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Breaking News: Sale Sharks go into the top 4 for the first time this season after beating Worcester Warriors at home.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 6:57 pm

Wallace was great last week. And was decent in AP final.

If he overtakes in 18 months with a total self destruction a la Cips I'll be shocked.

Ford a much much better prospect for me. But I suspect you and others may think the complete opposite.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:01 pm

Ford looks ok but really don't see anything that special about him. He's still a youngster I guess but if I'd never heard of him I'd wonder what the fuss was about because he's normally average to poor when I see him.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:05 pm

I don't see all that much of Ford as I don't usually go out my way to watch Leicester, but he attacks the line well, kicks from hand well and doesn't shirk his tackles.

Perhaps the Paddy Jackson of HC final is stuck in my head but I've seen very little to suspect he could step up to the plate in HC knockouts or Internationals.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

Jackson has been decent this year but no where near Sexton. Needs to improve the defence and goal kicking big time if he wants to make it internationally

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:10 pm

I'm not so sure Johnny, I think Jackson is improving all the time. If he keeps it up Sexton will have a serious battle on his hands.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:14 pm

Dowson having a good game. Reputation will struggle due to his failure at international level. But for every Dowson their is a Robshaw

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:15 pm

Hes come on with his game management but defensively and kicking wise I havn't seen any improvement yet. Needs to step up massively to ususp Sexton in the next 18 months!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:17 pm

The one knocking of Sexton is he's just never brought his club form onto the Int stage. If Jackson gets a chance and takes it, Sexton might not get back in.

I've not seen Jackson have any issues with defence tbh

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:28 pm

He's being pigeonholed because of his size. Very good defender.

Can't believe they have took him off! Pienaar has had a nightmare.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:30 pm

They've taken him off because he is less than half the player Pienaar is

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:32 pm

Even though Pienaar is having the nightmare?

Be different if he was in your academy i bet Steve ;-)
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:32 pm

Mujati so destructive

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:35 pm

I'd still take PDJ over him , Mujati seems to have got a bit fat of late.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:36 pm

I'd go for Mujati, although PDJ was pretty good tonight. Haywood has played well. Wood been quiet, Henry been great

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:36 pm

Havent seen Ireland in the AIs so. Sexton was bang in form playing on the gain line. First time Kidney has let him play flat. Can't blame him for the Irish game plan over the last two years and even then hes always one of Irelands best players

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:36 pm

Mujati took a bit of a hammering last week, PDJ has sured it up
a bit. Mujati won't like getting dropped

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:38 pm

Waller has the makings of a fine prop. Giving Afoa a nightmare (although Court getting marched back not helping. Being fresh as a prop must make a big difference)

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:38 pm

Think PDJ is slightly the better scrummager but Mujati stronger around the park. Horses for courses really

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:39 pm

Absolute brilliance from Jamie Elliot. That is the best bit of defence Ive seen for a long long time.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:41 pm

Maybe Johnny, not so sure.

Good for Ireland though going forward.

Yea I'd agree on that regarding Mujati, PDJ. Pretty close standard

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:44 pm

Myler a great 10 in his own half. If you could bring on Lamb every time they are in the oppo half their issues would be solved.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:45 pm

Lamb has been awful this season, Saints really need a 10

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:46 pm

looks a bad injury for Bowe that

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:49 pm

What's happened to Foden this season??

Never see him make a break, so easy to read as he only runs straight and doesn't kick much. He's really dropped off

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:50 pm

If saints went with Roberts at 9 they would be a much better attacking team.

Dickons servise is slower than me nan
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:57 pm

Waller murdering Afoa, didn't see that one coming

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 15 Dec 2012, 7:58 pm

That is garbage Driver. Absolute Garbage.

