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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Tue 22 Jan 2013, 11:34 pm

dammit_chris wrote:I'd add Wood and Lawes into the potential bucket too. We could have the best pack come 2015 - Corbs, Hartley, Cole, Launch, Parling/Lawes, Wood, Robshaw, Morgan/Vunipola.

Do need to settle on a 10-12 combination and find a top class winger, hopefully that will be May, would like to see him get a good run of games together now.

Best young player for me in the AP at the moment is Elliot Daly, he's improved so much this year - hope he gets some Saxons starts.

I would not think lawes or wood would ever be world class. Lawes lacks brains but is a specimen and a proper player . Launchbury may end up 5 with lawes 4.

Wood clever player and a really good all rounder but maybe lacking dynamism. That said his performance vs ab's remarkable.

For every exciting player we have the Sh also has one.

Interesting to see how tufungisi emery pollard Savea Whitelock etc progress with senior contracts this year.





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Post by CJB Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:18 am

For the 6N is it only players in the matchday squad unavailable

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:24 am

No idea.if its like real life it will be only the ones released to play for their clubs officially

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:06 am

Decent player wondered why he was not picked

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3824_8419567,00.html

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:07 am

Fully fit get in !!

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3824_8400181,00.html

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:08 am

More good news for me

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3824_8399950,00.html

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 9:32 am

With S15 I'd be interested to see how Israel Foloa goes - he's got the potential to be a world beater, I'd have gone for him in foreigns but sounds as though he's only going to play union for 2 seasons maximum.

Wonder whether Sam Tomkins will ever come over to union - always enjoy watching him play - he's brother has come on leaps and bounds the last few months too.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 23 Jan 2013, 9:37 am

He better come Chris cost me an arm and a leg!!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:03 am

http://sportsnewsireland.com/rugby/rugby_irish/fifteen-players-long-listed-for-erc-european-rugby-player-of-the-year-2013-01-22/

Parling best lineout operator in Europe.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:16 am

Parling takes all his own ball but does not steal much opposition ball. No idea why.

Borthwick is really good on oppositions ball.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:16 am

Sam Tomkins is much smaller than his brother but must have the skills for union. Such an exciting runner

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:27 am

J Tomkins is poor, how he's a Saxon I'll never know.

Parling is a good reader of opp ball, top lock.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:38 am

J Tomkins has improved quite a bit. Thought he was garbage but have revised my opinion somewhat

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:50 am

Not sure how you can say Joel Tomkins is poor, he's played more games than any other Sarries back and has come on a lot this season.

Sam Tomkins is class, favourite league player - if he came to union it would be brilliant, such a great runner.

Bit more on Callard's comments from yesterday -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/9819671/England-Saxons-coach-Jon-Callard-believes-loan-system-would-stop-starlets-like-George-Ford-having-to-move-on.html

Not sure how it would work, but seems a good idea.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:58 am

Easily Ive just said it.

Playing games does mean he's not poor, never see anything of him in attack at all.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 11:00 am

Love the idea of academy players on bench not counting but fear coaches would use it to waste time. Think loans could work but may have salary cap issues

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:16 pm

I'm not convinced that Tomkins should be in the Saxons just yet, but he's definitely improved from when he arrived at Saracens. He actually runs decent lines in attack when given the chance to do so. If I had a question mark over him it would be over his defensive positioning to be honest.
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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:27 pm

That lovely drift he did to set up a try vs metro away was class and showed an understanding of space. To be fair playing outside Barritt does not help

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Post by DHLS07 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:36 pm

Tomkins has potential, but he's nowhere near the finished article yet. His inclusion smacks of Saracens bias. I don't believe that he would be in the Saxons yet if he played for any other club.

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Post by DHLS07 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:37 pm

I do think in time he could be good enough to fight for an international jersey, but he is not there yet.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:44 pm

Offloading is very good too - just seems to have taken a stupid amount of time to adapt to union. Agree with you about his defensive positioning Pete, he can blooming hit though!

Funny how some league players just cant make it, Wasps signed Lee Smith a few seasons back and big things were expected of him, but couldn't get a game and went from being an international in league to being a bench warmer for Wasps 'A' team.

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Post by DHLS07 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

If anyone is after a tighthead one of mine can leave as I have realised that I have too many. Lionel Nallet, Tim Swinson, Rob Simmons, Ali Williams, Beau Robinson, Lloyd Williams, Will Chudley, Ian Humphreys, Lachie Turner and Rory Lamont can all also leave. I am after getting in a loosehead and a couple of centres.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:57 pm

DHL interesting point with the Sarries bias, though what other 13s would you have had ahead of him? Seem to be giving quite a few ex league players a chance in the Saxons, Eastmond is there too isnt he?

I'm surprised they didn't give Botica a call up, or have another no10 in the training squad as pretty sure that only Ford can play at no10 for them.

One player I am never quite sure on as to why he gets called into the Saxons is Tom Biggs, think he's a good AP player but surely never going to be an international?


