Declan Kidney- IRFU decide not to renew contract

by GoodinTightSpaces Tue 02 Apr 2013, 4:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

Declan Kidney has been sacked.

The search for a new ireland coach begins.

Les Kiss appointed interm coach. is this an interview for the top job. what can the IRFU learn about him during a tour to the states?
http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/28869.php

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 8:53 am

Have you a link for that clive?

by clivemcl Thu 04 Apr 2013, 9:26 am

I guess it must be in this somewhere. It was said on Radio Ulster Sports News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dq8AM4hgvk

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:03 am

He didn't exactly say Kidney lost his job because he picked Jackson. He didn't actually remotely suggest that.

Now come on guys. That's a tabloid version of what he said and I heard the same misquoting going on last night.

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:05 am

He said we'd have beaten Scotland if he'd have been selected instead of Jackson. That's enough to confirm what most have known for years...he's a deluded and classless muppet.

by **Notch** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:09 am

He does come across as an unlikeable pr!ck every time he opens his mouth. Fair to say if he was half the player he thinks he is... he's been killing Munster this season in attack. Absolutely killing them

by theslosty Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:14 am

rodders wrote:He said we'd have beaten Scotland if he'd have been selected instead of Jackson. That's enough to confirm what most have known for years...he's a deluded and classless muppet.

At what point did he say that?

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:24 am

theslosty wrote:
rodders wrote:He said we'd have beaten Scotland if he'd have been selected instead of Jackson. That's enough to confirm what most have known for years...he's a deluded and classless muppet.

At what point did he say that?

Its reported on RTE...presumed Clive's link is the same interview? Says he could have done the job against Scotland and Kidney could have walked off into the sun or something to that effect, that Kidney made the wrong call bringing in the young guys and that cost him his job.

by red_stag Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:25 am

He said he was a better option than Jackson for the Scotland game.

That was all from what I heard. Didn't say anything about Kidneys job or that they would have beaten Scotland.

by theslosty Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:28 am

rodders wrote:
theslosty wrote:
rodders wrote:He said we'd have beaten Scotland if he'd have been selected instead of Jackson. That's enough to confirm what most have known for years...he's a deluded and classless muppet.

At what point did he say that?

Its reported on RTE...presumed Clive's link is the same interview? Says he could have done the job against Scotland and Kidney could have walked off into the sun or something to that effect, that Kidney made the wrong call bringing in the young guys and that cost him his job.

Hmmm... I agree that he did seem pretty arrogant and certainly deluded of his own abilities, but I'm not sure "doing a job" means winning a game.
Maybe he did mean that. Perhaps he did not.

by ME-109 Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:30 am

Oh jebus here we go again...

ROG backed himself by saying he thought he was the better pick than Jackson for the Scotland game. What do you want him to say ffs.

Also Notch what a completely stupid comment to make. You know about as much about ROG as you know about Rugby....or about how Munster have played with or without him.

We wouldn't be in the QFs except for his experience full stop. As has been noted by others attacking wise Munster haven't exactly been great (funnily enough this also occurs when he isn't playing). Keatley makes far too many mistakes that cost us scores and in tight games that's an issue.

So p.ss off and worry about Norn Iron and the Saffa contingent in the QF and let us worry about our own. As for Rodders he still thinks Ian Humphreys was a great OH so nothing to worry about there.

Cool

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:34 am

He says "I thought I would have done the job against Scotland at least that way you can walk into the sunshine happy" ... that he "was the better option".

He also claims to be one of 10 people who created the path for Irish teams to win the HEC.

What a deluded and bitter individual he is. Niall O'Connor has more class in his big toe.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:36 am

rodders wrote:

Its reported on RTE...presumed Clive's link is the same interview? Says he could have done the job against Scotland and Kidney could have walked off into the sun or something to that effect, that Kidney made the wrong call bringing in the young guys and that cost him his job.

????????????????????????? Rodders. Are you wumming? Did you listen to the interview?

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:37 am

This is what he said:

O’Gara feels that, given the circumstances, he should have started.

"I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy" - Ronan O'Gara

He said: “Obviously, I probably thought for the Scottish game I was the better option but that would change in the summer time with the new boys being promoted and that’s what I would have backed as well.

“But for a crucial away game, I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy but that’s the way it goes.

“I was disappointed at the time, gutted at the time.”

Obviously, some can't deal with people being honest.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:38 am

Wow...let the bitter times roll all round as Ireland lulls in purgatory waiting for its new coaches. The gloves are off...players AND fans are going to release some pent up steam now!

