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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

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Breaking News: Leicester Tigers secure top spot and a home semi-final with their first bonus point win of the league season against Bath at The Rec.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:30 pm

I think Horwill is a very good captain personally, anybody can make a few dodgy calls. Standout option for Aus.

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:33 pm

Marty should be hung for that. Dreadful play. They had 3 points on a plate. Can't believe he is 30. Thought he was about 39

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:34 pm

wonder why there is no Kyle Sinckler in the Wc squad. First choice TH last year at JWC and all this season. Must be injured

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:37 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I think Horwill is a very good captain personally, anybody can make a few dodgy calls. Standout option for Aus.

I agree with that he makes the team play better and galvanises them. He does
Make dodgy decisions due to being so pumped and aggressive. That will come with international experience as horwill himself acknowledges.

The Aussie team is light on leaders with him Genia and not much else. A young squad. He is paramount to them winning against the lions. Without him they stand no chance. Without Genia they stand no chance either.

Only other experienced players are AAC and Barnes and none of them are great leaders.

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:40 pm

He must be injured Steve. Looks a prospect:

Is Harry wells of Leicester john wells son ?

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:41 pm

Stade win?

Hook was a mixed bag. personally think laid law will be back up ten

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:43 pm

Yea he must be Steve, he's quality.

Wilson has been immense for us this season, he's really coming through.

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:47 pm

Heard great things about Wilson. Is he related to other Wilson ? He has been a monster for bath despite being garbage most of his career.

He is a decent back up to cole on this form. Apparently his fitness scores are off the scale to when he joined

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:52 pm

No relation from what I know, great technical scrummager and strong carrying option.

Wilson has always been a good prop but suffered from the Bath wasting of talent regime.

Him and Attwood have been great the 2nd half of the season.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:54 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:wonder why there is no Kyle Sinckler in the Wc squad. First choice TH last year at JWC and all this season. Must be injured

Touring to Argentina?

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Post by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:57 pm

Good news for Munster http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,3822_8672447,00.html

Also if clermont beat saints on here then either
Myself or Steve have an easier game against clermont as clermont lineup will be the semi final line up.

Both games close so far.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:59 pm

Still wouldn't fancy Clermont away, they're pretty unbeatable. Isn't it 70 something games since last loss?

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:05 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Steven_Sharks wrote:wonder why there is no Kyle Sinckler in the Wc squad. First choice TH last year at JWC and all this season. Must be injured

Touring to Argentina?

How much ap has he had ? Can't imagine he will tour but options slim.

He would be a bette option than knight of
Glos who was a Saxon despite not having done anything.

He may fulfil his potential but is still on the lash and not knuckling down his
Dad was a hooker and could have been glos but played for
Matson all his life and glos 2s as he would rather lash it up.

I don't use Facebook often but am friends with both and each time I am on there both are bragging of how ratted they were the night before. Sean knights fitness at glos is poor always walking. Has all potential going so could sort it but think he will be like phil greening ie a local lad who can't ignore the big fish in small pond scene. Moving away was best thing phil
Ever did.

Reckon Robson or mills may tour as outsiders. Robson I would take mills needs more games but does play that 12 position where we struggle.

Sh will be care( if non lions) after that they may look at
Younger alternatives and ignore Dickson and wiggles

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:07 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Still wouldn't fancy Clermont away, they're pretty unbeatable. Isn't it 70 something games since last loss?

Agree 100% but if James rougerie and Vosloo not fit that's 3 key players missing. Bardy is no
7 replacement and king is gash.

In a semifinal would not fancy the Croat sounding 9 at ten for clermont

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:15 am

Dickson hasn't been great this season, Robson has an outside chance but he's not ready imo. Mills won't tour.

King isn't gash, he's played some fantastic stuff this season alongside Fofana.

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:27 am

Original open door in defence. Not a big game player is king. Always try's impossible when the simple will suffice.

Great hands though and a pleasure to watch when they are winning and have great platform. Not a man for a close game.

Personally hope they don't take Robson. He has been outstanding but is still 20 and learning the game.

His kicking game is top
And against Argentina is important so can see him going. Hope not. One more season and he could be challenging full set up. Has pace pass
Kicking and aggression so pretty complete.

He is really good at 10 more of a French 9


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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:32 am

Savage is most deserving glos player to go
Think him and Garvey deserve a spot on form

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:56 am

Garvey I don't think will tour. He has played exclusively at 6 since Christmas really, and there is a lot of competition in that jersey for England.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:23 am

Crazy game in Hamilton this morning. Chiefs score three tries in the opening 17 minutes to be 24-0 up, and now the Sharks have hit back with three of their own before half time to make it 24-19.

I thought I saw yesterday that Kahui was due to start at 12 for the Chiefs, but he's nowhere to be seen and Bundee Aki has the starting berth. Anyone know if he is injured again?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:33 am

He's probably out for 6 month.

He's the Darren Anderton of rugby.

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:36 am

He withdrew with a tight hamstring in the warm up
He has been playing 12 i was looking forward to seeing him with TNW who surprisingly they had dropped the last couple of weeks. I thought he had been excellent this season when I have seen him.

