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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:02 am

quality player. streets ahead of saull. good on the deck but a powerful player also.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:05 am

Looks like you picked up a gem Nick, he's looked good when I've seen him.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:17 am

Good article on Croft - didn't realise how bad his neck injury was!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9778010/England-flanker-Tom-Croft-to-make-Leicester-comeback-after-eight-months-out-with-neck-injury.html

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:19 am

Also did we all agree to 'x' number of words for the limit in tactics, I can never remember what we said that was, so have taken it to be 500 or so?

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Post by stnick88 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:23 am

Yeh I was suprised no-one had him or bidded for him when I did.


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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:29 am

Yeah its 500 give or take a few words Chris

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:45 am

cheers SJE - certainl better than the days of 2,000 word tactic sessions! Used to be like mini-essays! (though I get the feeling mine were more like War & Peace...)

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 04 Jan 2013, 11:05 am

I took a nap part way through yours Chris!
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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 11:31 am

The comment at the bottom of that article will amuse you then pooly. Saull called world class

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 11:52 am

I liked to think of them as 'educational' pieces Prop...

Think Paul Gustard was the same bloke who said that Joel Tomkins was going to be an England international by the 6Nations too.

Wonder who will get in the next squad - from Wasps I'd love to see Vunipola and Simpson back in and if Elliot Daly doesnt make the Saxons I'd be amazed, his game is really coming on.

Do the Saxons still have the Churchill Cup or was that scraped?

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Post by prop_lyd Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:02 pm

I think churchill cup was scapped which is a shame as I enjoyed watching those matches
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Post by stnick88 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:27 pm

Irish team for tomorrow

1 Corbisiero
2 Paice
3 Aulika
4 Skivington
5 Evans
6 Garvey
7 Sinclair
8 Hala'ufia
9 Phibbs
10 Humphreys
11 Yarde
12 Shingler
13 Tagicakibau
14 Joseph
15 Homer

Good side on paper, boosted by Corbs return, but will still struggle against Glos. Don't think we will get smashed but a LBP may be a step too far!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:39 pm

JJ on the wing with Tagi at 13. Interesting

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Post by stnick88 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:41 pm

I think JJ has been missing a lot of tackles recently, and they have probably put JJ out wide to match Sharples pace. I imagine Smith is expecting the likes of Kalafamoni, Qera, Morgan to run the ball a lot and test our defence so Tagi is a bit stronger in that department. Still a bit of an odd call though.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 12:51 pm

Has anyone got Josh Ovens in this game, he's been playing very well for Bath recently and if anyone is short on EQ he's looking a good option - same as Ben Moon the Exeter prop - sure no one has got him.

Looking forward to the Wasps v Bath game this weekend, will be good to watch Daly v Eastmond.

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Post by Fluxy Fri 04 Jan 2013, 2:01 pm

Think you might be alright throwing Benny T in the deep end this week Chris;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgvfdNWFmEo

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 2:10 pm

yeah, he's my kicker! Got 100% record so far.

wanted to get him out there this week to soften up Falcons for next week - rested quite a few of the guys I want to play for next weekend!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 2:14 pm

Good prop Chris, bit raw but a serious talent.

You fancying the HC this year then?

Ovens is well down the pecking at Bath, Mercer is available though and generally gets more game time.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 2:21 pm

Meant Mercer! Think Ovens is on loan at Bristol or somewhere.

League is tough to win unless you finish top2 - my season normally depends on who does well in the 6Nations, as last year I had guys like Fofana, Tuilagi, Ashton, Halfpenny, Foden etc all have strong tournaments and that gave me a good finish.

Hoping for the same again this year, but targetting cups more so than the league I think - put too many people out on loan this season!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 4:12 pm

James Johnstone rumoured to be off to France

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 4:54 pm

Pretty good appointment by Scotland

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/04/england-no8-dean-ryan-scotland

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 5:02 pm

Saints have brought in Alex King

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Post by DHLS07 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 7:06 pm

Never realised that doing predictions would take so long. I started doing them about at about five o'clock. Anyone think Worcester could beat Leicester tonight at Sixways?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 7:46 pm

Fancy a low scorer but think Flood is back so should be the difference.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 04 Jan 2013, 7:53 pm

Tigers rested a few, could be a good game. Be good to see Croft back.

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Post by DHLS07 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 7:57 pm

It's always interesting when players come back from a bad injury to see how they go. Croft's game shouldn't change that much really as he isn't a really attritional forward. Would like to see Worcester win really as I think Richard Hill has put together a tidy little side there who go about their business pretty well.

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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 7:59 pm

Can see Tigers running away with it in final 30.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 04 Jan 2013, 8:29 pm

Looks like Worcester taking control, they'll be well up for this after losing to Sale

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 8:34 pm

Alex King is a great appointment for Saints next year, think he's one of the best attacks coaches in Europe - such a good player as well.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:00 pm

Can't see Tigers being that bad again in the 2nd half.