606v2 should be good reading in the next few months.. Wink

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:41 am

rodders wrote:He says "I thought I would have done the job against Scotland at least that way you can walk into the sunshine happy" ... that he "was the better option".

He also claims to be one of 10 people who created the path for Irish teams to win the HEC.

What a deluded and bitter individual he is. Niall O'Connor has more class in his big toe.

Well, if you'd have to admit that Ulster's early efforts in the Heineken Cup didn't go very far.

Full quote:

“The easy thing for players coming in now is that they expect to win Heineken Cup buts there were about 10 people in Irish rugby who created that path.

"It’s easy to repeat the foray, the trek to the North Pole [but] it’s the first fellas that did it is what I take pride in, that’s what motivates me, consistently delivering week-in, week-out," he added.

by ME-109 Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:41 am

Sin é wrote:This is what he said:

O’Gara feels that, given the circumstances, he should have started.

"I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy" - Ronan O'Gara

He said: “Obviously, I probably thought for the Scottish game I was the better option but that would change in the summer time with the new boys being promoted and that’s what I would have backed as well.

“But for a crucial away game, I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy but that’s the way it goes.

“I was disappointed at the time, gutted at the time.”

Obviously, some can't deal with people being honest.

Yeah well mealy mouthed interpretation of comments and twisting things are something those across the border are experts at Rolling Eyes

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:42 am

to be fair there is alot of miss quoting going on. Media general make senstionalist headlines to get punters to read their articles.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:46 am

Sin é wrote:This is what he said:

O’Gara feels that, given the circumstances, he should have started.

"I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy" - Ronan O'Gara

He said: “Obviously, I probably thought for the Scottish game I was the better option but that would change in the summer time with the new boys being promoted and that’s what I would have backed as well.

“But for a crucial away game, I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy but that’s the way it goes.

“I was disappointed at the time, gutted at the time.”

Obviously, some can't deal with people being honest.

I was going to do the same "I obviously thought" highlights of the real speech...you beat me to it , Sin.

The interview was conducted - O'Gara was the interviewee. Therefore it was his opinions that were wanted, both his feeling then and his reflections now. His thoughts - not Jackson's thoughts or Kidney's thoughts - His. And the media like interviewing him for the very fact that he gives his genuine thoughts - unlike many. What was the 6N experience for him, was the question. He felt he would have been a better option.

What did people expect him to say? Had Jackson been interviewed, and had he been honest, would he have come publically to the conclusion that O'Gara would have been better on the day? Like hell he would. Jackson is a player who feels he can do the business. O'Gara (whatever we think of him) believes he can do the business too. That's his right to think it - and say it, if asked.

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:49 am

SecretFly wrote:
rodders wrote:

Its reported on RTE...presumed Clive's link is the same interview? Says he could have done the job against Scotland and Kidney could have walked off into the sun or something to that effect, that Kidney made the wrong call bringing in the young guys and that cost him his job.

????????????????????????? Rodders. Are you wumming? Did you listen to the interview?

No and No.... but I've long know ROG is a muppet so a few paraphrases are enough for me..... Whistle

If Niall O'Connor was a mouthy cork man he'd have 70 caps, fact. He could do everything ROG could do except blow his own trumpet.

by GunsGerms Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:49 am

DOD wrote:
Sin é wrote:This is what he said:

O’Gara feels that, given the circumstances, he should have started.

"I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy" - Ronan O'Gara

He said: “Obviously, I probably thought for the Scottish game I was the better option but that would change in the summer time with the new boys being promoted and that’s what I would have backed as well.

“But for a crucial away game, I thought I would have done the job against Scotland, and then at least you can walk off into the sunshine happy but that’s the way it goes.

“I was disappointed at the time, gutted at the time.”

Obviously, some can't deal with people being honest.
Yeah well mealy mouthed interpretation of comments and twisting things are something those across the border are experts at

Typical O'Gara selfishness. Its no wonder some people dont like him. First thing you learn when you play a team sport is to back your fellow players. If you arent good enough to start and someone gets picked ahead of you show some support.

In anycase when O'Gara came on he unequivocally proved to us all that he wasnt good enough to start. Jackson is a much better player now.

by red_stag Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:52 am

Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:56 am

DOD wrote:
Yeah well mealy mouthed interpretation of comments and twisting things are something those across the border are experts at

Is this the Korean border you are referring to DOD?

by GunsGerms Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:01 pm

red_stag wrote:Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

ROG has a history of putting himself before the team. There are so many examples the whole debate is boring now. Drico has been a consumate professional for most his career and yes he could have handled the Heaslip captaincy better but he isnt in the same league of utter selfishness that ROG is in.

