Ryder Cup Captain 2014 - Congratulations Paul McGinley

by SmithersJones Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

First topic message reminder :

DC's come out and said he doesn't think he should be Ryder Cup captain in 2014. Olly has said he'll never do it again. How many more people need to make some sort of gesture before Monty rules himself out and leaves the way clear for McGinley?

by hogie Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:41 pm

Poulter Westwood Donald and Garcia will be too young in 2018... They are the prime candidates for 2020 -2026. And Jiminez I think will be the one to miss out.

Harrington is very single minded I think if he decides that he wants to captain he will do whatever is required to make it happen.

Totally agree Harrington's record in the ryder cup has been disapointing. He actually had a very good record ryder cup record (7-4-1) up untill the K club. There he played 5 matches and only won half a point but nobody really cared cause we won in a landslide . And then he was desperate at Valhalla after winning the last two majors of the year. In those two ryder cups he played 9 and won only one point, tough to come back from that.
........ W-L-H
1999: 1-1-1
2002: 2-2-0
2004: 4-1-0
2006: 0-4-1
2008: 0-3-1
2010: 2-2-0
Total: 9-13-3

by pedro Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:51 pm

Forget Harrington. He will be the new Lyle and never be considered. I'd go for Bjorn in 2018.

by super_realist Wed 16 Jan 2013, 10:21 pm

Hogie, you do know Harrington is less than two years older than Westwood don't you?

With both players on the turn, I think there is only one who would get the Captaincy if they were the only two candidates, and it wouldn't be the :leprechaun:

You could probably make a case for Paul Lawrie over Harrington too.

by McLaren Thu 17 Jan 2013, 6:42 am

Can someone please point me towards some material that backs up some of the comments being made in the media about paul mcginleys supposed intellect?

I have seen/heard it said that he is an eloquent and thoughtful speaker, yet on his visits to the sky commentary team he came off as a total dumb ass. In the world of golf does ability to reel of golfing cliches at an astronomical rate equal great wisdom?

What a fuss over nothing this all is anyway. If the captaincy even made a difference it would be offset by the fact gleneagles is usually under 3 feet of water come october time.

by JAS Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:09 am

McLaren wrote:Can someone please point me towards some material that backs up some of the comments being made in the media about paul mcginleys supposed intellect?

I have seen/heard it said that he is an eloquent and thoughtful speaker, yet on his visits to the sky commentary team he came off as a total dumb ass. In the world of golf does ability to reel of golfing cliches at an astronomical rate equal great wisdom?

What a fuss over nothing this all is anyway. If the captaincy even made a difference it would be offset by the fact gleneagles is usually under 3 feet of water come october time.

Why do you need such reassurance of McGinley's intellect Mac? I think he comes across as fairly sharp and the Sky commentary team studio is not an easy place to do that, they don't know how events are going to unfold on the course so they have to able to adapt. I know for a fact that David Howell is a fairly thoughtful and eloquent speaker but what I see when he's in the Sky studio is him reverting to fairly bland generalisations and golfing cliches. Good round for him this morning though...unlikely he'll be in the studio this weekend!!

by incontinentia Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:45 am

McGinley is reported to have an iq of 130, so certainly no slouch in the brain department.

Personally, as an Irishman I am delighted to see him as Captain. Shane Lowry is now all but guaranteed to make the team, if not by merit then as a Captains pick. Actually Harrington will probably need one more, not sure if Paul would have the cheek to pick 2 irishmen, even though they would make an awesome foursomes partnership.

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:51 am

incontinentia wrote:McGinley is reported to have an iq of 130, so certainly no slouch in the brain department.

Personally, as an Irishman I am delighted to see him as Captain. Shane Lowry is now all but guaranteed to make the team, if not by merit then as a Captains pick.

by Skydriver Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:12 am

Perhaps he might consider picking Peter Lawrie too.

