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Post by cp10 Tue 9 Apr - 12:03

First topic message reminder :

Former Wasps & QPR boss appointed MD

Davies seems to have a good CV with experience in rugby. Also has experience in "building" stadiums.

It'll be interesting to hear Wasps/QPR fans view of him.


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Post by RDW Mon 29 Apr - 15:31

Great stuff. They really are sticking by Cairnsy which is not like the SRU at all. He’s only 27 so got plenty playing time left – let’s hope he can get back to full fitness as his style of play epitomises everything that is good about Edinburgh Rugby (or at least has been in the past!)

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 29 Apr - 17:54

This news is a pleasant surprise. It also gives the new coach the chance to make the final decision, which is certainly the best way forward for all concerned.

Fingers crossed the rehab over the summer goes well. We should have at least another 5 strong years from Ben Cairns yet. He's the best centre in the squad at picking angles, and I think he'd make a good partner for Matt Scott.

Good press release as well. Finally a hint of leadership from the Edinburgh management. Now, where's that world class coach.....?

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Post by RDW Mon 29 Apr - 17:58

If Scotland have been given the ospreys forwards coach I'm significantly lowering my expectations from an Edinburgh point of view...

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 29 Apr - 18:22

I know, it doesn't really set the bar particularly high. The working assumption has to be that Scott Johnson recommended him, and that Scott Johnson it to be head coach through to the next World Cup.

I don't so much hate the appointment, more the process, which once again has been amateur at best.

As always with the SRU, zero transparency prevails. It's as if they don't really care what fans think in Scotland, and don't feel that we deserve any sort of explanation as to what is going on. I can only assume we've been turned down by half a dozen or so top candidates, and therefore SJ is the best we can hope for, but we'll never know.

I thought the way England did it with Lancaster was much much better. Approach 10 or so candidates, draw up a shortlist of those interested and then announce your man.

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Post by EST Mon 29 Apr - 19:01

Was the only announcement of this a small press release on the SRU website? They are hardly shouting this news from the rafters. It almost certainly means that SJ will be the coach for the next couple of years - another closed door process with zero information being given to the fans.

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Post by Majestic83 Mon 29 Apr - 21:08

A name to throw into the hat as a potential head coach is an ex Edinburgh player from a good few years ago who is doing very well as forwards coach at the Stormers in the super rugby.....Matt Proudfoot!!
Really good things being said about him as a coach and could be the next step up for him!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 30 Apr - 12:00

Majestic83 wrote:A name to throw into the hat as a potential head coach is an ex Edinburgh player from a good few years ago who is doing very well as forwards coach at the Stormers in the super rugby.....Matt Proudfoot!!
Really good things being said about him as a coach and could be the next step up for him!

Good scouting!! You've already put in more effort than the SRU I suspect.

I remember Proudfoot - never quite lived up to the hype as a player.

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Post by Majestic83 Tue 30 Apr - 20:33

Get Proudfoot in as head coach and bring in a couple of home grown coaches as assistants, kenny murray from ayr and simon cross from accies possibly!

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Post by RDW Tue 30 Apr - 21:04

Here's hoping there'll be some mightily peed off Edinburgh players on Friday night - would ve great to see Ford, Laidlaw, Scott and visser take their frustration out on the Dragons!

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Post by Manky-Flanker Wed 1 May - 11:21

Looks like Dickinson will be at Edinburgh next season.


"they are set to bid farewell to two more of their current firs team squad with Scotland prop Alasdair Dickinson expected to confirm he is moving north of the border to joining Edinburgh in the summer."

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Post by VinceWLB Wed 1 May - 11:56

I really pity the coach who will be in charge of Edinburgh next season.

Thay have a really lightweight pack and are basically weakening it with a very average player who is worse than Jacobsen in every facet of the game.

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Post by RDW Wed 1 May - 13:01

I've said it here already but I'll be quite happy with Dickinson - we've got to be realistic about the calibre of player we can attract and he definitely won't weaken our loose head options

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 1 May - 13:04

I'm pleased with the signing of Dickinson. Underrated player, and I think he'll move ahead of Yapp next season.

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Post by cp10 Wed 1 May - 14:11

funnyExiledScot wrote:I'm pleased with the signing of Dickinson. Underrated player, and I think he'll move ahead of Yapp next season.

