Embra v Leinster

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The Leinster squad trained in UCD on Monday afternoon ahead of Friday night's trip to face Edinburgh in Murrayfield in the RaboDirect PRO12 (KO: 7.35pm) with a number of internationals expected to return to the fray... Andrew Conway received a dead leg when competing for a ball in the air during Saturday night's victory over Connacht. It is anticipated that he will be fit to train during the week and available for the trip to Edinburgh. Richardt Strauss is expected to return to the fray over the coming weeks and Shane Jennings, who was a late withdrawal from Saturday's line up due to illness, is expected to return. Jennings could be joined by a number of other Ireland internationals - such as Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip, Sean O'Brien and Jonathan Sexton - who were unavailable last weekend. Kevin McLaughlin, meanwhile, was rested as a precaution after sustaining a shoulder knock against Ulster the previous weekend and is also expected to be in the mix. There are no other fresh injury concerns for the province and the management are hopeful that Ireland trio Luke Fitzgerald, Rob Kearney and Brian O'Driscoll - who continue to make positive strides in their respective rehabilitation programmes - will come into the frame this week ahead of Thursday's lunchtime team announcement. Isa Nacewa is also set to return either this week or next after suffering deep tissue bruising to his arm in the recent Round 4 Heineken Cup clash against ASM Clermont Auvergne. In a further boost, second row Mark Flanagan - who has been unavailable since undergoing a back operation in July - is set to be available for Clontarf in the AIL this weekend away to St. Mary's College.

EDINBURGH:

15: Greig Tonks
14: Dougie Fife
13: Matt Scott
12: Ben Atiga
11: Tim Visser
10: Piers Francis
9: Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN

1: Allan Jacobsen
2: Andy Titterrell
3: Willem Nel
4: Grant Gilchrist
5: Sean Cox
6: Stuart McInally
7: Dimitri Basilaia
8: David Denton

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Steven Lawrie
17: Robin Hislop
18: Geoff Cross
19: Perry Parker
20: Netani Talei
21: Richie Rees
22: James King
23: Sep Visser

LEINSTER:

15: Rob Kearney
14: Fionn Carr
13: Brian O'Driscoll
12: Gordon D'Arcy
11: Luke Fitzgerald
10: Jonathan Sexton
9: Eoin Reddan

1: Cian Healy
2: Sean Cronin
3: Mike Ross
4: Leo Cullen CAPTAIN
5: Devin Toner
6: Kevin McLaughlin
7: Sean O'Brien
8: Jamie Heaslip

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Aaron Dundon
17: Heinke van der Merwe
18: Michael Bent
19: Tom Denton
20: Shane Jennings
21: Isaac Boss
22: Ian Madigan
23: Andrew Conway

Surely he came through the maul? Either way a straight penalty try?? no chance!

Try for Darcy 15-3

Hasn't been much foul play though? Can't think of any warning etc and the yellow on top of the penalty try seems overly harsh

And suddenly the tries start coming.

Being down your No 8 doesn't help though. Silly of Denton. He won't be thanked at half-time.

I take it back - this ref is now my most hated ref!!!

Game over in 3 minutes. Furious!

if its side entry then fair enough the penalty try is given at that point so the taking the man to ground is irrelevant - and anyway he should not be there to make that tackle

He cam through the middle of the maul!!

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

Thats what I thought. I was answering an earlier point tho

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

It didn't look like that from my point of view. I'd like to see it again.

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

From what I saw he rejoined the maul from the middle at the back, worked his way through, the maul broke up a bit and he scragged the guy

I thought he came from the side of the maul rather than through the middle but either way it was a penalty at worst. Never a penalty try and the yellow card was a joke.

He's made a series of quite ridiculous calls tonight affecting both sides.

Pot Hale wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

Agreed, Pot Hale, but I don't think the Edinburgh guys will see it that way - and that's when the ref puts his arm out. After that, Denton scraggs the ball carrier who is detached from the maul and is allowed to take him down? Tough call on pen try imo

Agreed - he's been wrong penalising Leinster in the scrum and was overly harsh for that penalty try and card.

Rabbo refs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scarlets struggling in Ravenhill - 19-3 down.

