Ryder Cup Captain 2014 - Congratulations Paul McGinley

by SmithersJones Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

First topic message reminder :

DC's come out and said he doesn't think he should be Ryder Cup captain in 2014. Olly has said he'll never do it again. How many more people need to make some sort of gesture before Monty rules himself out and leaves the way clear for McGinley?

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:29 pm

So this is what Coco said -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way"

Shouldnt it really have read -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour, who I sporadically support but ultimately just used as a stepping stone to the PGA tour where I will largely play for the rest of my career due to wealth and fame requirements, if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way.

by John Cregan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:36 pm

I think McIlroy is trying to get across 2 things:

(1) The respect him and all the players have for McGinley - lets face it, there are ZERO members of the players Committee with a chance of qualifying for the team. I think the "campaign" from the current players for McGinley represents them wanting to go public before others make the call, and why not.

(2) Montgomerie is hugely unpopular among the players

by John Cregan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:43 pm

Diggers wrote:So this is what Coco said -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way"

Shouldnt it really have read -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour, who I sporadically support but ultimately just used as a stepping stone to the PGA tour where I will largely play for the rest of my career due to wealth and fame requirements, if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way.

Why should McIlroy "support" the European Tour and what aspects of his schedule offend you?

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:47 pm

John Cregan wrote:lets face it, there are ZERO members of the players Committee with a chance of qualifying for the team.

Touch harsh on Franny Molinari

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:47 pm

John Cregan wrote:
Diggers wrote:So this is what Coco said -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way"

Shouldnt it really have read -
"I think it will be a disappointing day for the European Tour, who I sporadically support but ultimately just used as a stepping stone to the PGA tour where I will largely play for the rest of my career due to wealth and fame requirements, if it doesn't go Paul McGinley's way.

Why should McIlroy "support" the European Tour and what aspects of his schedule offend you?

I didnt say he should support it, but if he chooses not to and primarily plays his golf elsewhere then I dont believe he's in a great position to make public announcements about what actions they should or shouldnt take.

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:48 pm

So remind us who won the Race to Dubai last year, Diggers?

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:55 pm

He didnt have to play too many pure European events to win that though did he Smithers ? Majors and co sanctioned events stacked up the euros for him.

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 3:58 pm

Diggers wrote:He didnt have to play too many pure European events to win that though did he Smithers ? Majors and co sanctioned events stacked up the euros for him.

So you can only express interest in and concern for the future of the European tour if you're a Poopie journeyman?

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:04 pm

Im just suggesting that as someone who largely prefers to ply his trade elsewhere he possibly isn't best placed to tell them how they should do their jobs.
And yes a journeyman pro should have more say but they probably dont get a hard on by tweeting their views to thousands of kiss arses.

by John Cregan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:09 pm

SmithersJones wrote:
John Cregan wrote:lets face it, there are ZERO members of the players Committee with a chance of qualifying for the team.

Touch harsh on Franny Molinari

Sorry Franny..................The fact that maybe only one or possibly none of the potential members of the 2014 team have a vote whereas Felipe Aguilar, a journeyman pro from Chile has a vote is perhaps wrong..........

by barragan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:10 pm

like the title change Laugh

for the record, i never said i thought monty should get the gig - i just think there's more than a very good chance he will.

i have a nasty feeling about everything 'scottish' related to 2014 - call me paranoid, but i think the whole independance question is going to get some helpful nudges from lots of different corners. hey - even the recent film 'brave' had an underlying pro-independance message.

the poll is a great indicator that monty has next to zero support on here. thought it would be useful to see if there were any monty fans just being quiet, but seems there aren't.

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:20 pm

Straw poll by DirectGolf on twitter suggests we're not alone in being strongly pro PM.

Ironic that the general consensus on here is also, iirc, anti-independence?

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:23 pm

Diggers wrote:Im just suggesting that as someone who largely prefers to ply his trade elsewhere he possibly isn't best placed to tell them how they should do their jobs.
And yes a journeyman pro should have more say but they probably dont get a hard on by tweeting their views to thousands of kiss arses.

Richard Bland tweeted his support for McGinley. Is he journeyman/unlikely to make the team enough for you?

by Skydriver Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:28 pm

I've had a brilliant idea.

Zinger took some plaudits for introducing pod system into the team. Europe could steal and perfect the concept - split the team into 2 groups of 6 and appoint a captain to each.