Don't say that on the Edinburgh forum (or do and back me up). I'm getting pelters for saying he'd be a decent signing.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 1 May - 14:53

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funnyExiledScot wrote:I'm pleased with the signing of Dickinson. Underrated player, and I think he'll move ahead of Yapp next season.

Don't say that on the Edinburgh forum (or do and back me up). I'm getting pelters for saying he'd be a decent signing.

It's because they don't know what they are talking about on there. They remember Dickinson stupidly being played at tighthead for Scotland and crumbling, when he never should have been in that position.

We're not talking about him playing international rugby here, we're talking about a solid and committed club player, and an excellent prop in the loose. If Edinburgh can recapture that fast offloading game, then having props like Nel, Cross and Dickinson is just the ticket.

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Post by RDW Wed 1 May - 14:58

Was gonna say, Edinburgh fans are generally a bunch of idiots – particularly on Facebook – so I don’t go near that forum!

We are all obviously the exception on V2!

I generally give fairly negative comments on the Facebook page after terrible defeats (we’ve had plenty of those this year) and you get idiots on there sprouting off a load of nonsense about them trying hard and needing people to get behind them – bugger off!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 1 May - 20:38

I hate that sort of comment. Just because you are able to criticise a performance doesn't make you any less of a supporter.

Still, Edinburgh could use an army of knuckle draggers who cannot distinguish a good performance from a bad one. In fact it's exactly what we need!!

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Post by Pat_Mustard Thu 2 May - 11:20

Strong looking side named for the Dragons game. Good to see Richie McIver given a chance from the bench, they must think a lot of him if he's ready to step in after just a couple of weeks' professional training. Mind you, maybe there isn't anyone else, look at the size of that injury list!

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Dragons at Murrayfield Stadium tomorrow (Friday 3 May, kick-off 7.45pm)

15 Greig Tonks

14 Dougie Fife
13 Nick De Luca
12 Matt Scott
11 Tim Visser

10 Harry Leonard
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN

1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Ross Ford
3 Willem Nel
4 Sean Cox
5 Grant Gilchrist
6 Stuart McInally
7 Hamish Watson
8 Netani Talei

Substitutes
16 Steven Lawrie
17 Robin Hislop
18 Geoff Cross
19 Perry Parker
20 Richie McIver
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Piers Francis
23 Tom Brown

Players unavailable: Alex Allan (ankle), Dimitri Basilaia (groin), Ben Cairns (knee), David Denton (knee), Jamie Farndale (leg), Roddy Grant (wrist), Lee Jones (international duty), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Macphail scholarship), Chris Leck (shoulder), Lewis Niven (bicep), Ross Rennie (shoulder), Steven Turnbull (knee), Alun Walker (hamstring), Izak van der Westhuizen (ankle).

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 11:22

Disappointing that Denton and Rennie are still injured, I think they need the summer off to fully recover. Denton might not want that though having missed last year’s summer tour with Scotland. We can cope without them this summer and it would be good to have them fighting fit for next season.

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Post by Pat_Mustard Thu 2 May - 11:27

XV of unavailable players:

Allan, Walker, Niven
Turnbull, vdWesthuizen
Basilaia, Denton, Rennie

Leck, Hidalgo-Clyne
Roddy Grant Laugh, Cairns
Farndale, A.N.Other, Jones

nearly a whole xv out injured (or busy elsewhere), fortunately not many first choice players though

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 11:28

Interesting that he's not given some of the departing players a token send off - Rees, Visser etc.

To be fair the only one that would really merit inclusion would be Rees, as the rest have barely played!

Ridiculous that Mike Penn (who?) didn't play a single game for the club outside pre-season - didn't even make it onto the bench!

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Post by Pat_Mustard Thu 2 May - 11:31

I'm hoping Fusaro will be close to full fitness so with him and Barclay, Scotland will be well covered at 7. Same with Beattie and Wilson at 8, so yeah, Rennie and Denton should probably take the time off and come back ready to start next season like they mean it!

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Post by cp10 Thu 2 May - 11:34

Don't know what they've done to van der Westhuizen. I'm sure he played nearly all the Cheetahs games last season in both the Super 15 and Currie Cup. He's spent most of his time here on the physio bench.

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Post by Pat_Mustard Thu 2 May - 11:34

Might have been nice to give them a send off but it looks like they've gone full strength to finish the season with a win, maybe they think that would be best for confidence for nest season?