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Post by DHLS07 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:01 pm

Thirteens ahead of Tomkins in no particular order

Tuilagi
Joseph
Lowe
Hopper
Trinder
Daly

That is six of them. Tuilagi and Joseph are in the senior EPS, so that leaves four players I would have in the Saxons ahead of him at the moment.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:04 pm

"I'm surprised they didn't give Botica a call up, or have another no10 in the training squad as pretty sure that only Ford can play at no10 for them."

I was reading the other day that Botica isn't EQ, something to do with employment status or something so he's not eligible to be called up.

All of those 13's are much better than Tomkins, such an odd call up.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:08 pm

Think Lowe and Daly are in the Saxons, Daly definitely is.

Is Trinder injured at the moment or playing regularly for Gloucester?

Odd that Hopper isn't included, though get the impression they might have seen enough of him and realised he isn't going to make it as an international.

Personally don't think Tomkins has quite got the turn of pace needed to make it at the highest level, but he'll become a top player for Sarries.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:09 pm

Botica has a UK passport as he lived in the UK for 8 years as a kid.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:16 pm

Lowe is just back isn't he. I think daly is in Saxons ? Am I right.

Trinder also played first game in 5 months on Saturday so choice was limited

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:16 pm

Yes he's got a British passport but I was reading he's not eligible because he didn't spend all of those years in England.

Can't remember the ins and outs but the article said he needed to play the 3 years in England like a Welsh player would need to etc.

I'll see if I can dig it out but pretty sure he's not eligible to play for England.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:20 pm

Poolys on to something there the rules say you have to be living in the country 3 years before a cap can be given. If he hasn't been here 3 years he would be ineligible. The fact he has a British passport means nothing as Britain don't compete internationally

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Post by DHLS07 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:24 pm

Do you not have to have citizenship to obtain a passport? Surely if you have citizenship you are eligible to play?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:29 pm

According to the IRB rules your eligible if

a. You were born there
b. One parent/grandparent born there
c. or 36 months continous residence preceeding the cap

If he doesnt meet one of those he isn't EQ. Citizenship isnt taken into account as surely your a British citizen which would make you eligible for England, Wales, Scotland

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:30 pm

I can't remember the bloody article!

Did his dad play in Wales too? I think you have to play for 3 consecutive years do you not? Either way it said he had a British passport but was EQ as of yet.

He's lived in the UK so that's why he's got a passport, it's not an English passport end of the day. A passport doesn't mean you can play for England, you need a link to that country.

For example I couldn't play for Wales as I have no link but I have a British passport.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 1:40 pm

A reverse example is hendre fourie who played for England yet was going to be deported as he did not have a British passport.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:13 pm

Pretty sure I have a British passport.

I've read quite articles saying he can play for England, he's expressed an interest there too.

Whole thing is bizarre as it seems the rules for playing for a country are completely different to immigration rules - like the Fourie incident.

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Post by Driver Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:20 pm

Can anyone tell me why where trying to push through a Kiwi into a England shirt over someone such as Tom Heathcote who we've now lost to the Jocks.

There's lots of youngsters who are being held back if we cap Botica.

Rob Miller
Tommy Bell
Henry Slade
George Ford (To a extent)
Joel Hodgson

That's 5 off the top of my head
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:22 pm

He can be interested all he wants but if he's not currently EQ he'll have to wait.

I remember reading a piece before the NZ game when he was saying he'd consider playing for England one day but was hoping NZ beat us. Why would we want somebody like that???

He's not even any good, was playing a 2nd tier French rugby for one of the worst sides last year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:23 pm

Nobody has said he's ever likely to be involved Driver, he's miles off a spot and not even EQ.

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Post by stnick88 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:34 pm

hes alright nothing special. long way off int. quality

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:48 pm

He's looked pretty good whenever he's replaced Nick Evans to me. Saw the Sky Sports pundits say the biggest compliment for him over the weekend in that when he comes on for Evans you don't really notice a change in quality.

Do think he is worth having a look at Saxon level to see if he could kick on - not as if we are the only ones who do it!

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:52 pm

Can't play Saxons though as he isn't EQ

Looks a good player done well when hes covered Evans. Quins fans rate him highly but doesn't look international standard yet

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:55 pm

How can he play Saxons? Might as well say lets have a look at Evans

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

From Telegraph

"on came a bustling young Kiwi-born, England-qualified fly-half, Ben Botica, who promptly kicked 18 points and played a full and prominent part in Quins’ impressive 40-13 victory over the Basque side. To the manor born scarcely does his Heineken Cup debut justice."

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:17 pm

Must be true then Wink

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:19 pm

Matt......she's rising Wink

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Post by stnick88 Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:47 pm

Ford to Bath confirmed by Cockerill.

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Post by Guest Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:49 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Matt......she's rising Wink

Up to .58. Keeping the faith pooly

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 4:53 pm

Great signing by Bath - wonder if Donald will be moving on?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 23 Jan 2013, 5:00 pm

Heathcote & Ford, I can see them struggling.

Had a little up at .59 earlier on, I'm going back in when if it goes back down to .55 on bid.

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 23 Jan 2013, 9:50 pm

Possibly the best bit of open field play Toby Flood has done in 2013...

http://www.rugbydump.com/2013/01/2966/midweek-madness-toby-flood-charges-straight-into-the-post

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