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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


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Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:13 pm

Really poor from Care

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:14 pm

Oh no Lawes is on

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:17 pm

Tuilagi has been awful so far

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Post by prop_lyd Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:18 pm

Dare I say it....booooooom!! Run
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:21 pm

So poor this week, even Robshaw not great.

Impressed with Mako though

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:22 pm

Not watched the game. How has Mako gone?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:24 pm

Really well tbh, Marler just on and we smashed scrum

Youngs looking class above Care straight away

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:27 pm

What difference has Youngs brought then to show hes a class above Care in the 5 minutes hes been on?

Mako been good around the park but first scrum with Marler on and the Italians were put on their asses

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:30 pm

Passing, kicking, decision making lol

Sorry Johnny, thought Care was poor

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:33 pm

Apart from one dodgy kick Care wasn't bad. Haven't seen Youngs do anything since he has come on let alone show he is a class ahead of Care. We have been camped in our own half most the time!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:33 pm

Happy to disagree mate

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:37 pm

Tuilagi, made all his tackles, defended well just doesnt get any attacking ball to work with as Flood and Barritt dont ever work as a combo.

Its really odd as Barritt seems to always raise his game when he plays next to Farrell, seems to attack more, but he's been the worst back for us today, no attacking flair at all.

This has been such a poor performance overall - only guys who have done well are Dan Cole, Vunipola and Ben Youngs since he's come on. We just dont know how to attack or score tries.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:37 pm

No worries mate overall this has been a pish poor performance. So much for all Lancasters talk of no complacency during the week!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:38 pm

Flood has been awful today - we dont deserve to win this.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:39 pm

Tuilagi has had the ball a few times Chris. Canale has just marshaled him very very well. We are in real trouble right now

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:40 pm

Phew!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:41 pm

Tuilagi has been really bad, had loads of ball.

Great defence there

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:43 pm

Poor kick from Flood. Don't think hes been that bad overall but kicking from hand hasn't been great.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:44 pm

Been a general poor display

Parisse has been top

Agree Johnny, he's done ok.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:44 pm

Hartley?!?! Get him off!!!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:45 pm

Yeah I said that earlier SJE, the Italian defence have done a number on him today, but we arent using him at all like we should do, no one has put a single one of our backs into space or created anything.

None of our forwards seemed to carry the ball well today either, Launchbury been very quiet today.

Parisse has been immense today, think he's my favourite player to watch in world rugby.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:47 pm

Heart in the mouth there as Brown lost that. Hes had a terrible game today on defence!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:48 pm

Parisse was outstanding.

We really didn't turn up 1-15

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:49 pm

Very good performance by Italy there, defensively brilliant against us - we didnt deserve that there.

We are such an odd team at the moment, thought after the Scotland game we were going to be playing much more expansive rugby. Just wish we went for a few more attacking threats in the backline.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:50 pm

Was very impressed with Masi as well for the Italians. He would be my man of the match. Parisse gets all the praise but Zanni was just as good if not better for the Italians

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:53 pm

James Gaskell was maginificent at the breakdown for Sale today. So effective for such a big man!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:56 pm

Masi has been Wasps best player this season, we play so much better with him.

We just didnt seem to carry enough of the ball and do the hard yards today, really odd performance from us.

Need Farrell back I think, and Youngs to start. Not sure what other changes there would be - like Woodwards team there, good point on Goode!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:03 pm

Youngs & Farrell our clear first choice combo.

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Post by stnick88 Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:14 pm

Tuilagi did nothing badly but wasn't effective. Didn't have a bad game though. Barritt I thought was poor, a lot of attacks seem to stop with him

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:14 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Wasn't great, big attacking threat though

Really?????
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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:25 pm

What did people think of Woodwards team at the end he mentioned?

1. Mako
2. Youngs
3. Cole
4. Launch
5. Parling
6. Croft
7. Robshaw
8. Wood
9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. May
12. Twelvetrees
13. Tuilagi
14. Ashton
15. Brown

Can't see Lancaster making the changes and he will start the same team he picked for France and Ireland games, with just Youngs and Farrell coming back.

I'd probably agree with the team, but Barritt could be needed in defence next week! Just need some blooming creativity in the backline.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:27 pm

Good side on paper.