I think I remember when Penn signed he had failed to get into the Worcester side for years and had been out on loan at a lower league club - seemed a completely daft signing at the time and still does!

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Post by cp10 Thu 2 May - 11:37

Pat_Mustard wrote:Might have been nice to give them a send off but it looks like they've gone full strength to finish the season with a win, maybe they think that would be best for confidence for nest season?

I think I remember when Penn signed he had failed to get into the Worcester side for years and had been out on loan at a lower league club - seemed a completely daft signing at the time and still does!

Source says he was recomended by Billy McGinty. Apparently a nice bloke.

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 11:39

Worryingly Sean Kennedy is likely to tour with Scotland, and if Laidlaw gets a callup to the Lions he might even be on the bench!

Great experience for him but shows our frailty at scrum half currently…

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 11:56

It's a good and strong side for the last game of the season, where hopefully we can do a hatchet job on Lydiate's ankle and get Kelly Brown into the Lions reckoning.....(only kidding)...

It's been a great run of games for young Hamish Watson. He'll have picked up a fair bit and can hopefully have a good pre-season for next year and offer better back-up for Rennie and Grant. It's a position where experience is everything.

Pleased also that Harry Leonard has finished the season on top. We need to get him and Matt Scott playing together as much as possible. That's a potential international midfield comination right there.

As a season ticket holder I'm allowed to take a guest in for free, so the missus has a very special treat lined up on Friday.....although she's not allowed into the reserved seat section so she can stand by herself.....

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 2 May - 12:13

That's quite an injury list that! Yikes

Perhaps vdW could have done with some time off between SuperXV/Currie Cup duties and moving over - hopefully a summer off will revive him

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 12:18

RDW_Scotland wrote:Worryingly Sean Kennedy is likely to tour with Scotland, and if Laidlaw gets a callup to the Lions he might even be on the bench!

Great experience for him but shows our frailty at scrum half currently…

To be fair not many countries could lose two players of the calibre of Cusiter and Blair in such a short time and not be found slightly wanting. We still have Laidlaw and Pyrgos, but personally I think Kennedy is going to turn out to be the pick of the bunch.

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Post by Majestic83 Thu 2 May - 12:20

Yeah i think VDW has just played too many games without any time off. Going from super rugby to Currie Cup and then rabo12 is just too much. Confident with a good off season and full pre season we will see the good player he actually is.

I like that people have had similar experiences to me on the Edinburgh rugby forum, they are clueless on there and I wonder if any of them have ever played a game of rugby themselves.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 12:26

Agreed, I have high hopes for VDW next season, similarly Basilia, who I hope can settle down and offer us a good physical option at 6 next season.

606v2 is where the talent is at.....

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Post by George Carlin Thu 2 May - 12:40

funnyExiledScot wrote:It's a good and strong side for the last game of the season, where hopefully we can do a hatchet job on Lydiate's ankle and get Kelly Brown into the Lions reckoning.....(only kidding)...
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Post by Imperialbigdave Thu 2 May - 12:54

We should start a support group for those who have managed to break free from the clutches of the embra forum. Ill get the ball rolling.

Hi, Im dave, and im an edinburgh supporter. Ive been clean from the edinburgh forum for about 6 months now. I was on a self destructive cycle of happy clappy-ness for years before that. I hated what I was doing, but I couldnt bring myself to quit. My escape route was when I deleted my browsing history for something unrelated, chrome stopped logging me in automatically, and I forgot my password. Suddenly it was as if a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I felt real once again and didnt see everything through black and red spectacles.

Sometimes I feel a strong temptation to log back in, but thankfully ive avoided any relapses. So far.

Thank you for listening.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 12:57

Imperialbigdave wrote:We should start a support group for those who have managed to break free from the clutches of the embra forum. Ill get the ball rolling.

Hi, Im dave, and im an edinburgh supporter. Ive been clean from the edinburgh forum for about 6 months now. I was on a self destructive cycle of happy clappy-ness for years before that. I hated what I was doing, but I couldnt bring myself to quit. My escape route was when I deleted my browsing history for something unrelated, chrome stopped logging me in automatically, and I forgot my password. Suddenly it was as if a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I felt real once again and didnt see everything through black and red spectacles.

Sometimes I feel a strong temptation to log back in, but thankfully ive avoided any relapses. So far.

