Ireland XV vs Fiji, Match Thread and Build-Up

[Notch]

First topic message reminder :

Looking ahead to this game, Eoin Reddan is a doubt apparently but there are no other new injury concerns. Ferris and O'Connell are confirmed out of this and next week.

I've already talked about the issue of this game not being considered a full international which can be found HERE and we should should probably try and keep discussion of that issue to the relevant thread.

I'm very much of the opinion that we should largely keep the same team. I don't see how wholesale changes are going to help prepare the firsts for Argentina. There should of course be a few tweaks (please put Earls back in the back three) but this team needs time on the pitch together. Of course, I think our problems run deeper than a lack of pitch time together but we're in a desperate situation here. We need to beat Argentina and this game has to be treated as a dry run for the week after.

[Rory_Gallagher]

Yeah Decco, you were a Madigan fan from the start. I liked the cut of his jib, but thought he was no JS. He's not. He is a completely different player and brings a whole new option to Leinster & Ireland. This is good.

JJ will have something to say about that. But. Will he be our new 12? In the near future, its between him & McFadden. Trust me.

I guess you missed the young 12 playing today then, Gibson?

He owns that 12 shirt. Hanrahan will stick to 10 I reckon.

[Gibson]

Let me just throw this one out there. Run it up the flagpole as it were. Bear with me.

Ulster, are the new, hurt, paranoid, disrespected, underrated, passionate, plucky, underdogs... with a strong point to prove to their Masters in Dubh Linn.

All that, was once Munster's province in the Past. That is gone now. They are not a threat anymore. Ulster may aspire to be.

Ooh man, not another lot of provincial boggers to put in their rightful place.

This, gets tiring roysh.


But its fierce craic.

Leinster are the team with the target on their backs, Ulster are hungry and have everything to prove. Don't drop the baton when ye hand it over

They are getting cocky. It will be their undoing. Its all a veil of tears waiting to happen this season. Next year maybe.


Fair enough, North Of The Cute Hoor. Deal.

But NO one is taking our Cup off us. Not in our Town. Not without a hell of a fight.

But yeah, Ulster are true contenders to the Throne now. With their depth of squad, the mix of talented youth & experience in it, the fiercely-ambitious Humphreys at the helm, with an astute NZ coach in situ, who has them singing like a choir. And last year's hurt, still fresh in their minds. All HC Winners must feel that hurt before winning it. That's dangerous.

Ulster have arrived.

Believe.

[LeinsterFan4life]

Yeah Decco, you were a Madigan fan from the start. I liked the cut of his jib, but thought he was no JS. He's not. He is a completely different player and brings a whole new option to Leinster & Ireland. This is good.

JJ will have something to say about that. But. Will he be our new 12? In the near future, its between him & McFadden. Trust me.

I guess you missed the young 12 playing today then, Gibson?

He owns that 12 shirt. Hanrahan will stick to 10 I reckon.

JJ has more potential imo.

[ME-109]

where has mrs p gone. i know she hates it when people start talking sense on here, it goes against her preconceptions.

dont worry i can stop being positive about ulster players if you prefer...

[ME-109]

JJ looks like a 10 at the moment.

[Standulstermen]

I genuinely dont see Hanrahan having the size to play 12 at the top level. I think he will battle with Jackson for the 10 shirt soon enough (after JS mind). Its not that he is a weak tackler its that every weekthere are Jamie Roberts sized guys running at you and there needs to be the bulk to back that up.

Marshall is a solid unit whereas JJ (anytime i have seen him) is of a smaller build. Both will be internationals and bear in mind JJ (and jackson) had a lot better ball for the U20's than marshall or McKinney for instance was presented with.

What i would take out of this game is Marshall and Henderson to start, Jackson to bench and Gilroy must be knocking on the door of the squad.

[Gibson]

Yeah Decco, you were a Madigan fan from the start. I liked the cut of his jib, but thought he was no JS. He's not. He is a completely different player and brings a whole new option to Leinster & Ireland. This is good.

JJ will have something to say about that. But. Will he be our new 12? In the near future, its between him & McFadden. Trust me.

I guess you missed the young 12 playing today then, Gibson?

He owns that 12 shirt. Hanrahan will stick to 10 I reckon.

JJ has more potential imo.

JJ is special. Really special. Think the very same of Felix Jones. Natural footballers, with a Pro attitude. I wish them both an injury-free run for the next few years, because post-BOD lads, they will make the differ.


