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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:13 pm

I just think Owens is lightweight at scrums. I prefer Rees although injuries have taken toll slightly

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:18 pm

I think the Lions 2 jersey is wide open to be honest. Best is in pole position at the moment, but if Strauss ousts him from the Ireland jersey that might change. Wales don't know who their first choice is, so all have the opportunity to book a seat on the plane, and if Lancaster shows loyalty to Youngs after the win over New Zealand, and he players well, then Hartley could be in the same position as Best is with Strauss. All to play for as far as I can see.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:34 pm

Best is the only hooker I think is nailed on, can't see Strauss getting ahead of him.

They were talking about this on main boards and none of the other posters from home nations had Hartley as an option, nobody outside of England rate him.

Best, Ford(if he regains a bit of form) and one of Owens, Rees, Youngs seem popular choices.

I really hope Hartley doesn't tour, might shut him up a bit.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:35 pm

Big rumours of N Kennedy to Gloucester

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:38 pm

Where pooly ?

Not a fan but we need a lineout leader. Qera kalamafoni Morgan and savage are great but not lineout specialists.

Morgan surprisingly good at the tail. Even England lift him now

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:46 pm

Main boards and read something earlier. Main board also has Richie Gray linked to Gloucester if Sale go down

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:49 pm

Can't wait for the tigers Toulouse game.
Big football Sunday too.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 7:58 pm

There's Gray

http://m.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/story.html?aid=17891220

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 8:02 pm

Grey would be a dream. I would carry him from sale to Gloucester

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

Good luck with that, he's about 19st!

Gray/Kennedy would be a top summer partnership, lacks a bit of grunt but some work rate

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

It would be savage and gray if we had them. Gray nearer 20 stone I think. Savage a great player for glos. 6 or 4 the new Buxton. Only started playing a few years ago.


Top front jumper and better every week. Gray would be top all round. Kennedy like wentzel all lineout and not much else. That said wentzel is a tremendous defender.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:13 pm

Jj giving barcella a hiding.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:14 pm

JJ just pinged in the scrum and gives Biarritz a pen to close the gap to 1 point.
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Post by prop_lyd Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:16 pm

This ref is shockingly bad, quins all over them at scrum time and the ref is too scared to penalise them. Quins deserve the win simply for the front row dominance....they march a pack backwards 5 yards then end up standing up and concede a penalty?!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:49 pm

Luke Wallace had a fine cameo off the bench. Be shocked if he doesn't come good for you pete. Nick Evans excellent as was Mike Brown. Robshaw quiet and Care has had better games.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:50 pm

Still suspect Quins will struggle to win the tournament with the quality in last 8. Diffcult to look past Clermont, Toulon or Toulouse (never right them off) for me.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:53 pm

prop_lyd wrote:This ref is shockingly bad, quins all over them at scrum time and the ref is too scared to penalise them. Quins deserve the win simply for the front row dominance....they march a pack backwards 5 yards then end up standing up and concede a penalty?!

Exactly prop. Refs so bad at scrums. Quins front row so on top. Never Pens against.they were penalised for being too dominant

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Post by Driver Fri 18 Jan 2013, 9:54 pm

Difficult game to judge players abilities on , more so a judge of temperment and game management. Robshaw put a good shift in. Didn't have to be at his best to come out on top today.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:06 pm

Did Ben Broster start for Biarritz? If so, no wonder they got smashed in the scrum as he's awful.

I can't see Toulouse being a threat this year, they've struggled throughout the season really, especially of late.

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Post by Driver Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:10 pm

Broster got smashed to bits off Marler.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:15 pm

Broster not great but it was Barcella who really struggled. Tbh I didn't think Quins were all that dominant up front. They had the better but Biarritz occasionally got a shove on.

Broster hugely improved in his last season at Wasps to be fair. Was dire until then.

Never right off Toulouse.

1. Steenkamp
2. Botha
3. Johnston
4. Maestri
5. Albacete
6. Dusatoir
7. Nyanga
8. Picamols
9. Burgess/Doussain
10. Mac
11. Clerc
12. Fickou
13. Fritz
14. Huget
15. Poitrenaud

is a side which could win the HC. Put Beaxuis in and it struggles but I like that side.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:19 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:Luke Wallace had a fine cameo off the bench. Be shocked if he doesn't come good for you pete. Nick Evans excellent as was Mike Brown. Robshaw quiet and Care has had better games.

I rate him highly mate. He should get a decent run throgh the 6 Nations to show what he can do.
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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:20 pm

Broster did start. Quins front row a serious unit. Has it all. Athleticism bulk and basics. Also they are quite nasty with marler
And grey dishing it out physically and Jj hitting rucks really hard.

All 3 were excellent.

Agree broster is not great although had a good season before going over. A weird signing apparently on top money.

Barcella could not handle size of JJ who dominated the hit. 2 very big men. Grey a big scrummager and bulky lad these days. I thought Robshaw and fasivalu were decent tonight in awful conditions. It was like that when I went to Biarritz last New Year's Day to watch them. The wind rain and snow really hit Biarritz. That's why lots of their players are great in bad conditions.

Excellent win from Quins who are some outfit. Can't see past clermont myself although they are light depth wise in centres if an injury occurs

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:20 pm

Yea great on paper but they've not been great at all(they'll prop destroy Leicester now)

Didn't watch the game but each time the Biarritz TH(whoever that be) has held their own Barcella has smashed the opposition TH.

Love Barcella, not a more destructive LH about when firing and he's been generally very good this season.

