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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 29 Jan 2013, 2:09 pm

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Breaking News: Former London Irish boss stnick88 returns in charge of Worcester Warriors and Quins win the top of the table clash with Tigers to narrow the gap between the two teams to a single point.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.



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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 9:55 am

i want to see a 36/Tuilagi combo. Hope Barritt is dropped to bench.

Looking to offload a few players for deals...

Eli Walker, Fergus McFadden, Tom Heathcote, Morne Steyn, Jon Clarke, Ollie Kohn, Luke Charteris can all leave.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 9:56 am

Not sure 36 is ready to cover 10 at international level to be honest. I'm no Flood fan, but I'd rather have him on the bench than 36 covering 10.
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Post by Driver Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:00 am

To be fair though i don't think anyone expected 36 to take to International rugby like he did.

I much prefer Lawes coming from the bench , think he makes a big impact from there.
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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:05 am

Hartley for Youngs is probable.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:21 am

Would say Hartley will start this weekend, made a big difference with the set piece as Youngs throwing went off the mark.

Can see Tuilagi starting but I think Barritt has now secured his place in the team as he leads the defence so well. Would like to see 36 and Manu but I can't see Lancaster making that call.

Is Ben Morgan back fit? Imagine as he hasnt played he'd be a bench option.

Good to see that guys like Daly, Fraser and Tomkins were given a chance to train with the main team this week.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:23 am

Reckon Youngs should get the nod again myself.

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:24 am

Morning all, how's everyone doing? Looks like the league has had a right old shake up in terms of managers - anyone care to fill me in on what's happened?

Sad to see Wasps struggling near the bottom. What's the plan for the end of the season, will the game still continue? If any posts become available I'd be interested in taking over, I've missed not participating and pretending to be the head coach of a rugby club.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:25 am

36 isn't a very good club 10 so I hope we don't see him covering there for England.

Maybe see 36/Tuilagi midfield against Italy, I imagine SL will want Barritt in there as continuity against the French.

Flood looked good at the weekend, he's a handy option to bring on.

I'd stick with Youngs too Steve, the French lineout isn't great at the minute and poses less of a threat than Ire/Jocks. If he struggles again I'd start Hartley against Italy.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:26 am

Alright Arry, theres a spot on the other league if you fancy it.

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:27 am

I'll have a wander over mate and take a look

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:43 am

Good to see you Arry. As far as I am aware we'll be carrying on next season, so will stick you down as top of the waiting list mate.
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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:59 am

Nice to see you mate. Trying my best with Wasps, but it will take a little time!

Would be great to see you on the other game again, Chiefs have a great squad - just a bit rudderless without anyone in charge! Easily a top four challenging team.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:10 am

If there isn't a next season I'd be raging!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:23 am

Me too Sad

Take the chiefs job Arry - I left a decent squad.

My guess is no changes. Don't fix something that isn't broken.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:30 am

For next season would there be a way that we could let say the 4 bottom clubs get first dibs on new players, let them have who they want without having to pay, as generally the way the transfer system has worked in previous years is that the top teams have a bit more money and generally can outbid the teams at the lower end of the table etc.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:33 am

I have a number of options worked out for changes which I will put to the vote nearer to the end of the season Chris.
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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:45 am

I don't think the problem is transfers as most quality players have gone.

for me the biggest difference is starting EQ. For example Chris you have loads of good EQ players so not a problem but I will have to pick people like Rob Cook and Marcel Garvey who will get slated.

One idea I was thinking of was rather than having EQ, making it either UK and Ireland starters or EU players. say 10. limit it to 5 SH players or something.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:48 am

Sounds good Pete, just seen quite a few people leave the game this year and it is normally a team that is closer to the bottom of the league.

Is Parisse injured? Have seen a comment on the BBC website that he is missing the Wales game, but can't access the full articles!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:51 am

I know I'm not involved but I always thought it would really even things out if all EQ players(bar academy age) were pooled and distributed from that.

The lower clubs usually suffered from poor EQ rather than good players. You're generally as weak as your worst starting EQ player.

Newcastle/Tigers/Quins - All starting England players
Worcester/Wasps/Exeter - very few current EQ Ints between them

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:53 am

I was quite lucky with a lot of my English buys early on like Launchbury, Tuilagi, Wade etc, as they've all come along very nicely. Have been trying to lose a few English players in deals recently to try and even things up a bit, especially with loan deals this year too.

Think there could be an issue of stock pilling good players e.g. you could have some teams that have 3 top looseheads, but one never gets a game, where as another team might struggle in that position and can't get a good loosehead.

Would be good looking at how things could be evened out a bit - e.g. could get the teams with not so many EQ having first dabs on the players coming out of the u18/u20 squads etc. Should be quite a few English becoming available at the end of the season with some very good academy players being over the age limit.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:01 pm

Be hard to pool EQ players though without a restart. Most have built there squad around were their EQ are. And I'd say the majority of us would be against a restart.

Wont fix things short term but maybe take away academies. By that I mean you can't call up players from your own clubs academy they all have to be bid on and must fit into the 20 man limit. Some acadamies are quite clearly better then others so it might help to fix out the EQ unbalance over the longer term

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm

That's a fine idea SJE. I think that could work well as Quins, Sarries, Leicester etc do bring through good academy players without the managers needing to worry. I know now that theirs a good chance I wouldn't need to sign another EQ player as Quins would bring through some would be good enough to fit into my squad.

