Cian Healy - cited

by little_badger Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:05 pm

First topic message reminder :

In other news the Pope is a Catholic (for now at least).

Espnscrum has the hearing set for Wednesday. Predictions on a post card. He may well live to regret a few moments of madness.

by gowershowerpower Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:51 pm

just reinforces the fact that they are a very dirty team of cheats.

by Effervescing Elephant Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:51 pm

"by Submachine on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:49 pm

fa0019 wrote:
From the back angle it does seem his leg was a little high. I can backtrack on that Mrs P.

Ehhhhmmmm. That doesn't happen very often round here. What do we do now?"

Close the internet i suppose. Cheers all, it was fun 'till fa0019 ruined it. Smile

by MrsP Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:54 pm

Effervescing Elephant wrote:"by Submachine on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:49 pm

fa0019 wrote:
From the back angle it does seem his leg was a little high. I can backtrack on that Mrs P.

Ehhhhmmmm. That doesn't happen very often round here. What do we do now?"

Close the internet i suppose. Cheers all, it was fun 'till fa0019 ruined it.

Would you believe it?

I had just read EE's post and went to reply and my browser crashed!!!!!!!

by maestegmafia Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:00 pm

fa0019 wrote:the video I watched on rugby dump today had no real footage fromt he back only the side. From the side it doesn't look like its could be infringing.

In terms of whether or not Cole was illegally preventing is still debatable but you can see from the back where Healy was it could have seemed that way.

So certainly not an intentionally career threatening move by Healy on Cole. More likely an attempt to quicken releasing the ball that Cole was obstructing.

Ofxourse the whole situation would never have happened if the IRB had appointed a referee who could command the breakdown area rather than Garces ineffectual, inconsistent manner.

Both teams were pushing to get away with as much as they could taking advantage of Garces inabilities.

by MrsP Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:00 pm

gowershowerpower wrote:just reinforces the fact that they are a very dirty team of cheats.

Were they all cheating?

Or was it just Cole?

Very Happy

by Effervescing Elephant Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:02 pm

MrsP wrote:
Effervescing Elephant wrote:"by Submachine on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:49 pm

fa0019 wrote:
From the back angle it does seem his leg was a little high. I can backtrack on that Mrs P.

Ehhhhmmmm. That doesn't happen very often round here. What do we do now?"

Close the internet i suppose. Cheers all, it was fun 'till fa0019 ruined it.

Would you believe it?

I had just read EE's post and went to reply and my browser crashed!!!!!!!

by lostinwales Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:04 pm

Next it will be nasty Englishman tries to hijack Healy's performance in the scrum by attempting to damage his studs with his ankle.

by TJ1 Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:05 pm

Thank you for accepting that

by **Biltong** Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:05 pm

Submachine wrote:
fa0019 wrote:From the back angle it does seem his leg was a little high. I can backtrack on that Mrs P.

Ehhhhmmmm. That doesn't happen very often round here. What do we do now?

accept with graciousness and move on. Whistle

by gowershowerpower Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:05 pm

Touche MrsP...

by MrsP Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:09 pm

by fa0019 Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:10 pm

I don't think there was ever a case of being intentionally career threatening... it was potentiall career threatening mind.

Other than a few cases I doubt any player would go out to end another players career.

by gowershowerpower Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:12 pm

Yes, but he chose to do that with the aim of 'damaging' another player, such that the consequence of his an action could indeed threaten a career...so i reckon more emphasis on intentionally damaging someone (which could be career threatening)....get me?

by damage_13 Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:21 pm

Regardless of what Cole's leg was doing, stamping is illegal, full stop.

The ONLY mitigating factor that should also be taken into account was 'where'.

He stamped on the joint, not the foot, or leg, but the most vulnerable part.

by nobbled Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:23 pm

The irony is that despite the foul being committed on an England player, the net beneficiary or beneficiaries of any ban will be England's opponents who won't have to play against an undoubtedly talented prop....or psycho stamper dependent on your viewpoint.

by MrsP Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:24 pm

I think that by the time Cole's foot hit the floor, Healy's foot was on top of Cole's boot.

It did start on his ankle though.

No one is disputing that it was illegal and wrong.

by Submachine Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:57 pm

Be gas if he got two weeks halved to one for good behaviour and didn't miss any games at all.

by Barney McGrew did it Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:26 pm

What Cole did is irrelevant wrt Healy's intent. Cole was illegally getting in the way and Healy could have responded in a number of ways. He could have run crying to the ref, he could have raked Cole, or knee-dropped him on the thigh, or confronted him when Cole got up with a smack in the hooter, or maybe a crafty Dylan-esque forearm smash. But no, he chose to use the approach that all rugby players are well aware of, and that’s the ankle stamp. Twice. And if you think the stamp was a clumsy way of moving Cole’s leg to a more convenient position…oh dear - the ball was already available.

