you mods, what a waste of reading.

Sorry Nathan, but even us mods need to.react when someone is completely falsely accusing you of racism.

15 Hogg - exposed frequently by some woeful defence and brilliance by the ABs 5/10

14 Lamont - did he ever touch the ball 4/10

13 NdL - as bad as ever. How bad does he have to get before he gets dropped 0/10

12 - Scott - rubbish - give him 2 for the intercept 2/10

11-Visser - took tries well - defensively poor - thats not why he is there ! 6/10

10 -Laidlaw - sometimes good, sometimes bad - 5/10

9 - Blair - thought he was maybe Scotland's best player - 7/10

8- KB - tried and tried some more - Rennie's injury upset things - 6/10

7 - Denton (?) - take it all back - he played really well-6/10

6 -Stroker - nice one dude - bust a gut in defence - loses a point for not getting up and Muppet that dirty besterd who stamped on his head - 6/10

5- Hamilton - farcical selection of an idiot, moron, penalty magnet - 0/10

4- Gray - give him Scotland's best for his effort and tackling and general goodness (Blair close too)- 8/10

3 Cross - joke at scrummage and defence but took his try well 3/10

2- Ford - see NdL re selection - just how bad does the gym monkey have to get before he is dropped. e.g. Lawson a massive improvement when he came on -1/10 for running around in his normal headless chicken way tbh

1 - Grant - good 1st 40 - tired 2nd 40 but great effort - not helped at scrum time by the 2 numpties next to him tbh- 7/10

Robinson - see all above pse

RDW_Scotland wrote:

nathan wrote:Christ guys, give it up will ya. Including you mods, what a waste of reading.

Sorry Nathan, but even us mods need to.react when someone is completely falsely accusing you of racism.

That's fine, say your bit and then leave it. You should know that as a mod, this thread isn't about if someone is being racist or not, its about the match.

Will NZ player be cited for the stamping on someones head? If so what's the ban time for it?

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:

12 - Scott - rubbish - give him 2 for the intercept 2/10

care to explain that one?

You though Scott was good ????? Jezus H - he is another who Andy (I will select players who are on form and fit) Robinson has been conned into thinking is an int class rugby player. Gash today - against a 2nd string AB centre partnership. He (Scott) and Nock on Nick must be the weakest centre partnership playing international rugby.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:You though Scott was good ????? Jezus H - he is another who Andy (I will select players who are on form and fit) Robinson has been conned into thinking is an int class rugby player. Gash today - against a 2nd string AB centre partnership. He (Scott) and Nock on Nick must be the weakest centre partnership playing international rugby.

youve still to explain where he was bad

I cannot remember him making a significant tackle - i.e. on the opposition player with the ball in the time he was on the pitch. You will no doubt tell me he gave a master class in i/c play - right enough I cannot remember Laidlaw giving him anything like a decent pass !

He wasnt perfect (who is? other than Dan Carter), but he was prominent on attack and certainly didnt shirk his defensive duties. He also should of got a try but for it being inconclusive. I would give him 6/10, and im confident that a lot of the media will agree.

edit: 2 runs for 20 metres gained, 1 clean break, 1 assist, no missed tackles. Seriosuly, your standards are weird at times

I have to say I though it was typical first up display by an understength AB's outfit. We did well in patches and lacked some combinations. We were too strong for Scotland and were able to exploit some of their weaknesses. But we have a lot to work on over the next couple of weeks.

I expect more of the same against Italy. I think the team next week will be stronger (i.e. a better pack and backline), but they are still going to be a rusty and we will have inexperienced players ins some key positions. The Italians pose different threats to the Scottish team. I think it will be interesting.

No missed tackles - where did this mysterious statistic come from ? The clean break and assist were self evident in Visser's 1st try but my standards !? Are you Andy Robinson by any chance ?

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:No missed tackles - where did this mysterious statistic come from ? The clean break and assist were self evident in Visser's 1st try but my standards !? Are you Andy Robinson by any chance ?

From the official stats page on scrum.com If you have a more reliable source that points otherwise id love to see it, but comparing his stats with the all black centres, he was actually better value for money than his opposite number taking into account how many times they each got the ball, and Try aside, Ben smith aswell.

How you can give someone who puts in those numbers against the all blacks a 2/10 is bewildering, but then again you are the guy who argued that Visser utter crap last week, so I dont know why im surprised.

Right then that confirms it - you ARE Andy Robinson - please resign then !