I honestly think the key is long term managers and sides not taking into account that the star international players will often miss 6 - 10 weeks a season with international games.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm

Parisse was sent off over the weekend, so he has a three week ban if i'm right.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm

I don't think EQ players should be pooled as its unfair on people who bought them etc.

I just think with the 5 EQ rule us lower teams will always suffer. Don't think changes to academies will make a difference as me signing a few EQ youngsters wont strengthen my starting XV at all.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm

I don't think its the players that affect the game, but more upon the opinions of tactics and how they are drawn out. Players can only do so much in the end.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm

I disagree, not everyone reads tactics, generally people look at players and combinations.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm

That was what I was implying. Some just take the rating of players for granted.

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Post by 'Arry Spurs Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm

Cheers Pete, I would rather be in this league to be honest. You've made some good additions Flux I really hope you stay up.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm

I'd be for lowering the EQ limits to 4 and 8 at the end of the season. Was against it last season but think it makes it more manageble for lower sides. Works well on Poolys league.

Restricted academies is a long term fix Nick. Wont do anything for next season but long term it gives everyone a chance to get in the best EQ players.

At the moment Quins/Saints/Glaws among others can bank on young decent EQ players coming through every season really. Some of us can't. Pete has done fantastic with Welsh but for all his hard work long term he is fecked because Welsh have no academy.

Agree on tactics Flux. I see them as key but some don't bother with them when predicting.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm

The amount people take tactics into account has always varied, and that's fair enough. I take them into a fair bit of consideration but don't have a problem with those who don't.

Keep the ideas for next season coming anyway, and as we near the end of the season I will draw them up and we can vote for what we want to bring in.
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Post by Fluxy Tue 19 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm

Maybe a split in EQ requirement? The top 6 stay as they are, but the bottom six go back to 4/8?

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 19 Feb 2013, 1:02 pm

Wouldn't be a fan of that. Bit tough on those around the split of 6th. Realistically theres not much between the top 9. All could qualify for the top 6. If you lost out on 6th by points difference this year you'd have a massive advantage next season on all of the top 6. If the limits lowered it should be lowered for all.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 1:13 pm

Lowering to 4/8 would be a risk as it could just help top sides who have the best players. I would perhaps consider a limit on SH players as well to perhaps 5 although that would hurt some more than others.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 1:16 pm

Think Steve made the point earlier about the international windows and how that impacts upon games, I lose all my top English players for 10 weeks a season and largely have to make up my English with academy players.

A lot seems to be on squad depth overall, as a lot of the top teams can put out a strong team with a 2nd and 3rd string players list, or have their 3rd choice prop as an international.

I don't think that there is a massive gap between a lot of the teams - just the teams that have had a high turnover in managers seem to struggle more than others as their teams have changed most.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 1:19 pm

To be fair, whatever changes we make will disadvantage somebody. The key will be to ensure that whatever is decided evens things out overall.

I'm going to start a new page for ideas for next season. If you have an idea for a change, please put it on there, with a heading saying what aspect of the game it relates to, and then in detail what the idea is.

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Post by prop_lyd Tue 19 Feb 2013, 1:34 pm

Fluxy wrote:That was what I was implying. Some just take the rating of players for granted.

Agreed...that's one thing I feel strongly about.
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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Feb 2013, 2:08 pm

but of those 10 weeks Chris how many are AP games? 2 or 3? Most are LV weeks.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 19 Feb 2013, 2:26 pm

Think the Rugby Championship has been a big leveller on the table this year. SH players between that and the AIs have missed 8 league games this year.

Its the NH players that are saved by the LV cup. They will miss at most 6 games. 6 nations bench players only miss 4 league games with the way fatigue is taken into account

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 3:18 pm

Warburton named on bench for Wales

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 3:40 pm

Kearnan Myall has just signed from Sale for Wasps - is he any good? Haven't really seen much of him.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 3:44 pm

He is great at the lineout. Stats second only to Wentzel's I think. He took apart Wentzel last season I remember. I immediately presumed that Wentzel might be leaving but on the same story they annouce he has signed a new contract.

He can play back row but not better than any of your current options there. Those two in the same lineout though means serious problems for opposition.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 19 Feb 2013, 3:45 pm

Doesn't get in Sale's strongest team I might add. Can stake a claim he is fourth choice lock at the moment and that is counting Gaskell as a back rower.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 4:19 pm

Yeah I didn't think he was first choice at Sale, good to add some depth to our second row options though, espc with Launchbury away most of the time.

James Cannon has been coming on very nicely - looks like he is starting to fulfil some of the promise he showed at Saints.

We've just got a huge financial backer, so I am expecting a few more bigger signings.

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Post by prop_lyd Tue 19 Feb 2013, 5:21 pm

Andy Goode's big..... cake
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 19 Feb 2013, 6:38 pm

Same 23 from Irish game retained for France.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 19 Feb 2013, 6:45 pm

Shame Ben Morgan isnt fit - wonder if he's available for Gloucester this weekend?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 6:58 pm

He'll be for Italy game apparently

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Post by Guest Tue 19 Feb 2013, 7:01 pm

Morgan meant to be ready for this weekend for glos but touch and go as its Friday night game

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:04 pm

Chris Kenny ruled out of 6N, nightmare.

http://www.bigpondsport.com/irelands-chris-kenny-out-of-six-nations/tabid/91/newsid/102504/default.aspx

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 20 Feb 2013, 8:03 am

England meant to hve made 3 changes, Hartley in, Manu replaces 36 and Lawes in for Haskell who is on the bench because of flu. Billy Vinipola would have replaced Waldroum if he didn't twist an ankle in training

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