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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	21	17	1	3	542	460	+82	60	43	1	3	74
2	Harlequins	21	15	0	6	550	499	+51	60	50	3	5	68
3	Gloucester	21	14	0	7	546	488	+58	63	50	4	5	65
4	Newcastle Falcons	21	13	1	7	530	485	+45	56	45	1	7	62
5	Sale Sharks	21	12	0	9	536	508	+28	58	52	2	9	59
6	London Irish	21	11	0	10	532	517	+15	57	52	3	9	56
7	Northampton Saints	21	11	1	9	526	511	+15	55	53	2	8	56
8	London Welsh	21	9	3	9	495	484	+11	53	48	0	9	51
9	Bath Rugby	21	9	0	12	487	519	-32	46	56	0	8	44
10	Saracens	21	5	1	15	437	528	-91	39	57	0	7	29
11	Worcester Warriors	21	3	1	17	452	516	-64	39	57	1	11	26
12	London Wasps	21	3	0	18	419	537	-118	37	60	0	13	25

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:03 pm

anonmattyt wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Has Berrick Barnes played this season?

You obviously don't watch much s15 as evidenced by your Alberts comment so you probably don't know Barnes dislocated his thumb about 3 weeks ago.

You should try watching super 15 some cracking games and some great talent in it

No need to be pompous. I watch plenty of S15 just not seen Barnes play this season. Only mentioned it because the Leinafano was looking so good.

You can be an arrogant ass sometimes Wink

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:08 pm

Missed the Barnes injury, has he played much then?

Not having much luck with injuries in the run in Matt.

Burger & Ferris zero form. Robson, Heaslip, Palmer dire. Kahui only a few games and crocked again.

You having as much luck as me last season with POC, Barcella etc.

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

Burger and ferris don't get played by me so no bother.

Palmer heaslip and the rest in good form.

Alberts and Etzbeth back which is good even though they have only been injured for 3 months.

Carter back this weekend helps. Barnes played a couple and is back in a few weeks.

I have actually been lucky to get lots of players back playing. Usually tough this time of year as inevitably injuries bite.

With may storming ahead and Dagg playing better it bodes well.

If I manage to beat Steve in the semi not sure whether to have a tilt at both titles or concentrate on one,

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:17 pm

If I continue next year I am going to change style of my team a bit and the way they play l

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:18 pm

Leinster vs Biarritz could be a cracker today.

Hope the Biarritz that played gloucester turn up today

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:28 pm

All to play for today

Great article about the lions selection dilemma

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10019171/Chris-Robshaw-in-danger-of-missing-Lions-selection.html

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:29 pm

Telegraph generally spot on with right and selection

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:41 pm

Palmer & Heaslip in good form........mmmmm

by dammit_chris Sat 27 Apr 2013, 3:33 pm

Looks like Heaslip is! On a hat trick

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:02 pm

You were saying pooly?

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:04 pm

Not seen the Leinster game, but guessing from the scoreline that Biarritz didn't show up.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:09 pm

ASM just run Munster to death there. Some cracking offloads.

Difficult to see them losing this.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:10 pm

Having said that, had Nalaga not scored that his manager would have been cursing him as they had a 3 on 1 overlap outside!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:10 pm

anonmattyt wrote:You were saying pooly?

When was the last time Heaslip put in a top performance Internationally???? I'm thinking 2009. He's just not that great these days.

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:16 pm

So frustrating Biarritz. Clermont look swift here

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:19 pm

ASM on top in every facet of the game at the moment. Munster conceding lots of penalties and will be down to 14 soon if they carry on.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:22 pm

Intensity is so high, hope Munster keep in it

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:26 pm

I think that's the key for them Pooly, just hanging in there. If they can get to 70 minutes and are still in the game, they are good in pressure situations so could nick it. If they let ASM get away, then it's going to be a long evening for them.

by LukeLovesLuka Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:27 pm

Love watching Clermont so much. Hines got to be a lion.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:28 pm

Hines has just got better and better as he's got older. Great player.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:29 pm

Need to keep the points ticking over, they have to score every time they enter ASM half but making basic errors

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:31 pm

Poor from Murray, had a chance there

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:41 pm

Hines & Cudmore is a hell of an engine room

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 6:21 pm

Its a great engine room but needs lineout of bonnaire. Cud more is a decent player but gives away lots of penalties.