Kohn makes a massive difference to Quins scrum, can see why they've tied him up.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:22 pm

I wouldn't say Gray was a big scrummager Matt, he's also pretty tall and rangy for a hooker.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:23 pm

Wallace i
Never thought much of but pundits loved him universally so I said I must have it wrong.

Last year most pundits were calling for Wallace and Jamie George to get exposure in terms of training with England.

Both not kicked on. I am a huge George fan and hopefully smit leaving will kick him on.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:24 pm

I have watched
Much less t14 this year
Due to being harder to watch. Every time I
Have seen barcella in heino and t14 has been average.


What was that injury the other year. He was simply best ever seen for one season and never came back same.


I thought he would become best ever in his position

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:27 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I wouldn't say Gray was a big scrummager Matt, he's also pretty tall and rangy for a hooker.

He has bulked a lot.
Is he 5 "11 ???
Hookers getting taller. As are most positions

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:28 pm

6 ft 1 and 16 and half stone apparently

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:29 pm

Thougt he had bulked up. Looked wide tonight.

To be fair
Next to
Marler
And Jj easy to look small. I may hang round
With them
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:29 pm

I've seen him have few ok games, usually have been in HC. Been much better in T14 but Biarritz have usually put out better sides in T14.

Seen him totally dominate games, been like a one man team at times. Clermont, Castres games spring to mind.

He's one of my favs, similar with Domingo.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:31 pm

Think Hartley is stone and half heavier than Gray and he's still not huge for a hooker

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:38 pm

Hartley 17st 5 grey. 16-7

17-5
Big for a hooker

Best 16-10

Ford 17-4

Mealamu 16-8

In range. Hartley big for a hooker. He is a lump.



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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:41 pm

BDP at 18 stone is a monster

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:45 pm

Just reading Harinordoquy was awful, that accurate?

I was reading that PSA won't pick him from France if younger player available. Sad send off for a great player.

Best is only short though, 5'11" I think???

Andrew Hore is close to 18st, Gray is only 16st I think??

Hard to believe some of these weights sometimes, sure clubs boost them up. Gray looks quite lightweight but is fast around the park. I'd prefer him to Hartley every day of the week


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:47 pm

BdP looked more than 7lb heavier than Hartley the way he threw him around in SA! I was embarrassed for Hartley after he'd said he was going to smash him.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:53 pm

Gray previously not that big like I said surprised how much he has bulked.
16 and half plus now. Most hookers around 6 ft now.


Hari and many others poor. PSA said Hari picked after first 2 games. Giving him
Chance to get match fit.

Conditions tonight meant nobody excelled really. Also hard in a beaten pack. Biarritz front row so beaten it was untrue. Did not watch all of the match dipped in as I knew it would be attritional.

Great to watch live but not on tv.

Hari been good since back to be fair. Biarritz a weak side now money not around.

So reliant on Hari and yach to win.

So
Many average players In their set up.

Backs in particular so lacking anything and lack of a ten is huge.

Balshaw remarkably good and consistent over there. Been a huge success and ironed out all his defensive faults yet blunted his attacking instincts a little

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:55 pm

Hartley is top player BDP world class in any era.

I know you don't rate Hartley but he is a good player.


Bet he will start for lions if on tour £20 ? You can pick your choice

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:03 pm

You play stocks Matt?

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:12 pm

I have some shares but not that many.

Mainly invest in European stocks that are listed on Euronext. Don't have much in it. Have a few
Groupe Seb shares who own moulinex Etc. worked with them on a project and thought they were
Worth doing.

Leave it to experts is my advice. I don't know
Enough to play the market.

I know
Someone who makes his living spread betting on it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:18 pm

I've got a hot tip.

Mate works in oil industry and has contacts drilling off US coast. The company/share is small but with findings is going to rocket.

I've stuck a cheeky few on it.

Short term can see something around 50-100% gain, longer who knows.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:21 pm

What's the name ?

Groupe Seb are worth investing in. They buy up household brands
Like moulinex etc. they are all middle class home items and in a recession do well.

14% up year on year and European shares
Less invested in so undervalued.

Beats and ISA or any other savings.

Property is my main thing although getting mortgages is difficult and deposits bigger.

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Post by Driver Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:22 pm

Tumbleweed


Stocks..........
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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:23 pm

http://www.groupeseb.com/en-en/share-price-group-seb

Can't fail

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:26 pm

Nostra Terra

Yea I prefer property, I'm just in market for loan property but I'm trying to find a bargain. Estate agents do my nut in so slow going.

Been offered loads of mortgages but looking around 30% for anything decent.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:28 pm

anonmattyt wrote:http://www.groupeseb.com/en-en/share-price-group-seb

Can't fail

10% since Dec, cheeky

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:29 pm

Yeah I have a few but at moment want to buy a few with 10% down. Need 25% to
Make rate worth doing it and renting. At 10% you are at about 4.5% do
Rent does
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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:32 pm

Seb are
Fantastic.
I have placed a product with them that is in most uk retailers and now in
Most European.
It's fuelling a lot of growth and I know they have much better things in pipeline. Put in for a year and then remove as
Undervalued currently but will be bought heavily in next 6 weeks

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:33 pm

You not do interest only?

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Jan 2013, 11:36 pm

No not worth it anymore.always used to but now they want
Active repayment programmes documented.

Looking at Spain, Ireland and other countries in a hole. 10 years time they will not be in the same
Mess and rental buoyant as people can't buy.

To be fair having moved jobs and consulting makes it a git getting funding as not classed as stable


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