Flood attacked well, we had stacks of chances 1st half but messed them up

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:39 pm

I can't agree that Flood attacked well. He took some poor options, gave some poor ball and missed touch from penalties twice in the first half. He also got held up after butchering about an 8 on 2 overlap. I thought he was poor.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:40 pm

Wade ahead of May. May's defence has been dreadful when I've seen him

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Post by prop_lyd Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:44 pm

Got a feeling the game is going to be close next week! Glad I've got my ticket now, atmosphere may challenge wales v oz in 2007 world cup there!!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:45 pm

With you there Steve despite my love of his attacking.

I don't think Flood was poor, more a collective poor tbh.

Pack really didn't show up that well as a unit, we lacked cohesion & execution throughout the team rather than any massive individual poor performances.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:48 pm

Agree completely with you about Flood Pete, his management of the game was poor, butchered chances and missing 3 penalties to touch stopped us having some great attacking chances early on.

Steve I thunk I would prefer May ahead of Wade when he'd be up against North or Cuthburt. Think May has been better last few weeks.

Should be a belter of a game next week.

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:55 pm

Goode offers nothing in attack whatsoever and his defence laughable. Robshaw saved a try as Goode missed another one on one

Flood was simply awful today everything so telegraphed however as a starter I would have him over burns.

As a bench player flood offers nowt. Biggest winner today Farrell as flood killf
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:56 pm

He is a wonderful attacker but his defending can be weak. Problem is if he bulks up he is likely to lose pace and running style will be affected.

Only real decisions for England for me is Marler or Mako and Youngs or Hartley. Farrell plays if fit if not Flood does.


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Post by Guest Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:00 pm

Mat is a terrific defender one on one. Like a lot of smaller wings he clings on to big runners and has to go low.

May is positionally superb having played 10,11,13,13,14,15 means he has awareness and also a cracking boot.

For me may will win 50 caps and be a fixture for England .

Wade has no kicking game and is often out of position.
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Post by Fluxy Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:02 pm

Matt - you can't state that someone was awful and then say he should start over someone else!

There were some positives from that game. I was happy with the result, and was no less surprised by the result/performance. Italy were in the mood to make it a fight and we can't play like we have been every week, especially for such an inexperienced side. Its a lesson and those boys will learn from it.

No drastic changes for next week, would only like to Faz and Youngs come back in and maybe Brown moved to Fullback. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw that move over the summer.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:02 pm

Yea Mays defence is his major downfall, some attacker though.

Goode defended well, remember Tuilagi & Ashton I think missing their man and Goode sorting out.

Nothing in attack/laughable defence is some great judgment.

I'd prob go Brown at FB tbh but who at wing???

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:03 pm

Just ignore him Flux, he's on one.

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:03 pm

May not mat sorry I am awful one on one vs wingers due to being 17 stone lol

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:04 pm

May defence the only thing stopping him from world domination!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:04 pm

Goode is best positionally but would agree with you on his attack Mat and the number of tackles he gets bumped off in - isnt good enough at international level. Don't think he is fast enough or physical enough. Clever player though.

Flood can't manage games, kicking from the tee is great these days, but I don't think he's got the mentality to be a top class international 10. Would still have him on the bench for next week as Burns form been off.

Lancaster needs to sort out that backline.

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Post by Fluxy Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:06 pm

Chris/Mat - you could argue the same with Ashton's awful tackling. In my mind in the summer tour, both wing positions are up for competition.

Burns has been injured! He was in sparkling form before that!

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:08 pm

Flux

My point is burns not stable enough to
Start yet flood will not change a game.

Flood was shocking today yet has more experience and a better head if needed to start in Wales. Burns can win a match off the bench as he is dynamic. Flood Is Not dynamic in anyway.


Flood played a lot of big games so a better
Starting option despite being a poor player . Andy Goode a better stating option than burns in Wales as it needs a ten with experience or steel.
As much as I love burns I think he lacks composure that comes
With experience. Farrell is a freak mentally and has ice in his veins

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Post by Guest Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:10 pm

Burns been great Fluxy and I am a glos fan never said he was out of
Form. Have often given Steve wins due to burns

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Chris/Matt won't knock each others player Flux! Howay man, the click is strong!

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