Cian Healy - cited

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In other news the Pope is a Catholic (for now at least).

Espnscrum has the hearing set for Wednesday. Predictions on a post card. He may well live to regret a few moments of madness.

Very lucky so,should have been 6-8 weeks minimum imo but we'll take it,hopefully he'll learn his lesson.

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He's out of the France match,the sentence doesn't end til midnight 10th March

MunsterMac wrote:Healy got a 3 week ban so will miss the Scotland match.

I figured it would be two weeks but 3 is fair enough and about right based on precedent and good record. It would have been two if he was a Kiwi but we will take it.

Wonder if he will appeal?

so three weeks, or two matches. Should probably have been a little longer (I personally think he should have sat out the rest of the 6N), but sentences have been very lenient recently...

Biltong wrote:Wonder if he will appeal?

Doubt it.

BBC says banned until 10th March - back for Italy but missed scotland and france

Well given that the IRB mid range for pulling out a gun and shooting an opponent is 4 weeks, I think this will certainly give him pause for thought

Harsh,what next a ban for looking at someone the wrong way?

viewtothegym wrote:Harsh,what next a ban for looking at someone the wrong way?

viewtothegym wrote:Harsh,what next a ban for looking at someone the wrong way?

Two weeks.

That's what Etzebeth got for mimicking a headbutt and Sharpe made a big scene.

Remember Dom Day giving away a penalty for shouting whilst trying to charge down an Ulster player
Ref said it is bad sportsmanship trying to put him off.

Intentionally stamping on a joint and he takes a 3 week slap on the wrist, and last year Hartley got 8 weeks for putting a few dents in Ferris' finger when being fish hooked.

Utter Bullsh1t. Kian Stampy should be sitting out the whole 6N. Any calls of leniency of on English players from here on in can go take a running jump after this complete farce of a disciplinary.

Whatever happens both Healy and Cole are both shoe ins to be starting in the front row for the Lions. Excuse the intentional pun. What's the bets Gatland assigns them room mates for the tour. Wouldn't be surprised.

AlastairW wrote:Intentionally stamping on a joint and he takes a 3 week slap on the wrist, and last year Hartley got 8 weeks for putting a few dents in Ferris' finger when being fish hooked.

Utter Bullsh1t. Kian Stampy should be sitting out the whole 6N. Any calls of leniency of English players from here on in can go take a running jump.

Seriously Alastair. Firstly his name is Cian. Also no need to swap Stampy for his real surname which is funny enough when you consider what he did with his heel. Secondly how do you know what his intention was. Did you ask him?

Hartley got 8 weeks because he really is a scumbag and has many priors unlike Healy who has none. Really sometimes I feel this forum is just an outlet for some people to vent.

2 Games, Healey got 2 games ban. Disgusting in my opinion.

Does any body else think he got off lightly?

How can you expect young players coming through to think that this kind of be haver is ok? It is not ok and should of been made an example of.

Deffo should of got a longer ban IMHO.

viewtothegym wrote:Remember Dom Day giving away a penalty for shouting whilst trying to charge down an Ulster player
Ref said it is bad sportsmanship trying to put him off.

I remember that but I thought it was Martin Roberts. It was rather ridiculous. Considering he's almost certainly had a 2 or 3 week reduction means he really had 5-6 weeks. Done with

Yep he should have got a longer ban imo but not at all surprised that he didn't,the IRB have been handing out lenient bans for years now why would it change for this?

To be honest that is whatI expected him to get and actually suggested that earlier in the thread.

I think considering that the citing system has been very inconsistent there is really not much to complain about.

That idiot Greyling got two matches for attacking McCaw's head in the Rugby Championship last year.

Besides Healy does not have a reputation of being dirty from what I know.

I think the important thing here to remember is that if you are Irish you want to defend your players intentions and if you are English you are angry that it hasn't been more.

majesticimperialman wrote:2 Games, Healey got 2 games ban. Disgusting in my opinion.

Does any body else think he got off lightly?

How can you expect young players coming through to think that this kind of be haver is ok? It is not ok and should of been made an example of.

Deffo should of got a longer ban IMHO.

I must say based on precedent and Healy's good record the ban is harsh. Adam Thompson recently got two weeks for stamping on Alastair Stokoschs head. His original ban was also only 1 week. Personally I would much rather a stamp on my leg. Some of the comments are ridiculous. Has no one on this forum actually played rugby?

So Healy's stamp was mid-range. Any idea of what a high-end offence would be like?

3 weeks is what was expected. Just as long as he never lets a game get to him like that again. Needless to say I think he's lucky but what's done is done.

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:So Healy's stamp was mid-range. Any idea of what a high-end offence would be like?

Yes gouging or dropping someone on their head etc.

