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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

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Breaking News: Sale Sharks go into the top 4 for the first time this season after beating Worcester Warriors at home.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Sun 23 Dec 2012, 12:02 pm

Don't worry Matt I'l still be here to big
Up steffon armitage on a regular basis.

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:14 pm

Shame to see you go fella.


Falcons vs. London Scottish on Sky Sports 3 this afternoon with Ref Cam on trial.
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Post by pullthestrings Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:16 pm

I'm in Pete. Will knock up a page later today OK

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 2:19 pm

About time you where in this game Pull , been on the waiting list long enough Laugh
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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:40 pm

Joel Hodgson ripping this game up. Fielden will be a saxon when we come back up
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:46 pm

Lawson gets showed up even at this level, such poor basics

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:53 pm

Hodgson is coming on nicely, going to be a star

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:57 pm

Smashing them at the Scrum, Shiells is a monster
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 3:59 pm

Bad call on scrum, ref struggling

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:04 pm

Under pressure, thinks if he keeps blowing his whistle people will think his doing his job.

Ref cams a waste of time
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:37 pm

Hodgson looks an International in the making, still only 20 but has a great all round game

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:42 pm

Lads class, kicking better than George Fords
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:48 pm

His place kicking is better than Fords, kicking from hand isn't though.

I'd have Ford ahead but I don't think there's a whole lot in it, Hodgson is really developing being 1st choice whilst Ford isn't kicking on as much as people thought.

Next season will be interesting.

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:50 pm

Seems to be a bit more zip to hodgsons game, plays with his head up.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:52 pm

Young Scott Wilson can really scrummage!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:54 pm

Pennycook poor play, about time he was pulled

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Post by Fluxy Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:55 pm

Whats the score boy?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:56 pm

Billy Vunipola was brilliant for Wasps today. Really was top notch. Important LBP

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:57 pm

Winning 12-9 Flux, awful wind. Scottish have been excellent as has Hodgson

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 4:59 pm

You need a dodgy box....all channels £60 a year Wink

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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 5:01 pm

Why play a load of 'A' team players the one time we're on Sky!

Hueller, Mayhew, Shortland and Higgins are no where near as good as tane, fitzy , york and crockett
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Post by Driver Sun 23 Dec 2012, 5:04 pm

Poor performance, deano will be fuming
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 5:04 pm

Phew....close game. Hodgson motm by a distance.

Scotty Wilson looks outstanding at TH, real big scrummager. Can see why he's in England U20

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 5:32 pm

Steve, Vunipola has been like that for most of the season, improved so much from last year after losing all that weight. Dae Young really rates him as Haskell or AJ don't get a look in at no8, Lancaster must be having a look at him now.

We just need to improve our front row and we'll be a top 4 team if we avoid injuries.

Simpson put in another good performance today, new coaching team working very well with the youngsters - really enjoy watching them this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 6:45 pm

You're a way off from being a top 4 side from what I've seen of you Chris, top 6 maybe a bit more realistic.

Billy V is a good carrier but just seems a little brainless, which is kind of key to become a top 8. Still only a youngster though.

Getting regular gametime will help him but he's hardly surrounded by brains in a backrow of Haskell & AJ!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:05 pm

Disagree with being way off from being a top 4 side - only reason we aren't at the moment is Robinson's place kicking - got a lbp in all but one game we've lost where we were outplayed by Saints.

Only issue for me is the front row, as got so many good youngsters coming through - Swainston, Launch, Vunipola, Simpson, Daly and Wade - and we've got some great experience in the side with Haskell, Palmer, Wentzel, Poff, AJ in the pack and then Stephen Jones and Masi in the backline - two great signings, must be great for the youngsters.

We are playing some great rugby, thought it would take the team longer to gel - just need a good hooker and tighthead and avoid injuries!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:30 pm

I'd have you well behind Tigers, Sarries, Quins.

Also behind Gloucester, Exeter and Saints but not as far.

That's from a neutrals view anyway.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:38 pm

In terms of squads we are certainly behind all of those apart from Exeter who are very, very well coached.

If we had a fully fit team and put out our first XV then we wouldn't be far behind any of those - we tend to struggle against Saints though - should have beaten Sarries, Quins and Exeter this season, Robinson's boot is costing us a lot of wins!

Our trouble is that we don't have enough quality throughout the squad, as our 'A' team loses by 15 points a game if we are lucky and that is where other teams get us.

Would say we play some of the best rugby now in the AP, every week we seem to win try of the week. Not bad going when we've had so many new faces in this season.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:42 pm

It's takes more than just 15 players though through the season.

Wasps are no more than mid table imo, about the same level as Bath which is an achievement seen as they spend a lot more than you do.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:47 pm

Wasps could step up to be a real challenger over next few years.

Have some very decent options. Likes of Launch, Wade, Daly all developing will help them.

