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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:56 am

whats the app called?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:08 am

Don't pull out yet Matt, more news to come.

I've been advised 0.8 a decent short term get out price, stay in for bigger gains though.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:18 am

I will not pull out pooly. If they hit .9 or 1.0 I will take out my stake and let them ride. Thinking of putting more in.

All research i did showed excellent results.

Nick its not an app. Pull down From top of screen and you will see a screen with weather and stocks going across. Click on share prices and then add ntog and you can see its performance. Alternatively google nostra terra shares. They are listed on the aim which is the alternative investment market. More risky but some great performers.
Eg ASOS was listed on it a few years ago and is now the biggest online fashion retailer in the world

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:25 am

Matt, I tried to put another 10k in on Friday but I've not auth'd my selftrade account so have a 10k limit. Just lost out on 2.5k potential profit

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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:28 am

what stockbroker do you trade with?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:29 am

Selftrade

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:59 am

How did you all get into that?

Been working on launching an investment fund over the last 12months or so, hopefully be ready by early 2014.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:03 am

I use the share centre. Chris check out lion trust if you want to see a good investment unit.

Their smaller uk fund is fantastic.

You can put your ISA allowance into it and its 36% year on year.

My wife always does it every year.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:07 am

i'd like to get in to it all but dont really have the money to do it as am saving for a house.

theres not really a way to do it on a small scale, need to invest a fair bit really.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

Best time would have been last week Nick, you could have made a quick 20% in a day.

There's more news due out on CT4 end of week which could see another 15% + gain. Obviously a risk though, if you need that money soon is give it a miss just incase it goes down a little.

I went to 9k day after investing, sitting at around 13k now

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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:49 am

http://www.espnscrum.com/lions-tour-2013/rugby/story/176178.html

Bit of English bias in here!

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:54 am

Steven jones in times did not have parling launchbury robshaw in his squad of 35.

Locks were Ian Evans charteris gray and Ryan

It was bemusing how Wales biased it was.


Saving for a first house is a nightmare nick. Some of those investment trusts like lion rock and Hargreaves Landsdown always perform at a decent rate way above savings and you can cash out anytime. Wish I had heard of them when I was saving for my first house.


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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:04 pm

May have to have a look into Lion Rock.

Will be interesting to see how the 6Nations goes for England, as the NZ game must be used as a platform to move on, but at the same time really masked how poor we were in the other games.

With all the Welsh injuries I can see them struggling a bit and never really sure how well the Irish will do, think the England front five has the beating of theirs now, but their backrow is immense.

France favourites?

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:19 pm

Here is that lionrock http://www.liontrust.co.uk/Products/FundPerformance.aspx

Think it will be England and France battling for top spot. Wales and Ireland for 3rd and 4th

Might be off to Wales Ireland Saturday there are tickets knocking about and it's not far too go

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:39 pm

Great signing for Wasps, Matt Mullan.

http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/22648.php

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm

That is a tremendous signing fits the wasps team well.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:41 pm

Been rumoured, top signing

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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:43 pm

agreed.

Worcester will struggle next season without Kvesic and Mullan, Goode off too. Goode was decent yday, Worc improved when he came on.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

Wonder where Kvesvic will end up, was it said on here last week that Gloucester is the most likely destination?

Be interesting to see if Wasps try and replace BV or move Haskell or AJ to that position. Just needing a top hooker now!

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 1:19 pm

http://planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_8448204,00.html

Confirmed he is out

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 1:40 pm

Hope we go with someone with a bit of pace there - but with Farrell there you wonder if he will be tempted with trying Barritt and Farrell in the centres.

Would hate to see a midfield of Flood, Barritt and Farrell - would just be a kicking game and we'd have zero pace.

Also opens the door up for Foden's return to get another strike runner in the team.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 28 Jan 2013, 2:25 pm

Got to be JJ surely. Scotland arent exactly full of pace if we can get JJ in space then he could do some damage

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 6:59 pm

Anyone interested in deals for the summer? These guys are availible in the right deal.

Wyatt Crockett
Matthew Rees
Will Collier
Jerome Thion
Hugh Pyle
James Gaskell
Will Welch
Chris Henry
Sam Jones
Karl Dickson
Ryan Glynn
Greig Laidlaw
Felipe Contepomi
Matt Smith
Taku Ngwenya
Anders Mogensen
Olly Lindsey-Hague

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 7:30 pm

French have announced the 24 players for sunday. Side likely to be

Debaty
Forrestier
Kayser
Szarzewski
Mas
Ducalon
Maestri
Taofifenua
Pape
Dusa
Chouly
Nyanga
Picamoles
Parra
Machenaud
FTD
Michalak
Fofana
Fall
Mermoz
Fritz
Basteraud
Huget


so expect it to be

Forrestier
Kayser
Mas
Maestri
Pape
Dusatoir
Nyanga
Picamoles
Parra
Michalak
Fofana
Mermoz
Fritz
Huget
Fall

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Post by Fluxy Mon 28 Jan 2013, 7:35 pm

Wouldn't be surprised to see Machenuad in front of Parra, seems to rate him higher.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 7:38 pm

Parra been excellent when I've seen him. I'd pick him ahead of Mach everyday. Reckon they will stick with Fofana on the wing though

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 7:54 pm

Parra is excellent but he can be put of his game. Mach been out for a while hasn't he ?