Glasgow get their third try just before half-time. 27-0. Looks like a bonus point for them.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

Agreed, Pot Hale, but I don't think the Edinburgh guys will see it that way - and that's when the ref puts his arm out. After that, Denton scraggs the ball carrier who is detached from the maul and is allowed to take him down? Tough call on pen try imo

No - he cannot take him down if he has been called for offside / side entry- he is out of the game.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

Agreed, Pot Hale, but I don't think the Edinburgh guys will see it that way - and that's when the ref puts his arm out. After that, Denton scraggs the ball carrier who is detached from the maul and is allowed to take him down? Tough call on pen try imo

McLaughlin was driving in the maul. You could argue that it should have been a yellow and a penalty. But if the penalty was for coming in at side, and then impeding the Leinster maul and preventing try, you could see why the double whammy occurred. Tough, but probably fair.

TJ wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

Agreed, Pot Hale, but I don't think the Edinburgh guys will see it that way - and that's when the ref puts his arm out. After that, Denton scraggs the ball carrier who is detached from the maul and is allowed to take him down? Tough call on pen try imo

No - he cannot take him down if he has been called for offside / side entry- he is out of the game.

But no guaranteed score at that point, so why the pen try? Just trying to understand

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AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

TJ wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:He cam through the middle of the maul!!

He didn't. He went around the back and around to other side and drove in.

Agreed, Pot Hale, but I don't think the Edinburgh guys will see it that way - and that's when the ref puts his arm out. After that, Denton scraggs the ball carrier who is detached from the maul and is allowed to take him down? Tough call on pen try imo

No - he cannot take him down if he has been called for offside / side entry- he is out of the game.

But no guaranteed score at that point, so why the pen try? Just trying to understand

close to the linbe, driving forward. player in illegal position takes him down. preventing probable try

Jeez, the Ospreys are making difficult work for themselves at the Liberty. Still 6-8 incredibly. Biggar and Halagahu have both missed penalties.

Raft of subs for Ospreys to see if they can make a difference.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:Scarlets struggling in Ravenhill - 19-3 down.

Glasgow get their third try just before half-time. 27-0. Looks like a bonus point for them.

Pot, is it not 9-3 over in Ravenhill?

Nope - it's 26 - 3 now. Williams gets over for a second try. Cruising.

Oh aye, my bad!

I'm just scunnered because we were very much in that game and Leinster were there for the taking - one contentious call later and we're 11 points down and game over.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:But no guaranteed score at that point, so why the pen try? Just trying to understand

This is a new thing that's come in over the last few weeks.Refs are very quick to give penalty tries at scrum/maul collapses.Treviso got one v Leicester in the HC and Ulster got one v Leinster last week.It's gone too far imo and why the hell they've introduced this interpretation mid season is beyond me.

Biggar finally gets another one over to take a narrow lead. 9-8.

Tonks really is such a rock at the back - great signing for us

I have no issue with the giving of penalty tries for collapsed scrums and mauls

And where's Atiga gone now?

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:And where's Atiga gone now?

subbed.

Subbed off thank God!

Biggar gets a try and converts it. But back come Zebre for another try. Halagahu gets conversion. 16-15 to Ospreys with five minutes to go.

'mon the Zebras!

Visser looks to have crocked himself

No idea about atiga, perhaps bradley wants a touch more pace in the centres.

Not been Visser's day today...

Visser committed to that one

Visser looks in trouble. Shame, that was his first positive contribution this evening.

Luckily looks OK - just concussion hopefully

funnyExiledScot wrote:No idea about atiga, perhaps bradley wants a touch more pace in the centres.

Fixed that for you, no charge

Wow, quite a drop goal from Francis

Scarlets take the bare look off their scoreline as they get in for a try. 26-10. Ten minutes to play.

DG for the 10 with two first names - who knew!

And even better play from Cox

Not Zebre's night after all. Ospreys scrape home 16-15. Unlucky for the Italians.

See that Glasgow are on the 3 try mark again - will they finally be able to put away teams and get the 4th?

Why are Edinburgh not contesting at the tackle at all?

Ulster have the bonus point with a penalty try 40-10

Trimble notches a third for Ulster. Will they get the bonus point?

Adn they get a penalty try.

Wow!

Our big Georgian has had a good game tonight - very abrasive and aggressive