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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	12	11	0	1	305	248	+57	33	22	0	1	45
2	Harlequins	12	9	0	3	304	276	+28	33	28	1	3	40
3	Newcastle Falcons	12	9	0	3	302	270	+32	31	22	0	3	39
4	Sale Sharks	12	7	0	5	304	280	+24	33	27	1	5	34
5	Northampton Saints	12	6	1	5	311	284	+27	34	28	2	5	33
6	London Irish	12	6	0	6	301	293	+8	32	30	2	6	32
7	Gloucester	12	6	0	6	289	290	-1	31	31	0	4	28
8	London Welsh	12	5	1	6	273	266	+7	28	24	0	6	28
9	Bath Rugby	12	5	0	7	277	293	-16	25	32	0	5	25
10	London Wasps	12	2	0	10	247	294	-47	21	33	0	8	16
11	Worcester Warriors	12	2	1	9	252	308	-56	21	33	0	4	14
12	Saracens	12	2	1	9	248	311	-63	21	34	0	4	14

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Steven_Sharks Sat 22 Dec - 15:03

He didnt come out of Toulon game so well

by prop_lyd Sat 22 Dec - 15:05

What's Heathcote done wrong not to come on of Donald??!!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 15:15

Why's he not starting never mind coming on!

by Steven_Sharks Sat 22 Dec - 15:25

Marler and JJ (inparticular) have just ruined Tonga and PDJ in the first scrum!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 15:30

Be a good game this one, JJ won the hit there. Will be a good contest

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 15:35

Tactics for me are a big part, and if we go down the route of no tactics and everyone predicting solely on names then I'll be out.

nick, would be a real shame to lose you as one of the originals mate, nothing we can say to change your mind?

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 15:41

Can't play that much, you gave me a defeat Wink

I'm not reading them anymore, just going to predo off teams.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 15:48

Fodens kicking not good, always been his big weakness

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 15:55

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Can't play that much, you gave me a defeat

I'm not reading them anymore, just going to predo off teams.

As I think others have said, Mat's tactics don't change, so as a one off went with that, given that he had said he was playing his normal tactics when he posted his team...

anonmattyt wrote:
Chaps my in laws have been flooded majorly in Devon. Having to move everything . No tactics sorry usual big carrying and then move it wide. No idea when next on sorry !

It's clear from predictions and has been for some time, that there are those who take into account tactics and those who don't. That is fine, as it is a fairly even split, and as I have always said, predos are all about opinions and everyone is entitled to their own.

After a long period of stability in the game, it appears we have hit a slightly rocky patch with Arry's recent resignation and now nick going. Hopefully the ship can be steadied and we can continue, but if people feel the game may have run its course then people need to let me know and we can maybe finish it up an potentially start something else with any managers who want to play.

In the meantime, we need to find someone to take over at Irish. Anyone got any suggestions?

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 16:01

Might be time to start something else, be good to gauge opinions.

I think it's getting a little boring. There's not much dealing, mainly due to the 40 limit and a bit the EQ. That was always a big part of the game.

There's the issue of tactical predoing too that Arry raised, hard to eradicate though.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 16:02

Marler struggling against PDJ

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 16:03

I'm not convinced that the 40 limit has that much influence on dealing, more the fact that after 4 and half seasons some teams have a lot of good players and others less so which makes it difficult to find deals that are fair to both teams.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 16:05

Disagree, 40 limit has been a killer for dealing.

Squads are so tight you need a certain number in each position and can't go over in another. I thought it would be an issue tbh.

by Fluxy Sat 22 Dec - 16:07

CJ from the other league would be a great shout for Nick, if he has the time though is another thing.

40 is fine, just I've found that quite a few one here have either stocked up well or even too well and don't want to let some go. And others just expect too much for some players.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 16:09

Fluxy can you have a word with him then mate and see if he wants in?

by dammit_chris Sat 22 Dec - 16:14

Think the 40 limit has made the whole game really competitive, a lot of people seem very happy with their squads now though - I know that a lot of the guys I have I really wouldnt want to let go.

Only issue I have with the game is that Pete always injures my best players, always... bah

by Steven_Sharks Sat 22 Dec - 16:26

I wouldn't stick around if the game was restarted I don't think. I am happy with it as it is and wouldn't have the enthusiasm to build again.

My suggestion would be to vary the number of foreign transfers between sides in the summer. Top 4 get 3, 5-8 get 7 and then unlimited for the clubs from 9-12. I think that would work in evening up some squads.

by dammit_chris Sat 22 Dec - 16:31

Agree with Steve there - think that would be a really good way of doing things, think there was a problem at the start of the game when top clubs got more money than the bottom clubs and that created a big gap, which has been evened up a lot this season.

One part makes it hard is when teams can stock pile top players in key positions, e.g. I've got way too many 12s and sometimes Fofana or de Villiers do not even make the bench.

Great game at the moment. Really enjoy watching Quins and Saints.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 16:38

I'd be up for some kind of restart or major changes.

Possible loss of half of squad & academy and drafted out? Maybe another vote at the end of the season?

Pooling the EQ and giving teams picks could be another, always been the lower clubs problem not having good EQ. If we can give everybody at least 2 top draw EQ would even things a bit.

by CJB Sat 22 Dec - 17:18

I think lack of deals is down to purely us all mainly being happy with our teams. I think we all sign players we rate and when others don't meet the value then you don't sell them.

by Guest Sat 22 Dec - 18:19

Think tactics are important. I lost several of matches to you
For that reason and one of them mentions I would have won if had tactics so important.