I'm sure that will work, can't see any problem with the concept whatsoever...

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:30 pm

Is there anyone you dont follow on twitter ?
Bland should have more right to comment on the decision making of tour committees as he is at least fully committed to it, but just like McIlroy IMO he would be better served doing so in private.

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:35 pm

Don't follow, just saw a retweet. That's the thing with social media, you can be exposed to stuff without necessarily seeking it out. Whether that's a good or bad thing is another matter.

I'd venture to suggest that McIlroy's already done more for the ET than Bland and a hundred like him will ever do combined. That's not to denigrate their efforts, simply a matter of economics. While he's still playing in enough events to keep a card he still has a say.

by Diggers Tue 15 Jan 2013, 4:39 pm

I dont particularly begrudge him having his say, I just dont like the way he is choosing to do it.

by super_realist Tue 15 Jan 2013, 5:08 pm

I really hate Twitter

by barragan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 5:14 pm

The stuff of imbeciles eh super.

Facebook: bewitching the unenlightened. Run

by GunsGerms Tue 15 Jan 2013, 5:24 pm

When is the decision going to be announced?

by NedB-H Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:00 pm

GunsGerms wrote:When is the decision going to be announced?

Now

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/multimedia/video/live/streamer

by SmithersJones Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:13 pm

Common sense prevails! And unanimous, allegedly!

by kwinigolfer Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:14 pm

GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by super_realist Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:18 pm

Only doubt I have about Mcginley is I've heard him mention god a few times.

Psycho.

by Skydriver Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:32 pm

So if the USA are not very familiar with Mr McGinley, then Europe have the key weapon of surprise...

... and fear [of the unknown]... Two key weapons - surprise and fear.

... and a ruthless efficiency... Three key weapons...

by gaelgowfer Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:35 pm

Hallelujah!

by Shotrock Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:40 pm

Watson a great guy from all accounts, but I have no reason to believe he can motivate or manage the egos that will become the US Ryder Cup team. Good luck to him, however.

I think for many (most?) of the top European players the Euro tour has been a stepping stone to the US tour for some time.

by JAS Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:50 pm

Phew...well done selectors. Good luck and best wishes to McGinley

I had nothing against Monty and if he had got it I'm sure he would have given it his best shot but the fact is he was one of the main protagonists for saying it should be a one time thing and he certainly said that after CM. I think he just got a wee bit carried away after Watson was announced and the whole cringeworthy 2014 Scottish thing.

by kwinigolfer Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:52 pm

The only phoney aspect of that news conference (thanks Ned) was the colour of George O'Gray's hair - while McGinley was doing his best not to look like a dog-with-two-pr1cks I was reading a 2008 interview:
"with his sandy hair" . . . not any more!

Interesting the other guys (Jimenez, Lawrie, Lyle, Montgomerie) who were considered; presumably Stenson dropped his support of Montgomerie?

by gaelgowfer Tue 15 Jan 2013, 6:59 pm

Shotrock wrote:Watson a great guy from all accounts, but I have no reason to believe he can motivate or manage the egos that will become the US Ryder Cup team. Good luck to him, however.

Perhaps Watson's psychology degree from Stanford (no less) will be put to good use? Wink

by barragan Tue 15 Jan 2013, 7:02 pm

Lawrie and jimenez shoe ins for v/c's - playing or otherwise?

by kwinigolfer Tue 15 Jan 2013, 7:05 pm

Good shout on Lawrie barra, though hopefully he'll be playing - but I wonder if The Mechanic might not think enough is enough? Amazing to think he was helping Seve as long ago as 1997!

by puligny Tue 15 Jan 2013, 7:29 pm

Jimenez for Paris 2018 with Levet as vc.

by pedro Tue 15 Jan 2013, 7:49 pm

puligny wrote:Jimenez for Paris 2018 with Levet as vc.

Well, Clarke is next in line, and then Bjorn I'd reckon?

by daraghj82 Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:29 am

pedro wrote:
puligny wrote:Jimenez for Paris 2018 with Levet as vc.
Well, Clarke is next in line, and then Bjorn I'd reckon?

van de velde anyone for paris 2018. imo monty would have done a great job as captain in 2014 but with the level of support publicly from the players, cs prevailed in the decision going to paul mcginley. he has always performed well in RC and has had the experiences of the seve tropy and vc in RC 2010 and 2012 which will help him no end Cool

by gaelgowfer Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:30 am

Put up this link not so much for the article but for the photo and comment at bottom.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/ryder-cup-player-power-pays-dividends-for-paul-mcginley-1-2739661

Monty won't be using that photo when he registers on 'Perth Swingers.com'

by Roller_Coaster Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:34 am

From one of my earlier posts "Hopefully, the committee (or whoever decides it) will decide he's (Monty) had his shot and choose someone else anyway. At that point as long as he is graceful and unequivocally supportive of whoever does get it fair play to him. Whether he would do this or not is my concern."