If Madigan said that then he would be an idiot because every player bar ROG knows you make your statements on the field as Madigan has been doing.

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:03 pm

red_stag wrote:Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

The captaincy was a totally different scenario.

If Madigan had of said the same the yes, here's another serious question - name me another player who has suggested they would have won a game if they'd have been picked instead of a fellow player?

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:09 pm

rodders wrote:
DOD wrote:
Yeah well mealy mouthed interpretation of comments and twisting things are something those across the border are experts at

Is this the Korean border you are referring to DOD?

Just to nip things in the bud lads, can everyone lay off the personal stuff, if I have to sort out some sectarian and or cross-border rubbish I will be very grumpy.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:10 pm

GunsGerms wrote:

If Madigan said that then he would be an idiot because every player bar ROG knows you make your statements on the field as Madigan has been doing.

Why are we talking about this this morning? Because we like when players talk too. It completes a picture and adds bite. And despite our protests, we all like bite and a little controversy.

So if a player makes a statement - yeah, a field will do - but a microphone stuck into your face is another good reason. Afterall, the microphone is there because there is a market for player interviews...especially ones like old reliable O'Gara gives Wink

I like guys who tell the truth at interview... we're all adults, we can handle it. O'Gara, Venter when he had his media run-in..I like it. But I suppose some people prefer a pre-packaged IRFU controlled sing song of "Yeah No"s

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:13 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
red_stag wrote:Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

ROG has a history of putting himself before the team. There are so many examples the whole debate is boring now. Drico has been a consumate professional for most his career and yes he could have handled the Heaslip captaincy better but he isnt in the same league of utter selfishness that ROG is in.

If Madigan said that then he would be an idiot because every player bar ROG knows you make your statements on the field as Madigan has been doing.

No he does not have a history of putting himself before the team. No one would have survived for so long in the same team or made 3 Lions Tours if that was the case. Ugo Monye on O'Gara yesterday talking about the Lions Tour in 2009:

Which players did I learn from on that tour? Well Ronan O’Gara is one of the players I respect more than anyone. He is so honest and will put his hand up when he has a bad game. He works hard, is incredibly professional and as a winger if you’re not on your game he will make you look stupid.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:13 pm

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Just to nip things in the bud lads, can everyone lay off the personal stuff, if I have to sort out some sectarian and or cross-border rubbish I will be very grumpy.

Everytime Rodders and DOD speak, there's a border between them. Reality exists.............. and it's many things but 'rubbish' it ain't.

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:14 pm

where did you see that quote Sine

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:where did you see that quote Sine

The Examiner:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/ogara-fan-monye-motivated-by-prospects-of-lions-place-227209.html

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:18 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Just to nip things in the bud lads, can everyone lay off the personal stuff, if I have to sort out some sectarian and or cross-border rubbish I will be very grumpy.

Everytime Rodders and DOD speak, there's a border between them. Reality exists.............. and it's many things but 'rubbish' it ain't.

Its a border of the mind Fly ...but not of the heart

....

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:19 pm

cheers Sine

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:20 pm

Sin é wrote:No he does not have a history of putting himself before the team. No one would have survived for so long in the same team or made 3 Lions Tours if that was the case. Ugo Monye on O'Gara yesterday talking about the Lions Tour in 2009:

Ah here now .... we all know he only made those Lions tours because of Donal Lenihan..... Whistle

by Feckless Rogue Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:22 pm

Some just don't like ROG and will jump on anything he says.

He just said he was gutted and he thought he could have done the business against Scotland. Outrageous.

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:23 pm

rodders wrote:
Sin é wrote:No he does not have a history of putting himself before the team. No one would have survived for so long in the same team or made 3 Lions Tours if that was the case. Ugo Monye on O'Gara yesterday talking about the Lions Tour in 2009:

Ah here now .... we all know he only made those Lions tours because of Donal Lenihan.....

Surprising David Humphreys didn't make any because of Willie John McBride Wink

by Feckless Rogue Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:25 pm

I preferred Geordan Murohy to Girvan Dempsey. And Neil Best to Easterby. There I said it.

by clivemcl Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:30 pm

DOD, I've asked for a moderator to look at your posts. I've entirely fed up with your insistence on religious and political references when talking about us Ulster lads. Argue the sporting point as passionately as you wish, but please, do us all a favour and leave your pre-conceived bigoted ideas out of these threads.

by GunsGerms Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:32 pm

Sin é wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
red_stag wrote:Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

ROG has a history of putting himself before the team. There are so many examples the whole debate is boring now. Drico has been a consumate professional for most his career and yes he could have handled the Heaslip captaincy better but he isnt in the same league of utter selfishness that ROG is in.

