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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


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Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:22 pm

Flux, agree with you about Ashton's defence.

Trouble that England have is that we don't put our danger players into space - how many times is Ashton put into try scoring opportunities. Until we get a better 10/12 channel in terms of creativity I wonder how many tries we'd get even with Wade or May.

Brown deserves a chance at fb, he's wasted on the wing for me.

As well as Wood is playing as a makeshift no8 it would be so good to have Morgan back!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:23 pm

And Pooly, I don't see the need to knock Mat's players, you do enough of that for all of us Run

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:28 pm

Wood been immense but we missed Morgan's go forward. Morgan like pickles in that they are not technically great 8s and have a low defensive work rate but their carrying and go forward can define a team. Big fan of both

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Post by Fluxy Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:32 pm

Also as a step forward, Lawes needs to be dropped out. Never really impressed me. Athletic yes, but not useful can't carry and always looks for the big smash. As for a decent bench option, I would look towards either Kruis or Savage perhaps at a push.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:34 pm

Flux, think you miss out the defensive and lineout work that Lawes puts in - didnt look for big hits today, stole a great lineout and has played well in all games where he was a lock.

Just doesnt carry well enough, but for me makes up for that with his tackling, physicality and breakdown work. Good player off the bench, but Launch better than him now.

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Post by Fluxy Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:37 pm

But someone who is equally adept at the lineout and even a bit more Kruis can offer more around the park.

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Post by stnick88 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:40 pm

Garvey anyone?!

i wouldnt look at major changes for next week, maybe croft in for haskell.

for the summer though we need more threat out wide and i think brown should be our FB. runs well from deep, beats men and makes yards.

12T / Tuilagi combo needs a proper chance also.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:41 pm

Think lawes light years ahead of kruis who plays more 6.

The examples of michalak and lawes out of position show we should pick players in their right positions.

To be fair michalak is a poor 9 so how they think he will be a good ten is beyond anyone bar psa.


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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:43 pm

stnick88 wrote:Garvey anyone?!

i wouldnt look at major changes for next week, maybe croft in for haskell.

for the summer though we need more threat out wide and i think brown should be our FB. runs well from deep, beats men and makes yards.

12T / Tuilagi combo needs a proper chance also.

Agree with all that bar Garvey. Think savage is better than Garvey but neither international class.

Both top ap players. Savage young enough to kick on.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:44 pm

Wait for him to be first choice for Sarries and then consider for England, as in the big games you still get Botha and Borthwick as their first choice.

For me you need an impact bench and Lawes is an impact player - did very well when he came on against Ireland (until he knocked himself out!).

There are some good locks coming through, Kruis definitely one to watch for sure. He could become a very good lineout leader, but you also have Garvey at Irish, who was great against Wasps a few weeks ago. Seen that Charlie Matthews has been coming on nicely at Quins too, should be a starter for them next season!


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Post by Fluxy Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:45 pm

These are only suggestions for the summer tour and beyond.

Launchberry plays quite a few of his games at 6. It shows they have the right dynamism if they can pull off both.

He hasn't been half bad for Toulon. But does look half baked for France.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 6:53 pm

Haskell does make a big difference at the breakdown, saw it as soon as he came off that we struggled more there.

Think if you have Croft in a team he needs to start though, as Haskell a very good bench option.

Be interesting to see what happens on the summer tour, will be quite a few English players going on tour with the Lions. Think Daly will get his chance, no idea where his best position is now though!

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Post by Fluxy Sun 10 Mar 2013, 7:03 pm

I'd like Daly to stick to 13. Remember watching at the Rec two years ago for England U20's at putting four tries on Italy. Could be a good option alongside Manu if he moved in.


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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 7:06 pm

Daly for me looks a back 3 player. Can't see him gaining the size.

Always thought may would be a 13 but they could not get any bulk on him
So abandoned him playing there and changed where he bad played all his life

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 7:32 pm

How tall is May? Looks quite a big bloke.

Daly has only just turned 20, he could bulk up - if Wasps conditioning coaches can get Billy V off burgers and make him lose 3 stone of fat then I am sure we can bulk up Daly.

Glad he's on the England radar.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Mar 2013, 7:49 pm

Daley has looked one of best players when playing for Saxons, not sure if he's got physicality for Int yet though. Good gas and step tho

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:00 pm

Youngs justified selection. 2nd highest carrier behind Robshaw and one lineout miss. Did Hartley touch the ball when he came on?
Get Croft involved. And Twelvetrees. Hope Farrell is fit and get him and Youngs back.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:02 pm

May Is about 6ft 1-2 and 14 and a bit stone. Was not even 13 stone last year and now quicker In 10-20-30 and 40 metre sprints.
Glos along with England sports science people concluded that 14 and a half - 15 was as big as he could get without losing his X factor and actually struggled
To get to 14 so centre was abandoned.