Seems to have been answered positively

From BBC - "Paul McGinley tells Radio 5Live that he was quick to contact rival Colin Montgomerie after being named as Ryder Cup captain.

He says: "He was the first man I saw and he came up and congratulated me warmly and wished me the very best of luck. He was very gracious to me."

Fair play to Monty, my concerns seem to have ben unfounded and I shall have fresh cream with a small helping of humble pie.

by pedro Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:30 am

Under all circumstances, every word Monty will say about the RC in the next 18 months will for sure be scrutinised thoroughly. If Monty shouldn't stir up the European RC preparations, he should really keep a low profile and pick his words wisely when asked.

What also worries me is the emphasis Paul MacGinley puts on McIlroy's "endorsement". I think Paul should have played that down a bit, as he basically says the big players choose the captain rather than the committee. Fact is that Bjorn came out already days ago stating that selecting a European captain would never be influenced by whomever the Americans choose. To me a clear indication that Monty was never considered and that they'd go along with McGinley regardless. McIroys conmments were therefore "free of charge" as I think he basically always knew McGinley would be selected - whereas McGinley seemed to give the rooster credit for the sunrise.

by HiGun Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:32 am

So if the USA are not very familiar with Mr McGinley, then Europe have the key weapon of surprise...

... and fear [of the unknown]... Two key weapons - surprise and fear.

... and a ruthless efficiency... Three key weapons...

HAHAHA, brilliant SKY! - NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition

Congrats to McGinley, the best choice IMO

by pedro Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:37 am

But the American's have REAL weapons... one unit per capita. Erm

by SmithersJones Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:54 am

Heard a brilliant factoid the other day - the Spanish Inquisitors had to give 30 days notice, so EVERYBODY expected it.

by HiGun Wed 16 Jan 2013, 11:15 am

I heard that too, hilarious!!

Not sure the monty python sketch would have worked with the notice period though Very Happy

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 16 Jan 2013, 11:23 am

SmithersJones wrote:Heard a brilliant factoid the other day - the Spanish Inquisitors had to give 30 days notice, so EVERYBODY expected it.

by Skydriver Wed 16 Jan 2013, 11:32 am

No idea why I decided to post that - caught up in the moment, I guess!

Any maybe a bit of word association. McGinley... Monty... Python...

by SmithersJones Wed 16 Jan 2013, 5:00 pm

Changed the title again now that the result is known. It seems Monty didn't quite take the hint but has congratulated PM.

Now it's just Dynamark not taking the hint on the poll thread!

by barragan Wed 16 Jan 2013, 5:05 pm

i don't think he read the comment about chatter on the OP Cool

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 16 Jan 2013, 5:20 pm

I like Mcginley he looks like a motivator......and a peoples man.

Never understood why they wanted to give it to Monty again!!

Would have preferred Couples to Watson.....

Very surprised Mcilroy has been so vocal against Monty....seems over the top for me!!

Do they not get on???.....Sure Monty is feeling a little hurt..

Anyway good choice......He's a wholehearted guy who will get twelve motivated players..wanting to play for him!!

by super_realist Wed 16 Jan 2013, 6:06 pm

Trussman, are you going to be more sensible with your predictions and do a bit more research this time?

by hogie Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:14 pm

SR you must be very excited at the prospect of three Irish Captains in a row.... McGinley (2014) Clarke (2016) and your third best mate Harrington in 2018. thumbsup

by super_realist Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:28 pm

There's no guarantee that Harrington will get it. He's of an age where he's going to be up against some Ryder Cup legends come 2018 (Poulter, Westwood, Donald, Garcia, Jiminez). I would say he's very much an outside bet given his dire record.

I don't mind Paddy as a golfer, and he seems a nice guy (even though his eyes are too close together), but in Ryder Cup he seems to be a bit part player with an air of malaisse about him. I can't see him being considered, nor arrogant enough to take it.

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