Thank you for listening.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 2 May - 13:05

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Imperialbigdave wrote:We should start a support group for those who have managed to break free from the clutches of the embra forum. Ill get the ball rolling.

Hi, Im dave, and im an edinburgh supporter. Ive been clean from the edinburgh forum for about 6 months now. I was on a self destructive cycle of happy clappy-ness for years before that. I hated what I was doing, but I couldnt bring myself to quit. My escape route was when I deleted my browsing history for something unrelated, chrome stopped logging me in automatically, and I forgot my password. Suddenly it was as if a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. I felt real once again and didnt see everything through black and red spectacles.

Sometimes I feel a strong temptation to log back in, but thankfully ive avoided any relapses. So far.

Thank you for listening.

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Very good. I've taken down the poster of Bradley from my dartboard too.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 13:08

George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:It's a good and strong side for the last game of the season, where hopefully we can do a hatchet job on Lydiate's ankle and get Kelly Brown into the Lions reckoning.....(only kidding)...
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Just the candidate for NDL's newly honed spear technique.....

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Post by Imperialbigdave Thu 2 May - 13:11

funnyExiledScot wrote:
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funnyExiledScot wrote:It's a good and strong side for the last game of the season, where hopefully we can do a hatchet job on Lydiate's ankle and get Kelly Brown into the Lions reckoning.....(only kidding)...
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Just the candidate for NDL's newly honed spear technique.....

carefull now, you might offend the welsh with this kind of talk
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 13:23

Ha! That sort of thing really doesn't bother me at all!

Dragons Team to face Edinburgh

Dan Evans, Tom Prydie, Ross Wardle, Lewis Robling, Tonderai Chavhanga, Steffan Jones, Jonathan Evans; Aaron Coundley, Hugh Gustafson, Nathan Buck, Andrew Coombs (c), Rob Sidoli, Dan Lydiate, Nic Cudd, Toby Faletau.

Hmmm, Coombs, Lydiate and Faletau - I suspect Edinburgh may struggle if I'm being honest.

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Post by cp10 Thu 2 May - 13:30

Edinburgh Rugby twitter wrote:BREAKING NEWS: @EdinburghRugby are delighted to announce that 24-capped @Scotlandteam prop @Ali_Dickinson has signed on a one year deal!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 13:33

You've got to respect Edinburgh rugby calling this "Breaking News" - we've been talking about it for weeks.....

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 13:34

They sign a 35 year old Tongan on a 2 year deal but only give a Scottish prop a 1 year deal? steam

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 13:37

It's because he rolled a 1 with the dice kept by the SRU for negotiating key contracts. Unlucky....

At least dart landed on his name when they chucked it at the directory of professional rugby players....

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 13:48

Anyone noticed that all the chat from Scott and Hodge seems to be that they are going to still be there next season?

Scott on Dickinson - 'I look forward to working with him again'

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Post by Imperialbigdave Thu 2 May - 13:49

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone noticed that all the chat from Scott and Hodge seems to be that they are going to still be there next season?

Scott on Dickinson - 'I look forward to working with him again'

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Whats the bet no one else even got to the interview stage?
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 14:05

Well, for those of us who enjoyed spending a Friday evening watching Edinburgh get bullied by Connacht at home, and the pleasure of watching highlights of Treviso walk all over us, we can certainly see the vast improvements brought about by this world class coaching team of Hodge and Scott.

Glittering CVs.

If they are appointed as the new coaching team on a long term basis, I will write to the SRU and ask for my season ticket to be refunded. There is absolutely zero justification for appointing these guys. None. There MUST be better options out there!

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 2 May - 14:16

There's something seriously wrong on the HR side at Murrayfield - contracts for coaching staff and playing personnel are a serious dogs feicing breakfast - too long when shorter required, no performance clauses, not long enough, deputies appointed before heads, etc. Headscratch

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 14:16

But FES - how will you entertain the missus once a year if you don't have your free ticket from season ticket membership??

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 2 May - 14:27

RDW_Scotland wrote:But FES - how will you entertain the missus once a year if you don't have your free ticket from season ticket membership??

Granted that's a serious problem. She'll miss the horse meat burgers and overpriced lager more than anything else I suspect.

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Post by RDW Thu 2 May - 15:08

Probably best to avoid giving your wife a Chunk mask though – you’ll get a massive contradiction of feelings there!

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Post by cakeordeath Thu 2 May - 15:15

Ali Dickinson has signed for Edinburgh

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