I know these things.

[Rory_Gallagher]

[JJ has more potential imo.

Two different players IMO. Marshall looks much more natural at 12, while Hanrahan looks much more natural at 10.

[rodders]

Yeah Decco, you were a Madigan fan from the start. I liked the cut of his jib, but thought he was no JS. He's not. He is a completely different player and brings a whole new option to Leinster & Ireland. This is good.

JJ will have something to say about that. But. Will he be our new 12? In the near future, its between him & McFadden. Trust me.

I guess you missed the young 12 playing today then, Gibson?

He owns that 12 shirt. Hanrahan will stick to 10 I reckon.

JJ has more potential imo.

Then there are very exciting times ahead because Marshall is a talented young man who is finally starting to make a mark at senior level. Seemed to be nowhere last year but this season has caught the eye every time he's played. He has great hands, can kick well, is smart, deceptively quick and strong.

Who will play where in the future time will tell but if Ireland want to be a top team then we need at least 3 top players in every position and it looks like in some positions that is a real possibility.

[rodders]

JJ is special. Really special. Think the very same of Felix Jones. Natural footballers, with a Pro attitude. I wish them both an injury-free run for the next few years, because post-BOD lads, they will make the differ.


I know these things.

Aye but you also think McFadden is a top class 12 which kind of undermines your good work..... ......

[ME-109]

One thing that struck me this evening was Zebo when he came on..the guy looked like he was having a ball and wanted to enjoy himself....more of that attitude wouldn't go astray

[Rory_Gallagher]

We are incredibly lucky to have so many talented 10s over the next few years, that will be the real battle. Sexton, Madigan, Jackson and Hanrahan. I have a feeling that Hanrahan is going to win that one though, as Madigan will always play second fiddle while Sexton is there, and Hanrahan may start for Munster fairly soon.

[rodders]

One thing that struck me this evening was Zebo when he came on..the guy looked like he was having a ball and wanted to enjoy himself....more of that attitude wouldn't go astray

Gilroy on one wing and Zebo on the other....teams will fear us again if we get the right midfield to put these guys into space......

[MrsP]

where has mrs p gone. i know she hates it when people start talking sense on here, it goes against her preconceptions.

dont worry i can stop being positive about ulster players if you prefer...

Sorry DOD. Had to go and have a wee lie down there.

The shock was nearly too much. I would think it has killed a man of Gobby's age. Too much for his coronary arteries.

And what on earth could have given you that idea? Certainly not evidence as I'm not sure those circumstances have occured before!

[LeinsterFan4life]

We are incredibly lucky to have so many talented 10s over the next few years, that will be the real battle. Sexton, Madigan, Jackson and Hanrahan. I have a feeling that Hanrahan is going to win that one though, as Madigan will always play second fiddle while Sexton is there, and Hanrahan may start for Munster fairly soon.

Madigan at 12 is a possiblity too. I wonder though if he even wants to play there

[WillyGilly]

So we've established then we'd rather have anyone at 12 than D'arcy? Anybody here have declan's email or mutual friends on Facebook?

[LeinsterFan4life]

So we've established then we'd rather have anyone at 12 than D'arcy? Anybody here have declan's email or mutual friends on Facebook?

For Ireland ye. Id still have him at 12 for Leinster.

[Notch]

Marshall was neat, ran good limes and was hungry for the ball...
Madigan must oust J S first as must Marshall with Wallace and Gilroy with bowe..

I think Gilroy will take Trimbles place, but realistically the three will rotate a lot in the Pro12. They will aget lots of gametime. Marshall overtaking Wallace is just a question of when, not if. Not only does he have the handling and kicking skills of a young Paddy Wallace, he's faster and stronger. Just needs a wee bit of experience. I would like to see how he handles the much more

At the start of the season we were missing Pienaar and Jackson was just off the back of a difficult Heineken Cup final. Wallaces experience was key. Still is, but with Jackson settling at and Pienaar back in situ it's all on for the 12 shirt. Wallace needs to respond with a good performance in Italy tomorrow.

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

Why are people obsessing about Hanranhan's size? What about practically all the most talented footballers in the Australian backline? None of them are big. If Ireland managed to hide the fact that ROG couldn't tackle for the better part of a decade an still managed to be an excellent player for us, then Hanrahan will be grand. Plus, he can tackle perfectly well. We don't need cookie cutter 12's like Wales or whoever else use. What is good for one nation mightn't suit us. If Marshall, Hanrahan or whoever is an effective 12 then play him and play to their strengths.