Been to watch glos vs Exeter. Close close game. Burns and wood outstanding for us. We murdered there scrum with Exeter th coughing up about 5 Pens to wood

by Guest Sat 22 Dec - 18:23

Burns a bolter for lions. Offers the threat that flood etc don't. He takes it to line so quickly but it's the distribution that's the key. He even tackles well now and and has serious gas.

Exeter amazingly well coached.
Played better wet weather than us but we deserved win

by dammit_chris Sat 22 Dec - 18:35

Would you have him as starting England no10 now then Mat? Always interested to hear what Gloucester fans think of Twelvetrees as saw him mentioning how he would love to play for England next to Burns.

Burns' kicking from hand and gk'ing has impressed me this season - would allow us to keep playing Barritt and Tuilagi in the centres until we can find a really good 12.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 18:50

Burns needs more time with England to be even considered for Lions. Personally don't think he's ready and I'd be surprised if Gatland was considering him.

by LukeLovesLuka Sat 22 Dec - 19:01

Shame to lose nick - one of the best posters on here.

Be gutted to change the game - taken me 2 1/2 years to build my side to what it is now. I'm always up for deals. I think most are. Deals generally come at certain times of the year.

by LukeLovesLuka Sat 22 Dec - 19:03

If nick does leave my suggestion would be appoint within the league. Likes of prop and others deserve a shot with stronger side. Then appoint the other job from outside.

by CJB Sat 22 Dec - 19:05

I'd second that

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 19:05

Good idea Luke, Prop won't be happy leaving his backrow though!

I've PM'd CJ

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 19:12

I was thinking similar reference prop and seeing if he wants the Irish job.

So I am taking from comments that most (except Pooly Wink

)are happy with the way things are, but we can look at the end of the season as to how best to ensure that the teams that finish nearer to the bottom are more competitive next season.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 19:22

Loving the digs lately Pete....bring it on Wink

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 19:25

No dig mate. I asked the question, you've expressed that you'd like some changes, others have said they are happy with things, was merely clarifying where we were at.

Been some good ideas for improvements suggested, including yours of addressing the EQ issue, and we'll stick them all up for a vote at the end of the season.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 22 Dec - 19:30

I dish it out enough so got to take it.

I'll probably call it a day at the end of the season anyway if not sooner. Going to the middle east for 2 tours this year so won't be on for a fair whack, possibly 6 month.

(stop celebrating Matt/Chris)

by dammit_chris Sat 22 Dec - 19:32

Think the changes you made at the start of the season have worked well Pete - all games harder to predo than last year and looks to be a lot more losing BP's.

All I'd say to make the game closer is give the teams that finish bottom first picks on the players in the foreign windows so they get first chance of getting the best players in or first dibs on new EQ players who become available e.g. guys like Ben Botica, or signings from the Championship. Not sure how the latter would work though.

by LukeLovesLuka Sat 22 Dec - 19:35

Don't think anyone who finishes in HC positions should get free players at all. Players like Pisi were in the last draft. Pick up good players there.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 21:36

League table updated. Big result for Sale Sharks, puts them up into 5th in the table.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 21:46

Next weeks match thread is up so everyone has plenty of time to get their team in with it being Christmas week. Very Happy

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 22 Dec - 21:51

Awful shame to see you go Nick!

One thing about the game I'd really like changed is the tactical slagging/voting!

Think the 40 squad limit has evened the league up some what but EQ is the major problem. Theres a gulf in class when you look at the EQ at the top sides and the bottom sides and that will put a limit on where in the league some teams could realistically get to. Think the EQ limits should maybe be lowered for league/europe come the end of the season.

Changing the foreign limits won't help in the short term but long term would improve things. The foreign base took a big hit in the summer. All the big names are gone and a lot of the best prospects are now gone before doing anything at a senior level so hard to find the players that you need to improve

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 22 Dec - 21:54

Delighted with that win Pete! A few Wasps forwards hit some great form in the last 2/3 weeks so thats a big win for me

by Driver Sat 22 Dec - 21:57

Im only off Tuesday and Wednesday!

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 22:09

I'm off Mon, Tues, Weds, but that's only because I've worked this weekend.

Anyone got any suggestions for a new manager if CJ from the other league doesn't fancy it?

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 22 Dec - 22:15

If he has the time Bathite from the other league is a good manager. Reliable, active and always up for a deal! Any of the pub crowd fancy it Pete?

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 22:21

Unlikely mate, none of them really into games. I offered Bathite Wasps and he said he didn't have the time, but might be worth sounding him out again.

by Driver Sat 22 Dec - 22:22

London Irish Ollie is on the other game , just struggles with time as it is.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 22:23

Ollie was one of the originals in this game, had Bath at the start, would happily have any of them back in.

by Driver Sat 22 Dec - 22:27

Quality side as well Irish , Does anyone still speak with Arry , the reason he quit i thought was because with the same team and struggled with it. Might come back with a better side.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 22 Dec - 22:30

I did wonder that as well driver, but when I checked he's not logged into the site since 24th November so am guessing he is gone for good.

by Guest Sat 22 Dec - 23:32

Shame to see nick go. Top lad and knowledgable poster.

Arry to be fair had sale and wasps so can't see him back.

by **Ozzy3213** Sun 23 Dec - 11:27

I've spoken to prop, and he doesn't want to take over Irish, he wants to stick with Worcester and see what he can do with them.

pullthestrings has expressed and interest in the Irish job, but would mean me caretaking over Christmas as he is away. Just waiting for a definite yay or nay from him.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec - 11:34

I could cover Irish if needed?

by prop_lyd Sun 23 Dec - 11:37

You leave my backrow alone Pooly boxing

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