Think long term 15 or 14 is his position. Always thought 13/12 previously due to his distribution and kicking but speaking to glos staff have revised this

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:06 pm

Think youngs better as a sub

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/9920999/Six-Nations-2013-England-v-Italy-player-ratings.html

This is pretty accurate. Thought Goode was maybe a 4 instead of a 5 but rest accurate.

Thought care lacked control compared to young and mako not fit for 80 minutes.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:06 pm

Youngs put in a shift luke, and appears to be improving all the time which is good. Still a long way from the finished article, but is there on merit at the moment. Not sure why the need for the dig at Hartley though. He came on for 8 minutes when England were defending for their lives, not really much opportunity for him to touch the ball, as Italy had it for about 6 of the 8 mintes he was on, and the other 2 it was either flying of B. Youngs boot or being spilled by an England back.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:08 pm

Interesting ratings Mat. Not sure how they give Parisse a 9 and Zanni only a 6. I suspect a bit of man love towards Parisse has swayed that as I thought Zanni was only marginally behind him in terms of performance today.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:10 pm

Fair enough point Pete. Just don't think he offers anywhere near what Youngs does.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:11 pm

Agree Pete. I have said I don't rate us quite a bit but have been happy to be proved wrong. Today was the performance that matched how I viewed our
Team on the world stage.
Ie lacking inspiration and not
Clinical.

Can't wait to go to the Wales game . Not
Confident of winning though but am generally nervous about England. Think poor
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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:16 pm

LukeLovesLuka wrote:Fair enough point Pete. Just don't think he offers anywhere near what Youngs does.

If you wanted to win a game then you would not gamble on youngs. His lineout is wayward. Evidenced by his tournament stats.

I like him as a wrecking ball sub but even dan cole describes him as a bit of a dumbo and he does not play intelligently. He comes in from the side so often and can see him costing us the match.

Lineout after turnover best source of possession so best and youngs with their dodgy darts would not
Work for me for lions.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:17 pm

I love having impact subs and think youngs could be a real game changer for England like he was vs France

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:20 pm

We looked to me like a team who thought we only had to play at 80% to win comfortably. Hopefully today has been a reality check for them. I thought we lacked a lot of creativity, and I have to lay a lot of the blame for that with Care and Flood, who I thought were poor in terms of both ideas and execution.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:25 pm

Think Parisse gets the extra ratings because of the flicks and passes he does - thought Zanni was very good today.

Youngs has improved so much over last 12 months, and to think he's gone from being a centre to international hooker is amazing. Not sure if that has been done before?

Would still prefer Hartley to start and then Youngs to perform like he did against the French.

Our bench has been winning us games this 6Nations - I'd like to see Youngs, Mako (dont think he's fit enough to start games), Wilson, Lawes, Haskell, Care, Burns and Foden on the bench.

Backline for me would be Youngs, Farrell, Ashton, 36, Tuilagi, May and Brown - get some creativity in the 12 and left wing shirts!

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:28 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:We looked to me like a team who thought we only had to play at 80% to win comfortably. Hopefully today has been a reality check for them. I thought we lacked a lot of creativity, and I have to lay a lot of the blame for that with Care and Flood, who I thought were poor in terms of both ideas and execution.

Agree youngs is nailed on for 9. Wish care had played with Farrell as flood offered nowt . Everything he did was so telegraphed. Must have been a dream to defend against flood. His lack of pace and dreadful step inside move is like watching a man in quicksand/

They say the sign of a good team is when they win playing badly. Hope
This applies to us!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:29 pm

Out of interest any of you on here have any sports nutrition, personal trainer type stuff before?

I'm doing a series of charity challenges at the end of September, which includes a cycle to Rome, swimming the Channel and doing a 50km run and could really use some advice on the nutrition side of things and working out a training programme so it doesn't actually kill me.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:30 pm

For me the backline against Wales should be Brown, Ashton, Tuilagi, Barritt, May, Farrell, Youngs.

Whilst Barritt has his limitations, I want his defensive abilities in there against Wales. It will be a game of small margins, and I think he will do a decent job for us there. Long term I want to see Twelvetrees given a run in the jersey, but next weekend isn't the time for me.
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Post by Driver Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:31 pm

Watch Rocky, that should help.
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:32 pm

Would agree with that Pete, sad earlier that we need Barritts defensive skills next weekend, especially when you ahve the like of Roberts, North and Cuthburt to stop.