So powerful as a team.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 27 Apr 2013, 6:24 pm

Wow!!!

Game. Fecking. ON!!!

by **Ozzy3213** Sun 28 Apr 2013, 9:41 am

Gents, we have a draw between ASM and Saints in the Heino quarters. Could I ask you all to predict on extra time please.

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:07 am

Pete with your comment about the Leinster game, I wouldn't have said it was a case of Biaritz not turning up it was just that Leinster were fantastic. I've never been a big fan of them, as I feel they get away with so many offsides, slowing down ball illegally and escaping yellow cards, but they were so good yesterday - blew Biaritz away in the pack, Healy, Heaslip had cracking games and the 12 they had playing looked great.

I was watching it without sound so not sure who the 12 was, looked like Madagan - has anyone got him in this game at all?

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:23 am

Telegraph reporting 16 Welsh players in the Lions squad and Warburton definitely confirmed as captain.

Lydiate is going apparently - 2 games of rugby since start of the year, you'd have to be so hacked off if you were Tom Wood!

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:48 am

Leinster don't get away with bending the rules anymore than any other side.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:56 am

Super team of week, few in for Matt. JOC in after a top game at 10

http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2013/rugby/story/181473.html

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:02 am

Pooly, all the best sides get away with bending the rules - Leicester did it for years, Munster did it for years and Leinster do it. It's what makes them great teams, they know what they can get away with - the Leinster v Wasps game was a great example, they killed off most attacks by not rolling away, but manage to do it and not make it look blatant to the ref, whilst Wasps did it and got yellow carded. Only the top teams get away with it.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:08 am

Every side bends the rules Chris

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:38 am

Folau is becoming a bit of a monster. Still pretty young as well

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:48 am

He's looking better and better in every game! He'll definitely feature for the Aussies against the Lions.

by LukeLovesLuka Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:52 am

Deans bigged him up. Seen people say him, mogg etc might not feature as lions tests not ones to go with rookies. 4N definitely future though.

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:55 am

What would you have as your Aussie backline LLL? I haven't seen that much s15 this season, but looks like Genia is playing very well, Cooper has come right back into form and JOC starting to do well at Rebels.

Seen Rod Davies a couple of times and he's pretty good too.

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:06 pm

Current form Aussies I would have

Genia cooper ioane leilifano AAC JOC folau/mogg

Don't think that's what they will pick but all of those are in good form and would have a great balance

by LukeLovesLuka Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:07 pm

Depends on Beale really. Genia nailed on. Imagine AAC is too at 13. Ioane to take a wing spot. JOC to play somewhere. Love him on the wing. Lots of rugby to play between now and then for them. Up in the air really. Lealiifano hard to leave out but another player not capped.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:14 pm

Rod Davies hasn't got a rugby brain, he just runs.

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:24 pm

Was it Beale and Cooper who weren't picked in the initial squad? They've got some great backs to pick from, can see some high scoring tests coming up!

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 12:52 pm

Beale needs to get his form back and settle in a position. Great attacking full
Back. Both him and folau have defensive frailties. Folau has done some naive things defensively which is what you would expect with him learning the game

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:32 pm

Apparently this is the standby list for the lions.

Some good players on It

On standby: Stuart Hogg (Scot), Tim Visser (Scot), Scott Williams (Wal), Billy Twelvetrees (Eng), Dan Biggar (Wal), Jonny Wilkinson (Eng), Danny Care (Eng), Greig Laidlaw (Scot), Dylan Hartley (Eng), Richardt Strauss (Ire), Mike Ross (Ire), Alex Corbisiero (Eng), Mako Vunipola (Eng), Geoff Parling (Eng), Joe Launchbury (Eng), Jim Hamilton (Scot), Donnacha Ryan (Ire), Kelly Brown (Scot), Ryan Jones (Wal), Peter O'Mahony (Irel), Tom Wood (Eng), Ben Morgan (Eng).

by **Ozzy3213** Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:36 pm

So from that we take it that Sexton and Farrell will be the 10's, with either Hook or Madigan as the 3rd 10 covering other back positions.

