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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:35 pm

Louw is more a Meyer type of player. Brussow on fire is a whole different level though, different kind of player but can be a massive game changer.

Will he get back in the fold? No idea

I preferred Brussow from 2009 to anything Pocock has done so far tbh. I've never seen McCaw get outplayed by anyone except Brussow.

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Post by Bathite Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:03 pm

Opinionated! The cheek! I'd be tempted lads, but really don't have the time. Not even watching as much rugby as I used to, so not sure I have the level of knowledge for this one, as most of the established names are already in squads

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Post by Driver Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:04 pm

You'll be fine already got a great team so you won't fall off. Just get teams , tactics and predictions in on time.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:18 am

George Ford to leave Tigers:

http://m.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/story.html?aid=17928917

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:20 am

Great player smith. Brussow only had one good season so needs to prove himself. They have never had burger smith and Brussow all fit and firing at the same time.

The other year burger was touted
As 8 and was told he would play there for WP. Injuries to Brussow and smith made that never happen.

Ford will go to bath or maybe Irish who lack a ten

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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:37 am

Saints also meant to be putting in an offer for Ford, he'd be good there behind their pack, seems to have lost a lot of his confidence this season.

Not entirely sure how much I rate Cockerill as a coach.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:44 am

Not a big fan of Cockerill either Chris. Tigers seem to have gone backwards under him for me. Lost 2 major talents now in as many seasons with 36 going last year.

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Post by stnick88 Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:44 am

Ford won't go to Irish. iHumph is a decent enough 10 and as good as we will get.

Bath reportedly set to sign Garvey, Joseph and Watson. Be pretty f ucked off with that. Garvey and Joseph should be aiming higher than that. Bath arent really much better than us, one of the teams we actually managed to beat this season.

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:57 am

Saints would be a great club for him

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:58 am

Are Irish close to folding nick ?

They are losing a lot of players

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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:04 am

Agree with you there SJE, he doesn't seem to be able to evolve Tigers game from what it was when he was playing for them and they haven't got the pack anymore that can dominate the other team like they used to.

They don't seem to like using the backs either.

Amazed that Bath are getting those players - they are another team who I don't think have the best coaches, as for all the money they have spent they aren't getting very much return. Louw pretty much single handidly keeps them in games.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:04 am

Tigers have suffered under salary cap, they don't have the forwards to bully teams. Their backrow is really average.

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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:14 am

Palmer to miss 6Ns
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:15 am

Right, as we don't have an Irish manager I will caretake and here is the page...

https://www.606v2.com/t39721-london-irish-caretaker-manager-page#1801259

I will do deals so that things don't stagnate, but will get a manager not involved in the deal to ratify it as well to make sure that it's all fair.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 am

Backrow with Mafi and Salvi not really average. I don't think they have a no8 with enough pace and unless you are Nick Easter you really need that to give them front foot ball and neither Waldroum or Crane offer that.

Parling has really come on this year, has really come on a lot since being called up by England. Rate him very highly now.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:30 am

Salvi is average, he does ok in the AP but disappears as the quality rises.

I like Mafi but I like him better at lock. Parling has been great this year, easily our best 5.

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Post by stnick88 Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 am

No matt its not that bad. just losing a lot of good players and doubt we will replace them with as good players. jj isnt the biggest loss as we have ansbro who should return next season. Sa has now arrived and started training also.

Garvey will be the biggest loss as he is our best player week in week out. irreplacable.

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:07 am

Jj been off
Colour this year a move could work for him. I like Irish just wish they did not play at the mad stad.

Garvey will be a huge loss no doubt

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:09 am

I've loved some games at the MadStad, as when it's near full the atmosphere is amazing, that only happens once or twice a year max. Going down to Sandy Park at the weekend was a fantastic experience, proper rugby ground packed full. The frustrating thing is, if you look at the size of their terraces, we could fit that at Sunbury, but ancient covenants on the ground mean we can't charge for entry and can't get planning permission.
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Post by stnick88 Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:48 am

We're moving from Sunbury anyway Pete.

I don't mind the Madejski. from a selfish perspective i like going there as most games i sit in the guiness lounge or a box which are quite nice, when i sit in the stands its so quiet and dull. could be worse, we could be at adams park.


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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:04 pm

Adams park is an excuse for a rugby ground. The pub when you leave reading train station is a decent crack on rugby days when playing Irish. Everyone seems to congregate there

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:33 pm

Yeah, but that's the reason we are leaving Sunbury nick, because we can't do anything with it. Hazelwood will be a great training facility, and be great for the amateur sides, but we'll still be playing most games in a two thirds empty MadStad.

The 3 Guineas is a great pub Mat, always worth diving in there for a few before and after a game.
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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:43 pm

Talking about training facilities did any one happen catch Match of the Day 3 when Brendan Rodgers was on it during his time at Swansea?

They used to train at a public leisure centre and share the gym , sports hall , baths and even changing rooms as the general public. Rodgers said it kept them in touch with reality and felt more as part of Swanseas culture rather than just 11 blokes on pitch playing under the name Swansea.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:49 pm

In relation to deals involving London Irish, having looked at their squad they have good depth in some positions and not others, in particular around EQ players where in some positions they have 2 EQ player who could start for them, and none in others. So EQ players could go for quality EQ in other positions where they have none.
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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:38 pm

3 guineas that's the pub. Usually have large debits from there when ever I have been to Irish game

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:10 pm

Here is what I am looking to bring in for Irish transfer wise.