If the pairings/order can be submitted with the name "P Lawrie", then that gives flexibility to switch Peter and Paul without anyone noticing once they know the opposing players.

Or pair them together. If the referee says "P Lawrie's turn", then either of them can play the next stroke.

Even in the unlikely event that someone cries foul, the confusion factor alone might be a valuable weapon for Europe (which is now... er... four and counting?).

I should make myself available as a tactical consultant to Capt McGinley.

by Diggers Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:16 am

incontinentia wrote:McGinley is reported to have an iq of 130, so certainly no slouch in the brain department.

Thats very impressive...especially when you only need to score 40 to get Irish Mensa membership.... Laugh

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

Diggers wrote:
incontinentia wrote:McGinley is reported to have an iq of 130, so certainly no slouch in the brain department.

Thats very impressive...especially when you only need to score 40 to get Irish Mensa membership....

The leprechaun icon has disappeared again.

by GunsGerms Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:47 am

Another good thread trolled.

On McGinley. He is obviously a popular choice amoungst the players but is that always a good thing? Not sure how much impact the captain has anyway but Im sure there will be difficult/unpopular decisions to be made as part of the job. When you are already unpopular like Monty does this make it easier to make the tough calls?

Obviously McGinley has had the backing of some of the bigger names Poulter, McIlroy etc. I just hope that when it comes to the crunch he has the strength of character to make his own calls and not be swayed too much by some of the bigger personalities in the team if that makes sense.

by incontinentia Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:48 am

You chaps will be eating your words when Shane secures victory with the winning putt, like McDowell and McGinley before him.

by GunsGerms Thu 17 Jan 2013, 11:49 am

McGinley is the first Irish captain correct?

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 12:49 pm

incontinentia wrote:You chaps will be eating your words when Shane secures victory with the winning putt, like McDowell and McGinley before him.

You really think that fat, gluttenous, gutlord can play 36 holes a day?

by incontinentia Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:19 pm

super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:You chaps will be eating your words when Shane secures victory with the winning putt, like McDowell and McGinley before him.

You really think that fat, gluttenous, gutlord can play 36 holes a day?

yes

by Roller_Coaster Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:41 pm

I think he could do 36 in a day but I think he'd deteriorate noticably towards the end.

72 in 2 might be beyond possibility.

I'd put a tenner on if (big if) he managed that (ie all 4 games went to the 18th) he'd be too physically battered by the time it was the singles to compete and would take a hammering. (Even if he came up against Ryder Cup Tiger!)

That said - it'd be a fairly good guess that if he made the team, he'd be managed in such a way that he wouldn't be asked to play every session as an overweight rookie anyway.

To be fair though "fat, gluttenous, gutlord" or talented tour pro golfer, hate him or love him I'd be happy if he sank the winning putt at Gleneagles to win the RC.

Sure Super would be happy at the win too before handing out another ribbing (or is that spare ribbing?) on here!

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:42 pm

incontinentia wrote:You chaps will be eating your words when Shane secures victory with the winning putt, like McDowell and McGinley before him.

I think Shane will have already eaten them.

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:45 pm

Skydriver wrote:Perhaps he might consider picking Peter Lawrie too.

If the pairings/order can be submitted with the name "P Lawrie", then that gives flexibility to switch Peter and Paul without anyone noticing once they know the opposing players.

Or pair them together. If the referee says "P Lawrie's turn", then either of them can play the next stroke.

Even in the unlikely event that someone cries foul, the confusion factor alone might be a valuable weapon for Europe (which is now... er... four and counting?).

I should make myself available as a tactical consultant to Capt McGinley.

The yanks could do the same with Watson/Johnson and Watson/Johnson. Nobody would ever notice as one Watson and one Johnson would constantly be confusing us with their god talk.

by hogie Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:45 pm

super_realist wrote:Hogie, you do know Harrington is less than two years older than Westwood don't you?