Assessing intent is obviously difficult in these situations as only Healy knows that. The rest of us can only use our eyes to judge. Did he mean to end Cole’s career – no, surely no pro sportsman would do that. Did he mean to inflict damage – well I’m going to do what the citing panel will do and use the evidence of my eyes to judge that. With a bit of luck and common sense he’ll get a decent ban and we can all move on.

by gowershowerpower Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:28 pm

agreed

by John Cregan Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:24 pm

I think the intent was clear..........to inflict severe pain on Cole...........if Healy does not get 5+ weeks, it's pretty shameful............

I also get the impression from reading some of the posts here that a certain level of violence is acceptable on a rugby field still. Raking etc..............what Healy did was cowardly and i have heard no apology from him or Declan Kidney to date......................

by GunsGerms Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:35 pm

John Cregan wrote:I think the intent was clear..........to inflict severe pain on Cole...........if Healy does not get 5+ weeks, it's pretty shameful............

I also get the impression from reading some of the posts here that a certain level of violence is acceptable on a rugby field still. Raking etc..............what Healy did was cowardly and i have heard no apology from him or Declan Kidney to date......................

So you know exactly what was going on in his head is that right? You dont happen to know the lotto numbers for tomorrow nights lotto too do you?

by John Cregan Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:03 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
John Cregan wrote:I think the intent was clear..........to inflict severe pain on Cole...........if Healy does not get 5+ weeks, it's pretty shameful............

I also get the impression from reading some of the posts here that a certain level of violence is acceptable on a rugby field still. Raking etc..............what Healy did was cowardly and i have heard no apology from him or Declan Kidney to date......................

So you know exactly what was going on in his head is that right? You dont happen to know the lotto numbers for tomorrow nights lotto too do you?

Well, what was the intent then?? To stamp on the ground??

by Portnoy's Complaint Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:36 pm

From what MrsP says, then Healy should not only face a citing but should have conceded a penalty (reversed) for retaliation and the possible/probable concession of a further three points to Farrell's reliable boot.

by aucklandlaurie Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:30 pm

Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

by John Cregan Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:49 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

Dont start!!!!

by formerly known as Sam Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:09 pm

Cole was indeed slowing ball and had already conceded a penalty. Had Murray stepped over him and used his boot in a rucking motion to move Cole too get at the ball then I doubt we'd be having his conversation. Massive difference between that and running 5m to stamp down on someones ankle in an attempt to injure (given the location and mannee of the attack that is the most likely conclusion) another player.

The ref was there and should have dealt with the situation. A yc for Healy and a lecture too both captains about taking the law into their own hands. Instead England will see their competitors gain an advantage as Ireland have little depth at prop particularly those at Healy's level.

by majesticimperialman Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:14 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

No, well it wouldn't be would it? It was an Irish man doing it too an English man.

Not a Welsh man. Run

by Morgannwg Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:55 pm

Not a very good wum attempt maj to be honest. It seems your banter is non-existent just like your rugby knowledge.

by **Biltong** Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:08 pm

Morgannwg wrote:Not a very good wum attempt maj to be honest. It seems your banter is non-existent just like your rugby knowledge.

Come on morg, disagree with the comment, no need to attack a poster's rugby knowledge.

by Hound_of_Harrow Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:09 pm

Having seen numerous clips of the incident, if Healy thought Cole was preventing release then he could have just used his hands to move Cole's leg.

It would have been quicker than taking aim at Cole's leg with his boot.

Still, what's happened is done, so over to the citing panel.

by RubyGuby Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:10 pm

Biltong wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:Not a very good wum attempt maj to be honest. It seems your banter is non-existent just like your rugby knowledge.
Come on morg, disagree with the comment, no need to attack a poster's banter, I know he knows feck all about rugby but you could at least humour him.

by Guest Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:13 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

No, well it wouldn't be would it? It was an Irish man doing it too an English man.

Not a Welsh man.

Madge you do know tip tackles existed pre 2010?

Anyway how are you feeling Madge? England winning and all,you must feel 10ft tall,
because we all know how you love to confuse the achievements of the team you support as your own.

by Guest Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:17 pm

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:Having seen numerous clips of the incident, if Healy thought Cole was preventing release then he could have just used his hands to move Cole's leg.

It would have been quicker than taking aim at Cole's leg with his boot.

Still, what's happened is done, so over to the citing panel.

Completely disagree, what else maybe he should have asked Cole to move his leg?
lets remember Cole does this week in week out for his breakdown ruining Tigers team, Healy spotted it and sorted it out the right way.

Im imagine Healy is disappointed with himself for doing on such a big stage but im sure he wont lose any sleep over it.

by **Biltong** Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:20 pm

RubyGuby wrote:
Biltong wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:Not a very good wum attempt maj to be honest. It seems your banter is non-existent just like your rugby knowledge.
Come on morg, disagree with the comment, no need to attack a poster's banter, I know he knows feck all about rugby but you could at least humour him.

Man, I do have a way with words, don't I? Laugh

by majesticimperialman Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:20 pm

viewtothegym wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

No, well it wouldn't be would it? It was an Irish man doing it too an English man.

Not a Welsh man.
Madge you do know tip tackles existed pre 2010?