Also only 2 Welshmen on that list which means the squad is likely to have a massive number of them in to start with.

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:38 pm

So with that in mind the only English players to tour:

Tom Youngs, Dan Cole, Tom Croft, Ben Youngs, Manu Tuilagi and Owen Farrell?

Would Robshaw tour, or is he being left out of the whole thing?

by dammit_chris Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:39 pm

Pete - Telegraph were saying that there would be 16 Welshmen in the squad - including Lydiate and Jenkins, the latter must have an agreement with Toulon to let him leave early?

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:40 pm

No idea. Robshaw may tour and lead the dirt trackers midweek

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:41 pm

Full-backs: Leigh Halfpenny (Wal), Rob Kearney (Ire).

Wings: Tommy Bowe (Ire), Alex Cuthbert (Wal), George North (Wal), Simon Zebo (Ire).

Centres: Jonathan Davies (Wal), Brian O'Driscoll (Ire), Jamie Roberts (Wal), Manu Tuilagi (Eng), Brad Barritt (Eng).

Fly-halves: Owen Farrell (Eng), Jonathan Sexton (Ire), James Hook (Wal).

Scrum-halves: Mike Phillips (Wal), Conor Murray (Ire), Ben Youngs (Eng).

Props: Cian Healy (Ire), Gethin Jenkins (Wal), Adam Jones (Wal), Dan Cole (Eng), Ryan Grant (Scot).

Hookers: Rory Best (Ire), Richard Hibbard (Wal), Tom Youngs (Eng).

Locks: Alun Wyn Jones (Wal), Paul O'Connell (Ire), Richie Gray (Scot), Ian Evans (Wal).

Flankers: Dan Lydiate (Wal), Sean O'Brien (Ire), Sam Warburton (Wal), Tom Croft (Eng), Chris Robshaw (Eng), Justin Tipuric (Wal).

No8s: Jamie Heaslip (Irel), Toby Faletau (Wal).

by Sgt_Pooly Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:49 pm

That's a cracking squad bar Heaslip & AWJ

by **Ozzy3213** Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:53 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Full-backs: Leigh Halfpenny (Wal), Rob Kearney (Ire) Stuart Hogg (Sco)

Wings: Tommy Bowe (Ire), Alex Cuthbert (Wal), George North (Wal), ~~Simon Zebo (Ire)~~, Tim Visser (Sco).

Centres: Jonathan Davies (Wal), Brian O'Driscoll (Ire), Jamie Roberts (Wal), Manu Tuilagi (Eng), ~~Brad Barritt (Eng)~~.

Fly-halves: Owen Farrell (Eng), Jonathan Sexton (Ire), James Hook (Wal).

Scrum-halves: Mike Phillips (Wal), Conor Murray (Ire), Ben Youngs (Eng).

Props: Cian Healy (Ire), Gethin Jenkins (Wal), Adam Jones (Wal), Dan Cole (Eng), Ryan Grant (Sco), Mike Ross (Ire).

Hookers: Rory Best (Ire), Richard Hibbard (Wal), Tom Youngs (Eng).

Locks: Alun Wyn Jones (Wal), Paul O'Connell (Ire), Richie Gray (Scot), Ian Evans (Wal), Geoff Parling (Eng).

Flankers: Dan Lydiate (Wal), Sean O'Brien (Ire), Sam Warburton (Wal), Tom Croft (Eng), ~~Chris Robshaw (Eng)~~, Justin Tipuric (Wal).

No8s: Jamie Heaslip (Irel), Toby Faletau (Wal).

The changes I've made are what The Rugby Paper reckon this morning.

by Guest Sun 28 Apr 2013, 1:56 pm

I would not take cuthbert or Barritt

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