Waller looks tasty. Afoa a combination of fatigue and Mujati's dominance over Ulster Loosehead I suspect. Still takes a good prop to take advantage of it.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:00 pm

Yea agree Steve. Afoa has put a shift in, hard to be dominant for full 80 against new props.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:02 pm

Foden made 3/4 lovely breaks today. Left 3/4 players for dead on 1 in the first half. Only Bowe made more yards in that game

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:04 pm

Really Steve? He wasnt offered a new deal at Newcastle because his pass was soooo slow.

Hall Charlton was ahead of him up there and his service was average at best
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:07 pm

Sorry Driver couldn't disagree more. Dickson is key to Saints. They play so much better when hes at 9. Roberts is a good scrumhalf but Dickson is the perfect fit for the way Saints play the game. Bosses that pack around all game long

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:07 pm

Foden looks half the player from previous seasons, just looks so predictable.

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:10 pm

Shout and scream as much as he wants but its no good if he cant pass
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:12 pm

I do like Roberts, brings a better service but agree with Johnny that Dickson is good when forwards on top as he directs well.

It's always been the thing that's stopped Dickson fully kicking on to next level, good AP player but can be found out a little.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:19 pm

Oh agree he can be found out a little. Not in Cares/Youngs level but hes a very good scrummy. Can do a job internationally as we saw last year but will never be a top scrumhalf. The sort of scrumhalf that will always get the best out of his forwards

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:22 pm

What's happened to Spencer Johnny? Looked a natural in the Saxons, not seen him much lately

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:22 pm

I dont think so, hes always been behind a good pack even when at falcons he had a good pack
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:39 pm

Stuck behind Wiggles & De Kock. Getting a bit of gametime but not an awful lot. Got a lucky break last year with the injury problems Sarries had. Great kicking game and decent service but only a young fella. Fits the Sarries style perfectly but will have to wait his time

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:46 pm

We have some serious depth at scrum half and some real talent coming through.

Youngs, Care

Dickson, K Dickson, Wiggles

Then youngsters like Spencer & Robson etc.

Shame Simpson has never really kicked on, he has serious gas but a terrible basic game, he'd much better suited to the wing imo

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:48 pm

I think at times Joe Simpson would be more suited to a running track myself.

It's all well and good having bags of pace but i couldn't see him jinking past some one in the way Christian Wade would.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:53 pm

Yea true, Wade looks a real prospect. I thought he may have been figured out a bit but he's still playing well. Needs to be tested at a higher level like the HC but he'll probably need to move clubs to get that.

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Post by Driver Sat 15 Dec 2012, 8:57 pm

Aii , Just seems to have a bit of X-factor about him when he has the ball.

Would be a revelation at a French club side like Clermount or Toulon. Probs get in Tigers side as Genova seems to have dropped off.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:00 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2248767/Jonathan-Joseph-lined-Bath-move.html

Another Joseph to Bath article.

Be a sidestep really, Bath seem to suck the life out of anybody who moves there. Can't think of a player who's actually kicked on they've signed.

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Post by Fluxy Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:04 am

Louw has been pretty good, and Donald is hitting form now. Other than that you could make a case for Eastmond

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:12 am

Louw was good before, not seen anything from Donald. He's better than last season but you couldn't have got much worse. How is that lad an AB I'll never know.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:22 am

Dickson's service top notch for me. On Basics alone he starts for England, but he doesn't have the running which people crave. Remember Healey saying he has the World's best pass from 9 (for me Smith, Parra and Genia on a different planet when it comes to that) but Healey knows his stuff about playing 9.

I've said this before but if you don't rate Dickson that's fine but if you don't see his importance to Saints then you've got to watch Saints closer. Eg Watch them last week then this. Then you'll see the difference.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:03 pm

I've heard Healy say the same about Spencer at Sarries Steve, he talks a fair amount of rubbish tbh.

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:10 pm

I've been holding off playing him too much but he seems to be getting noticed now...what are people's thought's on me starting Eli Walker?
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:15 pm

See no difference between him and Wade/Eastmond Prop. Hes been very very good for the Ospreys this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 16 Dec 2012, 12:20 pm

Looks good Prop, tortured Huget yesterday and I like Huget

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