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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:02 pm

Try before half time was massive , What's happened to Genova? Is he injured?
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:02 pm

Comfortable win for Ulster. Andy Trimble is looking great since the AIs. Ulster really building a squad these days. Pieneer has looked a class above everyone the last few games.

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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:07 pm

Best 9 in the Magners by a country mile.

No Celtic 9 comes near him , bar Phillips when on form. Youngs and Care at there best are probs better attackers.
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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

Matt Kvesic has been great tonight SJE. Been everywhere , very similar to Robshaw
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:11 pm

Hes the best complete scrummie in the NH at the moment for me. He has the game management of Parra/Yach and the attacking game of Care/Youngs. Makes Ulster tick.

Kvesic is having a very strong season. Linked with a move to Tigers/Sarries. Depending on Lions call ups he should tour with England in the Summer

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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:15 pm

Wants to be in consideration for 6Ns at this rate , plays 6 , 7 and 8. More of a brain than Billy V aswell , could be a big player for England.
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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:16 pm

Good player kvesic. Needed to bulk a little. Interesting to see croft. He has usually taken a while to get back to form
After injuries.
Some players come back and pick it up straight away others take a few months.

Martin Johnson used to come back and one game later and then straight in England side others like dallaglio took months

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:17 pm

Billy v will play for
England can't see kvesic doing it unless on a tour when people are not available like this year with lions

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Post by Driver Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:21 pm

Salvi on , Tigers should claim this now.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:21 pm

Cant see Kvesic involved come the 6 nations but come the summer if Wood & Robshaw are gone he deserves to be involved somewhere. Better option then Haskell/Johnson at the moment. Impressed with him and Calum Clark recent months.

Billy V will be involved come the 6 nations as we haven't much at 8 outside Morgan. Waldrom is decent but not isn't good enough if we want to challenge the best sides

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:26 pm

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Cant see Kvesic involved come the 6 nations but come the summer if Wood & Robshaw are gone he deserves to be involved somewhere. Better option then Haskell/Johnson at the moment. Impressed with him and Calum Clark recent months.

Billy V will be involved come the 6 nations as we haven't much at 8 outside Morgan. Waldrom is decent but not isn't good enough if we want to challenge the best sides

Agree 100 % but Haskell and tj will be in front as proven. He will tour as backup

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:32 pm

Oh yeah Haskell and TJ will be the starters but Kvesic should get game time. If he does enough to impress then he should be in the full EPS next year.

Be interested to see if Ashton and one of Foden/Brown tour with the Lions this summer. Would like to see Wade and Eastmond given a chance with England. Wade such an electric runner. Will take some stopping if he can get the outside line. Eastmond not quite as good but still a great runner but is a fantastic playmaker and runs great support lines

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:33 pm

Eastmond needs a few seasons on defence he is all over place. Great step and tracking though

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:43 pm

Eastmonds defence is no worse then Wades positionally and he is a decent tackler straight on coming from league. Reckon hes a better defender then Sharples whos in the EPS.

Think both him and Wade should be brought in early as they look like being our next set of long term wingers for me. Ashton a great tracker but when you arent making line breaks he doesnt offer much

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:46 pm

Toby Flood could be in a bit of trouble after that - really bad tackle that, amazed the 4th official hasnt been used, espc after Matt Smith elbowing. Not a fan of Leicester really.

Kvesvic is a good player, but think he will need to go to a bigger club and get tested in the HC - will be hard to shift Haskell off the England bench as he's playing 6 and 7 at Wasps and can play no8 too.

Eastmond seems to be getting a lot of gametime for Bath at 13 at the moment, Elliot Daly for me is arguably form 13 in the AP - really looking forward to watching those two on Sunday!

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 9:50 pm

Looks like Flood has been taking lessons from Ford with his kicking today - 1 from 5.

Pennell has played really well tonight.

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:13 pm

Good game that. Worcester improving.

Jp Doyle should not ref at ap level. Thought that scrum
Was fine and agree with flatman. It was inevitable.

Flood may be in trouble . Not that bad but maybe a few games out

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 04 Jan 2013, 10:20 pm

Agree with you about JP Doyle Mat, the guy is all but clueless - seen him ref Wasps twice this season and he completely ruined both games.

Can see Flood getting 2-4 weeks for that and Matt Smith could be out for the same time for his elbow on Grove.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 04 Jan 2013, 11:22 pm

Doyle is a terrible ref. Guesses at the scrum and is the idiot who sent Hala'ufia off against London Welsh for a perfectly good tackle.
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Post by Guest Fri 04 Jan 2013, 11:37 pm

That Irish side vs glos looks so much better Corbs back is huge !

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