If Madigan said that then he would be an idiot because every player bar ROG knows you make your statements on the field as Madigan has been doing.

No he does not have a history of putting himself before the team. No one would have survived for so long in the same team or made 3 Lions Tours if that was the case. Ugo Monye on O'Gara yesterday talking about the Lions Tour in 2009:

Which players did I learn from on that tour? Well Ronan O’Gara is one of the players I respect more than anyone. He is so honest and will put his hand up when he has a bad game. He works hard, is incredibly professional and as a winger if you’re not on your game he will make you look stupid.

there are lots of good points to ROG. Not debating that. He is a very selfish character though.

by GunsGerms Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:32 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:Some just don't like ROG and will jump on anything he says.

He just said he was gutted and he thought he could have done the business against Scotland. Outrageous.

Its not outragous, its just a really dumb and selfish thing to say.

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:38 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
Sin é wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
red_stag wrote:Guns - we can say that of any player.

Personally I thought there was a huge lack of support that Brian O'Driscoll showed towards Jamie Heaslip getting the Irish captaincy.

Why? Because Drico was competitive enough to want it and confident enough he would have been a better option. Same as ROG thought regarding Jackson.

Serious Question: What if Madigan had said he was a better option than Jackson? I bet nobody would be criticising him.

ROG has a history of putting himself before the team. There are so many examples the whole debate is boring now. Drico has been a consumate professional for most his career and yes he could have handled the Heaslip captaincy better but he isnt in the same league of utter selfishness that ROG is in.

If Madigan said that then he would be an idiot because every player bar ROG knows you make your statements on the field as Madigan has been doing.

No he does not have a history of putting himself before the team. No one would have survived for so long in the same team or made 3 Lions Tours if that was the case. Ugo Monye on O'Gara yesterday talking about the Lions Tour in 2009:

Which players did I learn from on that tour? Well Ronan O’Gara is one of the players I respect more than anyone. He is so honest and will put his hand up when he has a bad game. He works hard, is incredibly professional and as a winger if you’re not on your game he will make you look stupid.

there are lots of good points to ROG. Not debating that. He is a very selfish character though.

We are debating your comment that "O'Gara has a history of putting himself before the team*" not whether he is a very selfish character or not (though from comments of ex-team mates (a lot of them from the Lions) he seems to be well liked and respected (unlike BOD for instance, who seemed to have rubbed a few of the Welsh up the wrong way).

*which I have rubbished and backed up.

edit: putting yourself before the team would be like saying "I only want to go on the Lions if I'm a starter in the Tests. I couldn't be bothered supporting the team"

by Guest Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:03 pm

Actually I don't think the comments of Rog are all that bad. He tends to wear his heart on his sleeve, and this is what he believes. Aided of course by certain of the medja who continue to deify him.
He has a winners mentality. He backs himself, and he's perhaps angry at his treatment during the 6Ns. I get the impression that he isn't having a go at PJ or Madigan, but having a dig at Deccie at the way he was treated. Rightly or wrongly.

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:14 pm

I'd say wrongly. There's nothing wrong with wearing the heart on the sleeve or being peeved but these things should be handled behind closed doors - ROG has a long history of spitting the dummy out when not selected - Humphreys, Sexton now Jackson.

Team players should support his fellow players publically at least. More bad form from ROG.

by SecretFly Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:15 pm

Munchkin wrote:Actually I don't think the comments of Rog are all that bad. He tends to wear his heart on his sleeve, and this is what he believes. Aided of course by certain of the medja who continue to deify him.
He has a winners mentality. He backs himself, and he's perhaps angry at his treatment during the 6Ns. I get the impression that he isn't having a go at PJ or Madigan, but having a dig at Deccie at the way he was treated. Rightly or wrongly.

...And pretty much said so. He admitted the long relationship he had with Kidney, longer than possibly any other player had, wasn't always good.

That's human, long relationship aren't always fun. He said it and probably gets a scowl from some quarters for it. But how many players will come out behind him and admit the relationship in camp wasn't always as 'fun-loving' as the regular old junk talk suggests. "Oh we players love it here. We love frollicking around with Kiss, Kidney and the rest of them...a joke a minute. Fantastic stuff. Why aren't we playing so well then? - Hmm, ask..............em.......... but we're having fun."