GunsGerms wrote:

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:So Healy's stamp was mid-range. Any idea of what a high-end offence would be like?

Yes gouging or dropping someone on their head etc.

Or being a scumbag apparently.

I meant a high-end stamping offence.

Same as Healy but with injury caused?
Same as Healy but to head/bollix?
Not the same as Healy at all?

GunsGerms wrote:

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:So Healy's stamp was mid-range. Any idea of what a high-end offence would be like?

Yes gouging or dropping someone on their head etc.

Isn't that an entirely separate offence to a stamp?

greytiger wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:So Healy's stamp was mid-range. Any idea of what a high-end offence would be like?

Yes gouging or dropping someone on their head etc.

Or being a scumbag apparently.

Correct. Though if you are a Kiwi like Thompson you can get 2 weeks for a head stamp. Interesting.

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:I meant a high-end stamping offence.

Same as Healy but with injury caused?
Same as Healy but to head/bollix?
Not the same as Healy at all?

Where would you rather receive a stamp. The head, the bollix or the leg? its not exactly hard to work out. Stamping on someone's face for example.

The offence could be anywhere on the body and could be low, mid or high... Depends on the intent, any injury, the outcome and if any mitigation circumstances are present.

So a stamp on the hand could be top end but a stamp on the face could be low end. But logic would tell that facial/head would be rated as much more dangerous than other areas.

Stupid thing is that the worst consequences of a head stamp dont bear thinking about - but assuming you dont crack a skull or blind someone faces and heads fix themselves surprisingly well. Leg joints is another matter

GunsGerms wrote:Whatever happens both Healy and Cole are both shoe ins to be starting in the front row for the Lions. Excuse the intentional pun. What's the bets Gatland assigns them room mates for the tour. Wouldn't be surprised.

Out of interest - do the Lions still have "room mates".

That was the way in amateur days but people on six figure salaries away on business tend to have their own rooms.

GunsGerms wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:2 Games, Healey got 2 games ban. Disgusting in my opinion.

Does any body else think he got off lightly?

How can you expect young players coming through to think that this kind of be haver is ok? It is not ok and should of been made an example of.

Deffo should of got a longer ban IMHO.

I must say based on precedent and Healy's good record the ban is harsh. Adam Thompson recently got two weeks for stamping on Alastair Stokoschs head. His original ban was also only 1 week. Personally I would much rather a stamp on my leg. Some of the comments are ridiculous. Has no one on this forum actually played rugby?

For gawd's sake, how often do we have to hear this dopey put-down on this forum. First it's a rugby forum so I'm guessing most have played some rugby. Second if people disagree with your opinion it doesn't mean they do it through ignorance. Speaking personally IMO the penalty was lenient (altho not surprising) based mostly on the potential of ankle stamping to cause medium/long-term damage to the player. Right I'm off to the naughty step for disagreeing with some of the experienced rugby types.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Way too short but pretty much in line with with the other lenient sentences players have been getting.

He'll miss the France match too won't he?

It proves what i've always suspected. A certain level of violence is accepted by those who govern rugby. A violent attack like this in another sport would be 6 months minimum..............

Yes they do have room mates.

I'm surprised by the 2 week ban. Seems inconsistent in terms of seriousness compared to others. I'd say it is worse than some of the accidental tip tackles which have attracted 5 or 6 week bans. Some of them have seemed to be genuine accidents of momentum/gravity. Not sure Healy's could every be mistaken as an accident?

But then, Hore only got 2 weeks for the Bradley Davies punch, so maybe leniency is the norm across the board these days.

He's done it to an Englishman

The hearing will be in Dublin

he has a good record

it seems a deliberate targeting of his opposite number

he's a handsome sort of chap

he's a handsome sort of chap

In effect, this is a four-week ban, running up until the end of the France game. Seems about right for a first offence about halfway up the stamping scale, if we view the case in isolation. If we compare it with other cases, it is, of course, a bit of a puzzle, but gut instinct says that this one is about right. One international would have been a bit derisory, the whole 6N a bit draconian, so they've pitched this one at the correct level. Credit where it's due.

Griff wrote:Yes they do have room mates.

I'm surprised by the 2 week ban. Seems inconsistent in terms of seriousness compared to others. I'd say it is worse than some of the accidental tip tackles which have attracted 5 or 6 week bans.

So basically you think it was worse than Adam Thompson's stamp which merited two weeks on appeal, on Alistar Strokosh's head in the AIs correct?

Don't think so, JC. It would have been a sending off and automatic three match ban in soccer, but that's about it. Not much difference in the way the codes react to this kind of thing. You've seen people like Roy Keane get much the same for trying to maim Haaland, I seem to remember.

I thought they were doing games rather than weeks now?