They and Gloucester look well set to try and break the top 4 this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:52 pm

You think Wasps can leapfrog Saints Steve?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 7:55 pm

Got a chance. Saints are going to go through a transition period and need to get their signings right.

Corbs would be a big signing for them.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:00 pm

Can't see it myself.

With the English lads back I can see Saints putting a run together. Gloucester have an outside chance of 4 but Wasps a long way off for me. Just don't think their h/b combo has got enough about it to see then through the winter. Jones coming back will help them.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:05 pm

Wasps wont leapfrog into the top 4 until we sort out our front row - from 4-15 we are a match for any team in the league and with Wade and Varndell we are always going to score tries.

This year we've also got the power of Launch, Palmer, BV, AJ and Haskell to see us through the winter months and I've been really impressed with Masi as a carrier through the middle. He's surprised me, very classy player. Simpson is a new player this year, really improved his game management, kicking a lot better and not getting himself isolated, pass has improved too - great decision getting in Bracken to coach him.

If we can get a few new additions in the front row and keep Stephen Jones fit and kicking the goals we are top4 team next year - I'd be amazed if Wasps dont qualify for HC this season too, also a good chance in the Amlin.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:09 pm

Simpson more a summer player imo, basics are gash. Passing and box kicking the worst of any starting 9 in prem. Counters that by being dynamite ball in hand though.

You've got a cracking back 5 now though, Masi have gave you some class in the centres too.

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Post by Guest Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:10 pm

Newcastle are in the worst championship league of all time. London Scottish struggled in scrum against cindeford last year.

Just left bristol vs Doncaster and standard abysmal beyond belief. Newcastle have a great coach and best players. Lots of that team would not
Play in prem.

Ford so much better Hodgson. Cannot make any comparisons playing In that league. Very few backs make it
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There. Different in forwards. Some great forwards in champ.

Rob cook was a joke at fb for glos yesterday illustrating the point. May fit again which is amazing

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:16 pm

Scottish are generally regarded as having the strongest scrum in the Champ Matt.

Agree hard to compare Hodgson/Ford but he's coming along nicely and plays ahead of Gopperth. Ford is hardly setting the world alight, he's been poor when I've seen him.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:29 pm

Simpsons box kicking was excellent today. Think that assessment is a little harsh myself pooly. Ball in hand probably the best 9 in europe. So so quick

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:31 pm

Yea he's great attacking the fringes, dire basics though. I still think he'd be a better back 3 player

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:35 pm

be great on the wing

!I like Simpson and I don't think his basics are that bad, but when it goes wrong it goes really wrong.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

Ford hasn't been poor at all, he had one bad game where he forgot his kicking boots, but still won that game for Tigers by setting up a great try. His game management is excellent for someone that young.

Completely agree that his kicking has been well below par, but think that is down to him changing his kicking style, as opposed to being a bad kicker. Slowly getting there.

Also Simpson has come on leaps and bounds with his basics - though think that is also down to playing with a pack that now actually goes forwards and gives him a platform - we went backwards in every scrum last year. In good form this season.

Interesting point about Championship backs not making the grade in the AP - only one that really springs to mind is Matt Hopper, really made that 13 shirt his own at Quins. Can't really think of many others. Gloucester and Quins seem to sign the most Championship players.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

Haha....you're not wrong. When's it right it's not really that right either, very much an individual.

Be a great winger if Davies tried him there.

Basics are really poor, never get near an England jersey unless he dramatically improves. Probably about 8/9th in line now.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:44 pm

Wasps looking a quality side. Nice to see at team full of young English talent. Very excited by Vunipola, chance of a cap in the 6N.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:52 pm

Agree with you about Vunipola - his rugby is nearly as good as his dancing! Really hope he doesnt move to Sarries, think he will do as he seems to be waiting until he can talk to them in the New Year. Really don't like Sarries as a club.

Simpson's form at the moment makes him a top 3 scrum half in the AP - Care for me is the best by some way. He was class against Saints yesterday!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:53 pm

I like Saracens you know. They are just so good at what they do. Be them or Quins for the title this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:57 pm

Simpson top 3 SH in the AP............that's pretty funny.

Care, Dickson, Youngs, Cowan, Robson, Thomas, Wigglesworth.......all on another level.

Simpson is a poor scrummie for me, always has been and always will be.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 8:59 pm

Rate Care highly but he wasn't even that good yesterday, had one of his poorest games.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 9:12 pm

AP player of season so far?

Freddie Burns for me

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 23 Dec 2012, 9:16 pm

Sarries are a very good rugby team - I don't like them as a club though, the way they got Ashton, the way that they play the 'Stand of for Saracens' song at every opportunity.

COmmentators all said Care was brilliant yesterday and could/should have won motm. If that's him having a poor game...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 23 Dec 2012, 9:18 pm

Didn't say he was poor, said it was one of his poorest games for a while.

Him and Dickson had a good battle.

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