[LeinsterFan4life]

Why are people obsessing about Hanranhan's size? What about practically all the most talented footballers in the Australian backline? None of them are big. If Ireland managed to hide the fact that ROG couldn't tackle for the better part of a decade an still managed to be an excellent player for us, then Hanrahan will be grand. Plus, he can tackle perfectly well. We don't need cookie cutter 12's like Wales or whoever else use. What is good for one nation mightn't suit us. If Marshall, Hanrahan or whoever is an effective 12 then play him and play to their strengths.

Marshall definately isn't small his legs are huge. I agree with you both Madigan and JJ can tackle perfectly fine.

[Notch]

Hanrahan just a question of where he plays better, 10 or 12. I think he's ridiculously talented. Could be either. Marshall is a definite 12, Jackson a definite 10. Madigan at 10.

Man, we have such a great generation of backs coming through. Its mouthwatering. We NEED to get a good attack coach at international level.

[Standulstermen]

In the modern game size is much more of an issue.

It isnt the be all and end all but it is a big factor.

Roberts, Barritt, Nonu, SBW, JDV etc are all big units. as i mentioned it isnt about JJ being weak in the tackle but the effect that tackling someone that much bigger than you (again and again) can have on the body.

Its irrelevant at the minute anyway. JJ will be brilliant no matter what position he comes through at. If i was his coach though i would be steering him towards 10 and he would be getting a good few Pro12 starts there this season.

You mention Australia and they arent big but when you consider their centres were scapegoated as lightweights for the irish defeat it is an issue. McCabe has since made a good fist of the position but the first thing a 12 must be able to handle is the physicality.

[ME-109]

Why are people obsessing about Hanranhan's size? What about practically all the most talented footballers in the Australian backline? None of them are big. If Ireland managed to hide the fact that ROG couldn't tackle for the better part of a decade an still managed to be an excellent player for us, then Hanrahan will be grand. Plus, he can tackle perfectly well. We don't need cookie cutter 12's like Wales or whoever else use. What is good for one nation mightn't suit us. If Marshall, Hanrahan or whoever is an effective 12 then play him and play to their strengths.

I agree (did I really say that)..think Tim Horan ...he always looks like he has time...however it does appear as if he is being groomed as an oh

[Rory_Gallagher]

The reason I now think that Hanrahan would be wasted anywhere other than 10, is that he is the smartest kicker of all the other options IMO. He needs to be given the reigns at 10. Plus he seems to have the attacking instinct of Madigan and Sexton to back it up.

[Gibson]

Too true.

[rodders]

There's tackling at there is tackling. Twice in a row we have been beaten off the park by a Wales side playing a very direct brand of rugby that we couldn't deal with but one Australia, Argentina and now Samoa have found the antidote to....

No matter who you pick, big or small, you need to win the gain line battle in defense and attack.

Our current side aren't doing that against the top sides and any new players we bring in won't have much impact unless they help form a unit and game plan which can create things going forward and stop the opposition in a way our established side are currently struggling to do.

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

In the modern game size is much more of an issue.

It isnt the be all and end all but it is a big factor.

Roberts, Barritt, Nonu, SBW, JDV etc are all big units. as i mentioned it isnt about JJ being weak in the tackle but the effect that tackling someone that much bigger than you (again and again) can have on the body.

Its irrelevant at the minute anyway. JJ will be brilliant no matter what position he comes through at. If i was his coach though i would be steering him towards 10 and he would be getting a good few Pro12 starts there this season.

You mention Australia and they arent big but when you consider their centres were scapegoated as lightweights for the irish defeat it is an issue. McCabe has since made a good fist of the position but the first thing a 12 must be able to handle is the physicality.

True to an extent Notch. That said Nonu and SBW may be big lads, but they are actually pretty talented footballers. Roberts, Barritt and de Villiers? Not so much. That doesn't mean they can't be effective. But we don't have a 12 like that so it is lunacy to try and play that way. We might have a potentially small backline in the next few years, but they will all be good footballers. I'd rather have a team that may lack in size but can think their way around a game than say, oh I don't know, Wales. There is one footballer in that whole backline. The rest are lumps. Plan A was effective, and they have been found out. They don't have a brain cell amongst them to think of a plan B let alone implement it.