Good pack but michalak is flaky and will be there downfall at some point in the 6 nations

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 8:01 pm

Always believed that over an extended period Michalak will lose you more games than he wins you

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

Absolutely Steve. If its raining they should pick anyone bar him.
He also has prior history of falling to pieces against England.

The lack of a ten will be the French Achilles heel
In this tournament

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:29 pm

He plays well behind a top pack. France's pack is awesome. See him having a great tournament. He's been brilliant for them since the summer.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

I like FTD. I think he is quality and really underrated by some. As long as you have Parra to kick the goals then he for me is the best player.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:33 pm

I'm not entirely convinced the French pack is a strong this time round.

Pape, Dusa and Picamoles aside I think there are a few gaps in there. Mas has been better of late but inconsistent. Hookers are both flakey, Looseheads still unproven.

Still decent, but I am not sure it will do all that much in terms of domination.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:38 pm

They lack a hooker for sure. Mas been great this year as has maestri. Think they are strong up front.

Most of dallaglio Fitzpatrick guscott Barnes all see michalak as Frances downfall in the tournament

Not playing 10 for Toulon and then playing international rugby there is a recipe for disaster In my opinion. Will go fine against some teams and not against others

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:42 pm

Maestri
Pape
Dusatoir
Nyanga
Picamoles

Best back 5 in the tournament for me.

Right about him playing 9 Matt - could be an issue. But them he was playing 9 before the autumn then went and played 10 brilliantly.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:55 pm

Pica and Dusatoir excellent. Pape a level below them but still decent.

Maestri and Nyanga still a lot to prove at top level.

Hamilton
Grey
Brown
Denton
Beattie

Launch
Parling
Wood
Robshaw
Morgan

Ryan Jones
James King
Warburton
Tipuric
Faletau

Donnacha Ryan
Mike McCarthy
Sean O'Brien
Chris Henry
Jamie Heaslip

My guesses at each back 5, no idea about Italy. Weaknesses in each but maybe France is the strongest due to injuries but their front row could struggle for me.

All decent. Wales struggling at lock but that is due to so many injuries.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 9:57 pm

The power in the Scotland back 5 is freakish. If there front row of Grant, Ford and Murray is on form then there pack will be very tough to stop.

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Post by Fluxy Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:03 pm

4. Quintin Geldenhuys
5. Francesco Minto
6. Robert Barbieri
7. Alessandro Zanni
8. Sergio Parrisse

Would be my guess for Italy

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:16 pm

Is Beattie in jock squad ?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:19 pm

yeah. He has been quality for Montpellier as well of late. Good foreign for anyone after an 8.

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Post by Guest Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:24 pm

Yes he has been good for Montpelier him and tuloh carry well. Still some great signings out there. Think fotuali is my target

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:36 pm

Could be after Fotuali too Mat.

Some really good players out there - quite a few 10's - lot could be done on how well Biggar does for Wales in the first game or two I think, but then there's the young Cardiff lad too.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 10:49 pm

Fancied Kahn but can't afford him and not really looking to sell players to raise funds.

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Post by Driver Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:00 pm

I thought about signing Kahn after the world cup after he burst down the wing to score against Fiji? Probs best 9 at the RWC.

Decided against it at the end....
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:15 pm

Oozes class. Remember liking him at Crusaders but was put off due to him being Samoan so not seen all that much on international stage.

Very interesting what happens with Lee Dickson.

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Post by Driver Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:48 pm

Wasn't so sure about him at Saders with Ellis tending to be the 1st choice at 9.

Really similer to Mike Phillips but his pass has more zip to it.
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Post by Driver Mon 28 Jan 2013, 11:57 pm

Telegraph website seems to think we could see the following midfield for England vs Jocks

10.Toby Flood
12.Billy Twelvetrees
13.Johnathan Joseph

If he plays 12T at centre i could see him either playing Brown at 15 with Foden and Ashton on the wings or Farrell at 10 and Goode at 15 with Ashton and Brown on the wing.


Really hope he doensn't pick Ben Foden over Goode or Brown. Foden has struggled this season and whilst he is our best runner in the back 3 at the moment Goode gives us a 2nd wave in attack and Brown has been immense for Quins this season.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 29 Jan 2013, 12:13 am

Guardian reckons 36 could play too.


“We had seven new caps at Murrayfield last year,” Lancaster said. “I don’t think it’s too early for Billy to come in. I don’t see a lack of international experience as a barrier to international selection.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 29 Jan 2013, 12:14 am

Foden has been pretty awful this season, he'll be lucky to make the 23

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Post by Driver Tue 29 Jan 2013, 12:18 am

Tim Visser been running his lip in the press saying how he's never lost at Twickers even with Newcastle.
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Post by Guest Tue 29 Jan 2013, 7:11 am

In that times piece fitz dallaglio guscott and Barnes all had Farrell at 10 none of them could see the point in flood being in squad if burns fit.

Barnes called flood a club player. This Is the same Barnes who 2 years ago was calling for wilko to be dropped for flood

36 been dreadful for last few months and lost his early season spark . Be amazed if he starts

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