Effectively a 4 week ban which is fair enough according to present disciplinary standards.
Lot of gnashing of teeth on here by some. Healy isn't a dirty player (he's just a naughty boy), this was his first time up in front of the Disciplinary Committee, and so a little leniency was expected.
He will have learned from this....I hope...

GunsGerms wrote:

Griff wrote:Yes they do have room mates.

I'm surprised by the 2 week ban. Seems inconsistent in terms of seriousness compared to others. I'd say it is worse than some of the accidental tip tackles which have attracted 5 or 6 week bans.

So basically you think it was worse than Adam Thompson's stamp which merited two weeks on appeal, on Alistar Strokosh's head in the AIs correct?

Healy stamped with a fair bit more force than Thompson did, if I had to choose which one to be on the receiving end of I'd rather be Strokosh.

2 internationals is probably about right though given Healy's previous good record

Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure as confirmed by the fact that Healy did not in any way cause injury.

If the fact that the incident might have caused injury was taken to account then that evidence would most likely supercede any incident.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

GunsGerms wrote:

Griff wrote:Yes they do have room mates.

I'm surprised by the 2 week ban. Seems inconsistent in terms of seriousness compared to others. I'd say it is worse than some of the accidental tip tackles which have attracted 5 or 6 week bans.

So basically you think it was worse than Adam Thompson's stamp which merited two weeks on appeal, on Alistar Strokosh's head in the AIs correct?

I'm surprised by those too, and Hore's punch. Although Adam Thompson's was more of a graze to the face IMO, but we wont get into that.

Where my real surprise is that deliberate stamping is deemed so much 'better' than spear tackles, especially those that seem to be accidental. Not wanting to get into an argument, but I see no consistency when the likes of Lloyd Williams get 5 weeks for a fairly innocuous looking tip tackle. That should be 2 weeks too then, or both should be 5 weeks.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Don't think so, JC. It would have been a sending off and automatic three match ban in soccer, but that's about it. Not much difference in the way the codes react to this kind of thing. You've seen people like Roy Keane get much the same for trying to maim Haaland, I seem to remember.

I take that point. FA then increased ban on Keane by another 3 or 4 i think after he admitted he meant it!!(because it wasn't obvious in the first place??).

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

Maybe Cole should have been carded

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

Maes, you're plain wrong on this one. Healy's was a stupid, vicious stamp during a period where he seemed to lose it for a whole 10 minutes.

Hore had a mad rush to the head for a few seconds when Davies was obstructing him and stupidly punched when a push in the back would've been the smarter course. Hore's ban should've been longer, but Healy definitely deserves his

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

Illegally!!!

Maybe if Ronaldo dives "illegally" tonight, Ferdinand can hold him down and Rooney can put on his high steel studs and stamp down on his ankle joint, after strapping on about 6 stone of weights to himself.

"Illegally"!!.............you rugby people crack me up!!

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

I think you must have seen the wrong incident or something. It was miles from the ball, so couldn't have been accidental. Not sure how you prove intention, but a stamp on a prone ankle is not done to massage the opponent's aching joints. It was a miracle that it did not cause injury.

I'm one of Healy's biggest fans so don't want to see him being caught or getting banned, it's just that this particular incident I feel was serious and pretty bad.

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

Maes, you're plain wrong on this one. Healy's was a stupid, vicious stamp during a period where he seemed to lose it for a whole 10 minutes.

Hore had a mad rush to the head for a few seconds when Davies was obstructing him and stupidly punched when a push in the back would've been the smarter course. Hore's ban should've been longer, but Healy definitely deserves his

Couldn't disagree more Pete..!

The I consent has been replayed a thousand times and it is evident that Healy and POM were there to help Murray move the ball that Cole was ILLEGALLY in-hindering.

Griff wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Pretty Harsh on Healy considering the incident...! It is hard to deny that the English media baying for Healy's blood had no influence.

Some articles on Sundays game in England were atrocious when discussing incident.

Good player, one of the best in the world, with no history of misdemeanours caught in a situation that the oppositions media portrayed far from reality.

The difference between this and Hore's incident was that this was not off the ball, didn't look as though it was intended to injure and did not in any way injury.

Healy was just trying to stop Cole from behaving illegally.

I think you must have seen the wrong incident or something. It was miles from the ball, so couldn't have been accidental. Not sure how you prove intention, but a stamp on a prone ankle is not done to massage the opponent's aching joints. It was a miracle that it did not cause injury.

I'm one of Healy's biggest fans so don't want to see him being caught or getting banned, it's just that this particular incident I feel was serious and pretty bad.

Here is the video of the incident again.

https://youtu.be/teqizuet-ck


The ball is definitely not cleared until Healy moves Coles leg so that Murray can get it out.