I thought the Australian press scapegoated their terrible pack for the defeat? When they don't have practically a whole backline injured there's a reason they are the only team that can live with the All Blacks. All footballers. We have scant resources. We need a coach that can look at the talent we have and make the most of their abilities. Kidney doesn't do that. He has a way of playing and no alternatives.

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

There's tackling at there is tackling. Twice in a row we have been beaten off the park by a Wales side playing a very direct brand of rugby that we couldn't deal with but one Australia, Argentina and now Samoa have found the antidote to....

No matter who you pick, big or small, you need to win the gain line battle in defense and attack.

Our current side aren't doing that against the top sides and any new players we bring in won't have much impact unless they help form a unit and game plan which can create things going forward and stop the opposition in a way our established side are currently struggling to do.

Totally agree. We haven't got a physical enough team to go toe to toe with other physical teams. Kidney doesn't pick the players or the brand of rugby that plays to the strengths of our players to produce an alternative. I said last season Wales were limited. I was right then and right now, contrary to the god awful WUMnes of the Welsh threads. Who have they beaten in the last three seasons? An Ireland in decline and a shambolic France.

Even we have beaten Australia. England beat them twice. Scotland beat them twice. For God's sake lads, SCOTLAND.

No thinkers, no footballers. We need to think alternatively about our team.

[Gibson]

In the modern game size is much more of an issue.

It isnt the be all and end all but it is a big factor.

Roberts, Barritt, Nonu, SBW, JDV etc are all big units. as i mentioned it isnt about JJ being weak in the tackle but the effect that tackling someone that much bigger than you (again and again) can have on the body.

Its irrelevant at the minute anyway. JJ will be brilliant no matter what position he comes through at. If i was his coach though i would be steering him towards 10 and he would be getting a good few Pro12 starts there this season.

You mention Australia and they arent big but when you consider their centres were scapegoated as lightweights for the irish defeat it is an issue. McCabe has since made a good fist of the position but the first thing a 12 must be able to handle is the physicality.

True to an extent Notch. That said Nonu and SBW may be big lads, but they are actually pretty talented footballers. Roberts, Barritt and de Villiers? Not so much. That doesn't mean they can't be effective. But we don't have a 12 like that so it is lunacy to try and play that way. We might have a potentially small backline in the next few years, but they will all be good footballers. I'd rather have a team that may lack in size but can think their way around a game than say, oh I don't know, Wales. There is on footballer in that whole backline. The rest are lumps. Plan A was effective, and they have been found out. They don't have a brain cell amongst them to think of a plan B let alone implement it.

I thought the Australian press scapegoated their terrible pack for the defeat? When they don't have practically a whole backline injured there's a reason they are the only team that can live with the All Blacks. All footballers. We have scant resources. We need a coach that can look at the talent we have and make the most of their abilities. Kidney doesn't do that. He has a way of playing and no alternatives.

That's an excellent post. We need a team choc-full of excellent, intelligent, game-changing, decision-making - footballers, who play to their strengths and in unison. Shortarses or not. BOD is a short-arse. Go figure. And with a coach who knows how to get them there. Please Santa. Please?

It ain't the Meat... its the Motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPeQyT36Tg

[rodders]

Well Wales are limited in so much as they don't have a plan b.... but unlike us they have an effective plan a....

When you have 4 or 5 big powerful 3/4s with pace and good footballing ability then that is pretty hard for opponents to stop.

However if like Australia. Argentina and Samoa you smash the primary and secondary carriers on the gainline, usually North or Roberts, they loose the momentum from the attack.

By contrast our back peddling and passive defense has allowed these guys to tear us to pieces.

Honestly if we played Wales tomorrow I'd expect more of the same with the same players despite how ordinary Argentina and Samoa have made them look.

[ME-109]

Before hook and others go off on (its the coaches fault , yawn)...the fact is the teams that beat us regularly are those that outmuscle us in certain areas. The leinster blueprint was found out by wales/osprey and even during the halcyon days of Munster the French teams had us sussed big time...

Hard to say what the solution is but the problem still remains

[Gibson]

Wales have never met the Leinster Way Model. NZ did in the 2nd Test. We had them. In their own feicin house man.

There is a Bogger in control of our National team. As for O's? They have never met us in the HC. We'd ate them alive.

No offence to delusional PRO12, O's fans like.

We are Leinster. We are the best side Europe has ever seen.

SOB & Fitz are back next week...