Hooker
Blindside (available through 6 Nations)
EQ Centre
EQ Winger


All players can go as everyone has a price, and for the EQ players I will release from the areas where Irish have more than 1 EQ player who could start, so lock, openside and full back.
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Post by stnick88 Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 pm

I'm still on the board at Irish Pete and I forbid you to sell the Armitages!

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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:37 pm

http://www.espnscrum.com/six-nations-2013/rugby/story/175969.html

Clark to miss 6Ns.
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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:40 pm

Good news for the Irish

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/8423245/
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Post by DHLS07 Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:29 pm

I can't keep up with the comings and goings in this game. Happy to get the win this week though.

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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:31 pm

Good win for you fella.
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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:37 pm

The game was stable for about 2 years and then lately gone weird.

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:14 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8422916,00.html on track. Out since November so must have been a small clear out op

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:20 pm

Anyone have weepu http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,16024_8422038,00.html

Could be some battle
Ab 9 shirt. Tj perenara , smith, Kerr Barlow
And weepu is a great lineup.

Tj fancied by many pundits pre injury but I love smiths service. Admittedly if you get to him he can be rattled but his service is exceptional. Like Barlow also. Flout of good 9s in world rugby at moment

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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:25 pm

Where would you have Care and Youngs in that list - reckon they would start ahead of all AB scrum halves?

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Post by Driver Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:27 pm

Youngs on form as good as any.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 pm

TJ is playing a bit of catch up but still young.

Funny conflicting reports from managers....Kidney - he'll make 6N opener, Ulster - doubt it

Can see who's trying to look after him there

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:30 pm

Smith was magic this year but gets an armchair ride, got ruffled a bit against us.

I'd have world best scrummies (on form) Genia, Youngs, Parra.

As an England fan I wouldn't swap him for anyone, even though Genia better pre injury.

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:31 pm

Smith has better service than care and youngs. Youngs is not the greatest at clearing the ruck.

Youngs better kicker.

Youngs admitted himself he gets wound up and rattled which puts him off his game.

Smith as shown against England and in some super. 15 can be got at.

Perenara before injury looked immense and is 19 but unproven for me despite pundits going wild. His pass is crisp his kicking fab and takes it on well. Need to see him at a higher level and with more than 1 season. Same for Barlow.

Weepu tactically better than all of them due to experience but historically up and down with form and fitness.

Good question Chris.

On form of last year would go

Smith
Care
Youngs
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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:33 pm

Think youngs is better than care but he has been dross for too long. Sunday was a top performance and his kicking and game management great .

Need to see his spark attacking wise come back. Does not help playing with flood who goes lateral.


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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Also some interesting points raised by Jon Callard about a draft system in the AP for the best young players to help their development and get more game time. Guess it would be similar to that in NFL.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21152993

Youngs looks like he's coming back to form at the moment, been impressed with him in his last 4 games or so. Though Care has been great since ever since he gave up alcohol.

Havent seen too much of Smith as I don't overly enjoy s15 rugby, there are a load of good French no9s though - odd how they all take the place kicks and it doesnt happen anywhere else in the world!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 pm

I don't think Youngs fluctuates too much tbh.

You look at the ball he gets at Tigers and its surprisingly bad, was shocked to see how poorly they clear rucks. Tigers backrow is a really weak area these days.

Him & Cole are our only two world class players at current.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 pm

We have no rugby collage system so draft won't work. Pie in the sky idea

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:43 pm

French 9s used to throw in at lineouts 20 years ago it was tradition even at internationals.

Youngs has meltdowns like vs Toulouse away. Think that was the game that made him see the sports psychologist.

Last few games he has been decent although outclassed by fotuali at ospreys.

Cole world class

Youngs corbs tuilagi foden launchbury all have potential to be.
As does Hartley although I know pooly will object

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:45 pm

Hartley not even Int class, can't scrum from toffee

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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:59 pm

I'd add Wood and Lawes into the potential bucket too. We could have the best pack come 2015 - Corbs, Hartley, Cole, Launch, Parling/Lawes, Wood, Robshaw, Morgan/Vunipola.

Do need to settle on a 10-12 combination and find a top class winger, hopefully that will be May, would like to see him get a good run of games together now.

Best young player for me in the AP at the moment is Elliot Daly, he's improved so much this year - hope he gets some Saxons starts.

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:00 pm

He scrums well and is aggressive. Darts great and carries hard although not as effective. His carrying is straight at the man and he does
Not look for weak shoulders or any angles.
Watch Strauss or BDP they run proper close lines. Timing and slight angles are key. They are best 2 in world at it. Moore of Aussies does it well also

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:05 pm

Said for last 2 seasons daly is quality . Think centre may be his position. Needs some weight as gets bumped head on but has time
On ball and real class. Great distribution and a real brain.

15 is an option 2.

Apparently may was dynamite Saturday and looked razor sharp. Went looking for ball and also can move in to first and second receiver.

With Jsd and May out glos lost fluidity. We have Sharples may Jsd 36 etc all
move In to first receiver to
Make us fluid and relentless.

When you have Tindall Morahan and cook in same side you lose all flow.

Cook has shown he is not ap standard. Never seen a worse player under high ball. He is always metres away and looking at the people chasing. Shows step up from championship

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:08 pm

Hope May stays fit.

Hartley a really poor scrummager imo

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Post by Guest Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:20 pm

May been generally fit but the injury on England tour June
Hit him for 6 it was a nothing injury that took 6 months.

36 and burns with England could be disaster if we have to play Tim taylor at ten

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