Aki is a tidy player also.

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:40 am

Kahui wasted at 12 but they need him there to help cruden out with his tackling and that channel. Personally I would hide cruden at fb on defence as much as I am not a fan of doing it sides will target him as they know he can't defend properly.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:47 am

TNW has another 2 tries today, boy is on fire at 13.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:54 am

Lee Dickson has been quality the last few weeks. Been in storming form.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:55 am

Good little player.

Another little guy who punches above his weight in defence, him and Cruden could teach Cips a few things!

See Powell tweated after Cips got hit by bus:

#hisbesttackleoftheseasonyet

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:56 am

Robson still makes bad calls, his game management is well off Int rugby. He'll learn though, good player.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:57 am

Great bit of play by Cruden. Got a shocking ball, and managed to find touch on the Sharks 22 with a super kick.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:58 am

Cruden couldn't teach Cips much about defence! Maybe soom about decent behaviour

#dontseehowyouratehisdefence

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:59 am

Sharks score off turnover ball. 4 tries a piece now. Some great attacking play from both sides, but some of the defending is not great.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:59 am

Kyle Cooper looks a good player.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:02 am

Did well with the turnover. I do think the Sharks are missing BdP's presence out there this season though.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:14 am

Dickson been poor this season, he'll be benchwarmer next year.

Sharks really miss BdP, Alberts has been poor for majority of season too which hasn't helped them. They need those two firing to hit a run.

Nothing wrong with Crudens defence, he's no Wilko but gets stuck in. Always struggle a little against the bigger guys but he makes an effort unlike Cips/Cooper who look scared to tackle.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:18 am

Cruden is willing, no argument there, and is actually a decent cover tackler. His problem as with most small guys is front on, where he often gets either steamed through or pushed back meaning the opponents get over the gainline.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:18 am

Awesome defensive work from TNW to catch the Sharks scrum half there. That was a try under the post if he hadn't got there.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:20 am

Agree Pete, it's physics more than technique. A 12st guy tackling a 19st one will go backwards.

Certainly not an Cooper, he really gets stuck in.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:22 am

To be fair, his front on technique isn't great Pooly, he could help himself by going lower and trying wrap the legs up, but at times goes to high wich means he just gets busted through. Cracking player though.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:24 am

Gutted for the Sharks. lat minute penalty for the Chiefs denies them a losing bonus point. To be fair I think their performance deserved the LBP.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:24 am

Fantastic player.

NZ have best 2 FH's in world rugby imo

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:27 am

You miss Cooper's hit on Ranger yesterday I presume. It was massive if slightly illegal.

Dickson been excellent against Wasps, Sale and Welsh. passing the best of English 9's and I think his game management is as well. Rarely makes thee wrong choice. Probably lacks the pace for top level which is desired by most.

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:30 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Dickson been poor this season, he'll be benchwarmer next year.

Sharks really miss BdP, Alberts has been poor for majority of season too which hasn't helped them. They need those two firing to hit a run.

Nothing wrong with Crudens defence, he's no Wilko but gets stuck in. Always struggle a little against the bigger guys but he makes an effort unlike Cips/Cooper who look scared to tackle.

Alberts has not played this season pooly. First game back this weekend at lower grade. Hard to have poor form when your not playing.

Cruden could teach cips how to fly up and get ran through

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:32 am

Ozzy3213 wrote:To be fair, his front on technique isn't great Pooly, he could help himself by going lower and trying wrap the legs up, but at times goes to high wich means he just gets busted through. Cracking player though.

100% agree Pete always said he is willing but his technique isn't awful he should go Low.cracking TNW tackle

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:33 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Fantastic player.

NZ have best 2 FH's in world rugby imo


I would have lots above him including Owen Farrell

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:34 am

Cruden, as with a lot of SH players seems to have almost a Rugby League tackling technique of going high, trying to wrap up man and ball and stop them in their tracks before dragging them down.

It can work in union if you are a big guy and can win the initial collision and gain momentum. It can't work if your 12 stone dripping wet.

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:38 am

Cruden is a great goal kicker and great with front foot ball. Not a player for the wet conditions. Wants to attack all the time instead of playing percentages in those conditions

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 10:48 am

Carter & Cruden standouts for me, could throw Sexton in there too.

Farrell improving but that level yet

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 11:21 am

Has Berrick Barnes played this season?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 27 Apr 2013, 11:29 am

I didn't realise Warburton had turned down Welsh captaincy towards end of 6N, how can he be Lions captain?!?!

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 11:56 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Has Berrick Barnes played this season?


You obviously don't watch much s15 as evidenced by your Alberts comment so you probably don't know Barnes dislocated his thumb about 3 weeks ago.

You should try watching super 15 some cracking games and some great talent in it

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 11:57 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I didn't realise Warburton had turned down Welsh captaincy towards end of 6N, how can he be Lions captain?!?!

It's a nonsense. Essentially he bottled it.

Great player but maybe not captaincy material of he did that.

Timani is having a great season for Brumbies

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Post by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 12:01 pm

Amazing how McCabe can't get a start. Leilafano has nailed the 12 spot for Brumbies

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