Some of them might finally tell a little truth by the time their pay-for-it opinions come out in the Christmas book department. But O'Gara tells it when it's still warm. He deserves a lot of respect for that.

by GoodinTightSpaces Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:41 pm

[/quote]

We are debating your comment that "O'Gara has a history of putting himself before the team*" not whether he is a very selfish character or not (though from comments of ex-team mates (a lot of them from the Lions) he seems to be well liked and respected (unlike BOD for instance, who seemed to have rubbed a few of the Welsh up the wrong way).

*which I have rubbished and backed up.

edit: putting yourself before the team would be like saying "I only want to go on the Lions if I'm a starter in the Tests. I couldn't be bothered supporting the team"
[/quote]

you seem to dislike BOD hugely. you seem to have an unnecessary snipe at him in alot of your articles.

by Feckless Rogue Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:43 pm

I'm glad the odd player doesn't give out the bland prepared soundbites for the "evil meedja". But the truth as he sees it for anyone who cares to take notice. And the truth as he sees it is that he would have done the business against Scotland. He thought he was better than Humphries, he thought he was better than Sexton and he thinks he's better than Jackson. ROG didn't achieve what he achieved in his career by being a pussycat lads.

And Sin you don't have to attack BOD to defend ROG. BOD isn't a pussycat either. And DOD you don't need to enact retribution on critics of ROG with sectarian baiting. ROG's career speaks for itself.

by ME-109 Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:52 pm

Lets try this another way...

I don't really like O'Gara even though I don't know him. He has an awful lot of faults in his personality. The comments he makes can be controversial but one thing I will say for him is that he wears his heart on his sleeve and gives his all when he plays (for either Munster and Ireland) and in Munster he is universally respected for that.

With that the comments by people on here are completely over the top but I guess come from jealousy, ignorance, lack of knowledge of the game and in many cases downright nastiness based on a certain victimhood mentality (I cant really think it can be any other reason).

Love him or loathe him (which appears to be the case on this site) he has been one of the players at the forefront of Irish rugby over the last 10+ years. Kim Jong-un (rodders) and politburo friends (is it ok that the mention relates to N...h Korea?) are just looking for a reason to have a go. Have fun.

by ME-109 Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:54 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:I'm glad the odd player doesn't give out the bland prepared soundbites for the "evil meedja". But the truth as he sees it for anyone who cares to take notice. And the truth as he sees it is that he would have done the business against Scotland. He thought he was better than Humphries, he thought he was better than Sexton and he thinks he's better than Jackson. ROG didn't achieve what he achieved in his career by being a pussycat lads.

And Sin you don't have to attack BOD to defend ROG. BOD isn't a pussycat either. And DOD you don't need to enact retribution on critics of ROG with sectarian baiting. ROG's career speaks for itself.

Ah shure just throwing out unnecessary insults....it seems to be the way on here. People give it but cant take it maybe? I am not sure if wearing a certain bit of clothing is sectarian but I guess it is in some parts of the country (sorry I meant Island)

by **rodders** Thu 04 Apr 2013, 1:56 pm

DOD wrote:
Love him or loathe him (which appears to be the case on this site) he has been one of the players at the forefront of Irish rugby over the last 10+ years. Kim Jong-un (rodders) and politburo friends (is it ok that the mention relates to N...h Korea?) are just looking for a reason to have a go. Have fun.

Well that's interesting.....I had presumed I had assumed the role of the foreign imperialist in this debate ..... Whistle

by Sin é Thu 04 Apr 2013, 2:06 pm

GoodinTightSpaces wrote:
We are debating your comment that "O'Gara has a history of putting himself before the team*" not whether he is a very selfish character or not (though from comments of ex-team mates (a lot of them from the Lions) he seems to be well liked and respected (unlike BOD for instance, who seemed to have rubbed a few of the Welsh up the wrong way).

*which I have rubbished and backed up.

edit: putting yourself before the team would be like saying "I only want to go on the Lions if I'm a starter in the Tests. I couldn't be bothered supporting the team"

you seem to dislike BOD hugely. you seem to have an unnecessary snipe at him in alot of your articles.[/quote]

Only replying to Guns who brought BOD up as the "consumate professional" and "Isnt in the same league of utter selfishness that ROG is in."

by ME-109 Thu 04 Apr 2013, 2:07 pm

People are getting confused I think. Somebody mentioned sectarianism and I would like it noted that I have never said anything sectarian to Sin é even though he is from Tipperary...that's a big thing for someone from Cork

To everyone else. I bring you love kiss

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