Believe.

[tecphobe]

Before hook and others go off on (its the coaches fault , yawn)...the fact is the teams that beat us regularly are those that outmuscle us in certain areas. The leinster blueprint was found out by wales/osprey and even during the halcyon days of Munster the French teams had us sussed big time...

Hard to say what the solution is but the problem still remains

An ofloading game moving the ball away quickly from the tackle area. In defence particulalry against wales a really strong blitz from out to in

[ME-109]

Before hook and others go off on (its the coaches fault , yawn)...the fact is the teams that beat us regularly are those that outmuscle us in certain areas. The leinster blueprint was found out by wales/osprey and even during the halcyon days of Munster the French teams had us sussed big time...

Hard to say what the solution is but the problem still remains

An ofloading game moving the ball away quickly from the tackle area. In defence particulalry against wales a really strong blitz from out to in

Just like basketball...you write it up on the board and its bound to happen...no? Just don't worryabout the opposition capabilities..

[rodders]

You are right DOD the Ospreys did find a way to shut down Leinsters attacking gameplan using the blitz defence, and getting the edge in the scrum but most teams, including Clermont haven't been able to do the same. SOB is the key carrier for Leinster and has been missing in most of those occaisions. Leinster do have that plan B from the bench with that home team/away team thing they do.... with a full deck they have most of their bases covered.

There is a solution to beating the likes of Wales but we haven't been able to do it with the players we've picked.

[rodders]

SOB & Fitz are back next week...

Believe.

Great news, the Rabo KO stages wouldn't be the same without you guys there. Keep the peckers up lads

[profitius]

I think the team tonight gave a taste of things to come. It was all the more impressive taking into account the rain.

Regarding the 12, it could come down to horses for courses selection. I was delighted to see Luke Marshall play so well tonight because hes the sort of 12 I like. A ball player, with a brain who is physical too. A big Paddy Wallace. Its all well in theory having big players but unless they are talented they're no use unless theres a gameplan there that suits their style. These days defenses are watertight and I think you need some intelligence to break down defenses instead of brute force.

[Gibson]

You are right DOD the Ospreys did find a way to shut down Leinsters attacking gameplan using the blitz defence, and getting the edge in the scrum but most teams, including Clermont haven't been able to do the same. SOB is the key carrier for Leinster and has been missing in most of those occaisions. Leinster do have that plan B from the bench with that home team/away team thing they do.... with a full deck they have most of their bases covered.

There is a solution to beating the likes of Wales but we haven't been able to do it with the players we've picked.

With respect Rodders... Bollox.

Leinster and O's, have had a good battle in the PRO12. They won the Grand Final, twice, in our shop. Pishes me off. But, if we had to do them at the RDS, when it really mattered, in the HC? With a TBP?

Yes. We'd ate them, when in the HC Zone.

[ME-109]

However rodders in the wc QF we had our very best players and what happened was Wales stopped us at source. Its not just Ireland but Irish teams that have been sussed out.

Re Clermont..they are on a quest and god help.anyone who gets in their way this year

[tecphobe]

Before hook and others go off on (its the coaches fault , yawn)...the fact is the teams that beat us regularly are those that outmuscle us in certain areas. The leinster blueprint was found out by wales/osprey and even during the halcyon days of Munster the French teams had us sussed big time...

Hard to say what the solution is but the problem still remains

An ofloading game moving the ball away quickly from the tackle area. In defence particulalry against wales a really strong blitz from out to in

Just like basketball...you write it up on the board and its bound to happen...no? Just don't worryabout the opposition capabilities..

Well it was a suggestion you know trying something different Ireland rather than what we have tried before. If your getting battered at the breakdown or the collision you avoid them as much as possible its smart rugby and i do think we have the players for it.

[LeinsterFan4life]

However rodders in the wc QF we had our very best players and what happened was Wales stopped us at source. Its not just Ireland but Irish teams that have been sussed out.

Re Clermont..they are on a quest and god help.anyone who gets in their way this year

Its pretty easy to suss Ireland out under Kidney though. There is just no imagination in our attack whatsoever.

[ME-109]

You are right DOD the Ospreys did find a way to shut down Leinsters attacking gameplan using the blitz defence, and getting the edge in the scrum but most teams, including Clermont haven't been able to do the same. SOB is the key carrier for Leinster and has been missing in most of those occaisions. Leinster do have that plan B from the bench with that home team/away team thing they do.... with a full deck they have most of their bases covered.