With both players on the turn, I think there is only one who would get the Captaincy if they were the only two candidates, and it wouldn't be the :leprechaun:

You could probably make a case for Paul Lawrie over Harrington too.

Yes I do ,so it makes most sense that Harrington would get it in 2018 and Westwood to follow 2 years later.... Can't see Lawrie getting it at all...

by Roller_Coaster Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:45 pm

I think Shane will have already eaten them. laughing

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:50 pm

hogie wrote:
super_realist wrote:Hogie, you do know Harrington is less than two years older than Westwood don't you?

With both players on the turn, I think there is only one who would get the Captaincy if they were the only two candidates, and it wouldn't be the :leprechaun:

You could probably make a case for Paul Lawrie over Harrington too.

Yes I do ,so it makes most sense that Harrington would get it in 2018 and Westwood to follow 2 years later.... Can't see Lawrie getting it at all...

I really don't think age comes into it at all when you are splitting two players like that. Westwood would be a no brainer, Harrington just is a no brainer.

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:53 pm

"Westwood would be a no brainer, Harrington just is a no brainer." laughing

super, I'd like to see you talk golf with Johnny Miller. Hopefully you could shut him up.

by hogie Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:53 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Another good thread trolled.

On McGinley. He is obviously a popular choice amoungst the players but is that always a good thing? Not sure how much impact the captain has anyway but Im sure there will be difficult/unpopular decisions to be made as part of the job. When you are already unpopular like Monty does this make it easier to make the tough calls?

Obviously McGinley has had the backing of some of the bigger names Poulter, McIlroy etc. I just hope that when it comes to the crunch he has the strength of character to make his own calls and not be swayed too much by some of the bigger personalities in the team if that makes sense.

He did a damn good job when he was captain of GB&I in the Seve trophy. according to Rory ""He is the best captain I have ever played under."

Obviously as Rory is just out of nappies he hasn't had two many Captains but that puts him ahead of Monty and Ollie.

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:54 pm

pedro wrote:"Westwood would be a no brainer, Harrington just is a no brainer."

super, I'd like to see you talk golf with Johnny Miller. Hopefully you could shut him up.

It would be my pleasure. boxing

by GunsGerms Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:55 pm

Thats right I saw that comment from McIlroy alright.

by GunsGerms Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:56 pm

super_realist wrote:
hogie wrote:
super_realist wrote:Hogie, you do know Harrington is less than two years older than Westwood don't you?

With both players on the turn, I think there is only one who would get the Captaincy if they were the only two candidates, and it wouldn't be the :leprechaun:

You could probably make a case for Paul Lawrie over Harrington too.

Yes I do ,so it makes most sense that Harrington would get it in 2018 and Westwood to follow 2 years later.... Can't see Lawrie getting it at all...

I really don't think age comes into it at all when you are splitting two players like that. Westwood would be a no brainer, Harrington just is a no brainer.

Westwood would be bad luck. Doubt he would have the bottle for it anyway. Would rather Poulter or Harrington.

by SmithersJones Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:57 pm

The players seem to think McGinley is a good captain. I remember though, in the Seve trophy last time, Poulter completely ignored PM's advice on the last to go for the middle of the green and took dead aim at a sucker pin, and stuck it to 4 feet. PM laughed, but is that respecting your captain?

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:15 pm

Whether McGinley is a good captain will be determined the day after Ryder Cup 2014 is over.

by hogie Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:34 pm

Here is my prediction for the next few captains.... I think Bjorn & Jimenez are the biggest two that will not get it.
Year Who Age
2014 Paul McGinley 48
2016 Darren Clarke 50
2018 Padraig Harrington 47
2020 Lee Westwood 47
2022 Ian Poulter 46
2024 Luke Donald 46
2026 Graeme McDowell 47
2028 Sergio García 48
2030 Justin Rose 50
2032 Francesco Molinari 49
2034 Martin Kaymer 49
2036 Rory McIlroy 47

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:38 pm

hogie,
No Shane Lowry?