Anyway how are you feeling Madge? England winning and all,you must feel 10ft tall,
because we all know how you love to confuse the achievements of the team you support as your own.

View
I am feeling fine thank you.

No i do not feel 10ft tall to be honest. Yes i am glad that England have the first 2 games of the 6ns. But i am also weary enough to think that this come all come too an end in the next game. If we do not keep our selves well grounded.

And beside how are you feeling viewtothegym. Relieved i bet? That Wales have at leats broken the 8 game losing spell. Ale

by Barney McGrew did it Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:21 pm

He'll get plenty of time to sleep over the next 5 or 6 weeks

by **Biltong** Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:22 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
viewtothegym wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

No, well it wouldn't be would it? It was an Irish man doing it too an English man.

Not a Welsh man.
Madge you do know tip tackles existed pre 2010?

Anyway how are you feeling Madge? England winning and all,you must feel 10ft tall,
because we all know how you love to confuse the achievements of the team you support as your own.

View
I am feeling fine thank you.

No i do not feel 10ft tall to be honest. Yes i am glad that England have the first 2 games of the 6ns. But i am also weary enough to think that this come all come too an end in the next game. If we do not keep our selves well grounded.

And beside how are you feeling viewtothegym. Relieved i bet? That Wales have at leats broken the 8 game losing spell.

There is a bickering thread just in case you guys weren't aware of it. Wink

by Guest Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:27 pm

Biltong wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
viewtothegym wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Ah well at least it wasnt one of those tip tackle thingys.

No, well it wouldn't be would it? It was an Irish man doing it too an English man.

Not a Welsh man.
Madge you do know tip tackles existed pre 2010?

Anyway how are you feeling Madge? England winning and all,you must feel 10ft tall,
because we all know how you love to confuse the achievements of the team you support as your own.

View
I am feeling fine thank you.

No i do not feel 10ft tall to be honest. Yes i am glad that England have the first 2 games of the 6ns. But i am also weary enough to think that this come all come too an end in the next game. If we do not keep our selves well grounded.

And beside how are you feeling viewtothegym. Relieved i bet? That Wales have at leats broken the 8 game losing spell.
There is a bickering thread just in case you guys weren't aware of it.

Madge im straight sorry thanks thou. im off to find this bickering thread now.

by maestegmafia Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:21 pm

Biltong wrote:
RubyGuby wrote:
Biltong wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:Not a very good wum attempt maj to be honest. It seems your banter is non-existent just like your rugby knowledge.
Come on morg, disagree with the comment, no need to attack a poster's banter, I know he knows feck all about rugby but you could at least humour him.

Man, I do have a way with words, don't I?

Brilliant comment Bil, very funny...

by Hound_of_Harrow Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:22 pm

viewtothegym wrote:
Hound_of_Harrow wrote:Having seen numerous clips of the incident, if Healy thought Cole was preventing release then he could have just used his hands to move Cole's leg.

It would have been quicker than taking aim at Cole's leg with his boot.

Still, what's happened is done, so over to the citing panel.

Completely disagree, what else maybe he should have asked Cole to move his leg?
lets remember Cole does this week in week out for his breakdown ruining Tigers team, Healy spotted it and sorted it out the right way .

by neilthom7 Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:26 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:Cole was indeed slowing ball and had already conceded a penalty. Had Murray stepped over him and used his boot in a rucking motion to move Cole too get at the ball then I doubt we'd be having his conversation. Massive difference between that and running 5m to stamp down on someones ankle in an attempt to injure (given the location and mannee of the attack that is the most likely conclusion) another player.

The ref was there and should have dealt with the situation. A yc for Healy and a lecture too both captains about taking the law into their own hands. Instead England will see their competitors gain an advantage as Ireland have little depth at prop particularly those at Healy's level.

Well Ironically Ireland have 2 choices to take over from Healy. Kilcoyne has been on the bench is getting better in the scrum and is good around the field. If they choose Court then he is arguably better than Healy at scrumtime (when played at Loosehead before anyone starts) so we are looking fine for options, watch out Scotland

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:16 am

Well Im glad to see that this didnt descend into the usual troll fest ...oh wait ...

by dummy_half Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:04 pm

Do we know when the findings of the disciplinary panel are to be released?

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:10 pm

Or when is the hanging?!

Wink

by dummy_half Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:13 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Or when is the hanging?!

Surely that's only the sentence if he eats all the biscuits?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:28 pm

During the middle of warren gatlands next press conference in a desperate attempt to distract the medias attention probably

by dummy_half Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:49 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:During the middle of warren gatlands next press conference in a desperate attempt to distract the medias attention probably

From which though, Healy's suspension or Gatland's next foot in mouth comment? Wink

by MunsterMac Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:06 pm

Healy got a 3 week ban so will miss the Scotland match.

by asoreleftshoulder Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:08 pm

Way too short but pretty much in line with with the other lenient sentences players have been getting.

He'll miss the France match too won't he?

by MunsterMac Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:12 pm

He'll miss the France match too won't he?

No. There's another 2 week gap after the Scotland match.

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