There is a solution to beating the likes of Wales but we haven't been able to do it with the players we've picked.

With respect Rodders... Bollox.

Leinster and O's, have had a good battle in the PRO12. They won the Grand Final, twice, in our shop. Pishes me off. But, if we had to do them at the RDS, when it really mattered, in the HC? With a TBP?

Yes. We'd ate them.

Just to note Gibson is now past his bedtime and needs his meds..he ignores the fact that they really wanted it this year and lost...lucky they haven't met the o"s on the hc

[tecphobe]

However rodders in the wc QF we had our very best players and what happened was Wales stopped us at source. Its not just Ireland but Irish teams that have been sussed out.

Re Clermont..they are on a quest and god help.anyone who gets in their way this year

Its pretty easy to suss Ireland out under Kidney though. There is just no imagination in our attack whatsoever.

indeed hence why i suggested an ofloading game

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

Before hook and others go off on (its the coaches fault , yawn)...the fact is the teams that beat us regularly are those that outmuscle us in certain areas. The leinster blueprint was found out by wales/osprey and even during the halcyon days of Munster the French teams had us sussed big time...

Hard to say what the solution is but the problem still remains

Sorry DOD, you have missed the point here. I have said that you have to look at the capabilities of your players and fit a tactical gamplan around them. Kidney's Munster team had the physical pack to compete with anyone in Europe. He is still trying to play that game with a pack that isn't up to the task. Ferris and O'Brien are all well and good in the loose, but in tight quarters, in a physical game at the breakdown they aren't a patch on Wallace and Quinlan. For a start this Irish squad don't have the pack to play the Kidney way. There's no possible combination of players to do it. What Ireland need to do is to avoid in attack taking the ball into ruck after ruck. We need a quicker offloading game to do that, but Kidney simply doesn't advocate it. There's a reason why Ferris is effective for Ulster. He plays at 7. Theres a reason why O'Brien was at his most effective when Jennings played at 7 for Leinster. Add Jennings or Henry to Kidney style pack and they are not going to excel as they do in a gameplan that suits them.

If Kidney really want to pick the best team to play the tactics he wants then he needs the players to do it. Therefore Paddy Wallace, Darcy, McFadden, Marshall, all entirely useless at 12. He needs to pick Downey. A limited, average player, but he would be more effective in that role. He also needs a scrumhalf with a fast, relatively accurate pass to be able to release a backline and hit them on the counterattack. That player isn't Connor Murray. He needs a 10 who can relieve his team in defence with an astute kicking game. That isn''t Johnny Sexton.

So if you have tactics, pick your players to suit it. Or, look at your players, look at the strengths and play to them. Kidney does neither. That doesn't mean you will win every match. Like the current Leinster, or Kidney's Munster you might lose matches. But you will win more than you lose, and you will invariably win the big ones. Just like Leinster and Munster. Not like Ireland.

[rodders]

However rodders in the wc QF we had our very best players and what happened was Wales stopped us at source. Its not just Ireland but Irish teams that have been sussed out.

Re Clermont..they are on a quest and god help.anyone who gets in their way this year

Its pretty easy to suss Ireland out under Kidney though. There is just no imagination in our attack whatsoever.

Ireland are a poor mans Munster, in much the way Ulster are a poor mans SA...Ospreys who a poor mans Wales still have the edge over Leinster who are a poor mans NZ and a rich mans Ireland.

[ME-109]

However rodders in the wc QF we had our very best players and what happened was Wales stopped us at source. Its not just Ireland but Irish teams that have been sussed out.

Re Clermont..they are on a quest and god help.anyone who gets in their way this year

Its pretty easy to suss Ireland out under Kidney though. There is just no imagination in our attack whatsoever.

I don't disagree that we need something new, I do disagree with the idea its all kidneys fault.

[ME-109]

Ah jeez hook that's to long for this time, couldn't you wait until the morning

[Hookisms and Hyperbole]

Ah jeez hook that's to long for this time, couldn't you wait until the morning

My wife always says that to me. Length is my curse.

[rodders]

I agree with Hookie on this....but don't necessarily disagree with DOD or Gibbo...most of all though I feel I am 100% spot on on this one.

Night all .

[ME-109]

Ah jeez hook that's to long for this time, couldn't you wait until the morning

My wife always says that to me. Length is my curse.

Like I said..you need to wait until the morning

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