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:42 pm

He'll be dead by then. Heart attack at 40.

by barragan Thu 17 Jan 2013, 2:46 pm

i thought once poulter got it, it would cease to be a 'one time thing'. who will captain tigger most likely be up against - mcdowell (51)/garcia(53)?

by incontinentia Thu 17 Jan 2013, 3:35 pm

2038- Shane Lowry

by super_realist Thu 17 Jan 2013, 3:41 pm

Is that his weight in stone Incontinentia, or the number he picked in the Chinese?

by kwinigolfer Thu 17 Jan 2013, 3:46 pm

hogie,
Can't see them going non-stop with guys from the British Isles. Reckon Bjorn or Karlsson will get the 2018 gig, then push your guys down two years each!

Would say two of those you mention will miss out somewhere down the line, and you also reckon without Casey making a comeback.

by dynamark Thu 17 Jan 2013, 4:05 pm

hogie you need to put in a bit more effort Wink

by hogie Thu 17 Jan 2013, 7:17 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:hogie,
Can't see them going non-stop with guys from the British Isles. Reckon Bjorn or Karlsson will get the 2018 gig, then push your guys down two years each!

Would say two of those you mention will miss out somewhere down the line, and you also reckon without Casey making a comeback.

Can't see Karlson getting it but yes I agree Bjorn could feature in either 2018 or 2020. So much depends on when people game starts to slip.. once they realise that they are not going to make it on the team then becoming the Captain is a nice second prize.

by pedro Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:40 pm

Karlsson doesn't seem to be in the inner circle of the ET, why he's (currently) not in line for the job.

by kwinigolfer Fri 18 Jan 2013, 12:20 am

I thought he was on the Committee but couldn't attend the king-making because he was playing in California . . . . . . though I agree his three years of injuries have kept him from the RC teams and probably done his chances for Captaincy in.

I remember when lw1 would post on 606 he was very respectful of Karlsson.

by pedro Fri 18 Jan 2013, 10:45 am

I agree that Karlsson could do a very good job and that he is well liked and respected. Realistically I just don't see it coming.

by Skydriver Wed 06 Feb 2013, 1:02 pm

Did y'all see this today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/21346550

Lyle was considered??? Really?

by pedro Wed 06 Feb 2013, 9:03 pm

Thomas just being nice methinks. This board also discusses Lyle every time, but he's never on anybodys shortlist.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 06 Feb 2013, 9:34 pm

Lyle should be on the list....At least the guy has won a major....

Let's be honest apart from Darren Clarke very few of your candidates can say that.....

Apart from Paddy who got lucky Tiger took a vacation..

by JAS Wed 06 Feb 2013, 10:30 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lyle should be on the list....At least the guy has won a major....

Let's be honest apart from Darren Clarke very few of your candidates can say that.....

Apart from Paddy who got lucky Tiger took a vacation..

The simple fact of the matter is that our Captains don't neccessarily need to be Major Champions to be RC Winning Captains.

Indeed I think we've been through this several times with your good self...the players don't need to be Major Champions either. From Medinah count the amount of Majors in the US side and the amount of Majors on the European side....then go recheck the final result....then go have a "Duh!!" moment!!!

The American move for Watson (which has precipitated the thinking again about Lyle) can be seen 2 ways

1. A bold move thinking outside the box
2. Desperate straw clutching

I'd say its probably a bit of both

What impressed me more about Europe though is that we didn't succumb and try to follow suit. There is a confidence within Europe that the right man has been chosen.

by golfermartin Thu 07 Feb 2013, 8:58 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lyle should be on the list....At least the guy has won a major....

Let's be honest apart from Darren Clarke very few of your candidates can say that.....

Apart from Paddy who got lucky Tiger took a vacation..

Since this is clearly intended to be a "wind up", it doesn't deserve an answer, but for factual reasons I would like to mention that Sandy has won two majors not just one!!

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