Definitely need Farrell back as I think he can beat Biggar, who i havent been overly impressed with so far this 6Nations.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:32 pm

Will do Driver! Apart from the last one.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:33 pm

anonmattyt wrote:
Ozzy3213 wrote:We looked to me like a team who thought we only had to play at 80% to win comfortably. Hopefully today has been a reality check for them. I thought we lacked a lot of creativity, and I have to lay a lot of the blame for that with Care and Flood, who I thought were poor in terms of both ideas and execution.

Agree youngs is nailed on for 9. Wish care had played with Farrell as flood offered nowt . Everything he did was so telegraphed. Must have been a dream to defend against flood. His lack of pace and dreadful step inside move is like watching a man in quicksand/

They say the sign of a good team is when they win playing badly. Hope
This applies to us!

I said exactly this whilst watching the game. I also thought the service first from Care, and then at times in turn from Flood, was pretty poor overall. With the possession and territory that we had first half, we should have been about 20 points ahead, and had that have been the case, Italy would have folded second half.
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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:35 pm

The maximuscle products are great Chris. Really help the recovery.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 10 Mar 2013, 9:13 pm

Mat, is that effectively a protein supplement?

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 10 Mar 2013, 9:26 pm

So this week.................is it basically anything I write will be ignored or shut down Wales boxing Wink
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 10 Mar 2013, 9:33 pm

Sorry, did somebody say something? Wink
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Post by prop_lyd Sun 10 Mar 2013, 9:37 pm

It's fine I'll take you all on!! Think the big thing for us is whether Geth's fit again as Dan Cole will wrap up Paul James I think. Surprised at how good Hibbard is after finally seeing him do stuff yesterday. Ken Owens is your perfect impact sub as well, really rate him.

My main concern is the Biggar-Roberts link up as Biggar hardly distributed any ball to Roberts and, as you guys have mentioned, we need to use Roberts to target Barritt and take him out of the defensive line.

I can't wait for it....atmosphere will be amazing!!
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Post by Driver Sun 10 Mar 2013, 9:40 pm

Talking to yourself again pete?
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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 10:06 pm

Prop the good thing is that if we lose we will probably win the championship.

I am starting off with a nice lunch at miller
And carter in the bay and then drinking furiously.

We had tickets to the official union lunch but tickets said no England shirts allowed. Done the same in Ireland France and England and never been an issue and encouraged rivalry and great Craic.

Really disappointing the welsh Rfu have done this. They did not do it when ireland was in town this year. Basically not rugby spirit and think more may come if it In the media. Typical small mindedness that ruins welsh rugby

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 10 Mar 2013, 10:47 pm

I'm always disappointed with the WRU!! Keep you eye out for me at the match fella, I'll be wearing a Wales top, should be easy to spot. Think I'm on the 22 lower tier.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Mar 2013, 10:57 pm

Wales only need to win by 7 which is pretty doable

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 11:10 pm

Gate 7 u27 Is my set up prop. In the gods. Got loads of better tickets In 2s but also got a block of. 6 so went for best Craic in a group

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 10 Mar 2013, 11:12 pm

there's 2 of us rugby boys with our other halves going. ours I think are gate 3 l21 i think!!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 11 Mar 2013, 8:51 am

PR team of the week

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_8556405,00.html

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Post by Guest Mon 11 Mar 2013, 8:55 am

Venditti impresses every time I see him. Italy did well but to have that many in team of week is maybe a bit reactionary

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 11 Mar 2013, 9:27 am

Bad showing for other 13's if Tuilagi is mentioned, he was really quiet.

Fair play on Mako & Youngs, they were probably the pick of the starters. We seem to drop a level as soon as Hartley comes on. The scrum looked weaker and he fluffed his first line out which is apparently his strength??

T Youngs is really impressing

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Post by stnick88 Mon 11 Mar 2013, 9:31 am

I thought Mako was our best player. And Marler did well when he came on. Strong position with Corbs potentially to come back at some point.


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Post by Fluxy Mon 11 Mar 2013, 10:27 am

Wonder if we would see and English prop try and get another nationalty through residency? At loose head we are flush with options and potential players;

Corbs
Marler
Mako
Mullan
Wood
Cowan Dickie
Waller
Hepburn

Not exactly in that order but just off the top of my head.

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