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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

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Breaking News: Leicester Tigers secure top spot and a home semi-final with their first bonus point win of the league season against Bath at The Rec.

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3 Homepage - Page 7 2Gloucester21140 7 546 488 +58 63 50 4 5 65
4 Homepage - Page 7 8Newcastle Falcons21131 7 530 485 +45 56 45 1 7 62
5 Homepage - Page 7 12Sale Sharks21 12 0 9 536 508 +28 58 52 2 9 59
6 Homepage - Page 7 5London Irish2111 0 10 532 517 +15 57 52 3 9 56
7 Homepage - Page 7 9Northampton Saints21111 9 526 511 +15 55 53 2 8 56
8 Homepage - Page 7 50London Welsh21 9 3 9 495 484 +11 53 48 0 9 51
9 Homepage - Page 7 1Bath Rugby2190 12 487 519 -32 46 56 0 8 44
10 Homepage - Page 7 11Saracens2151 15 437 528 -91 39 57 0 729
11 Homepage - Page 7 57Worcester Warriors2131 17 452 516 -64 39 57 1 11 26
12 Homepage - Page 7 6London Wasps 2130 18 419 537 -118 37 60 0 13 25






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:06 pm

Tomkins was good Chris. Scored 2nd when we were in disarray after Robson card. Robson a class act very mature and great boot as well. He is the whole package.


Webber been great since back he was massively unfit and over weight but is getting fitter and fitter.

Have a few bath friends who say he had done well. Arrows still a worry but apparently second half Tom youngs darts went awry as per usual.

Burns was good as were most glos players. Basically we need weather like this to play. We made them play out game and they struggled. We actually won quite easily although it was tense.

If it was a tight game or a play off I fancy they would have won

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Post by Fluxy Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:09 pm

Webber isn't overweight. Lacks a bit of fitness yeah I agree but all of this player bashing is stupid. He's not going to be the perfect man. What got me was someone said his darts are awful in predos!

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:10 pm

Tongahuia and Mujati look like different players today, bit of sunshine and hard ground!

Still think Tom Wood is the best no6 in England - could be a big score for them today.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:14 pm

Sale look awful. Cipriani dreadful.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:14 pm

Webber is a lot more bulky then he was at Wasps Fluxy, but he's pretty much been injured for 2 seasons - but it has really helped his running game. Seemed to get over the gainline every time he touched the ball. For me he should be on the England tour too.

Bath have worst lineout in the AP - but I think that is down to their other hookers as opposed to Webber and how they constantly change their team.

I really rate him.

Tomkins issue for me is his pace, has taken ages for him to adapt to union, but he's come on so much this year.

I wonder how long it will be before all teams have artificial pitches - seeing how much faster and entertaining the rugby has been with harder pitches you'd think it would be a no brainer

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:17 pm

Fluxy webber was overweight when he first came back. I did not mean over weight generally just he came back with a bit of timber. He is a decent player and was not bashing him. I think he is England standard. Mean scrummager and great carrier. His arrows
Can go which may be a fitness thing.

Bath have worst lineout in prem statistically despite having great jumpers. This is mainly due to them not having had a consistent hooker all season they have used 5 or 6 people.

My bath mates say the lineout has cost them top 4. That and Steven Donald !

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:19 pm

How did glos get humped by sale ? They look awful

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:20 pm

LukeLovesLuka wrote:Sale look awful. Cipriani dreadful.


Agree there. To be fair too him his platform from pack is awful. Even peel looking bad

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:23 pm

I've not been impressed with Peel when I've seen him, def on the slide

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:30 pm

It is a very young Sale team, which is missing Braid and it looks like they've picked a day when Saints have decided to show up as well.

I like Peel, it's hard to judge halfbacks though when their pack gets munched week after week - if you put Peel and Cipriani behind a strong pack I think you'd see them play pretty well.

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:35 pm

Peel has been great In a poor side pooly. Some picked him as a lion outsider which is nonsense.

Sale get demolished up front quite a bit which means its hard being a back there.
Got to admire how young their side
Is. They will be better next year.

One of the best AP scrum halves is peel.

Had a text to say you guys lost to
Bristol today ? They have missed the playoffs so gutted.

They left it too late. They have made good signings and must be favourites next year.

My dad said Ben youngs try was pure instinct and a top score. Not many in the world would have scored it. Spotted backs turned and just went. He also said his kicking was so poor and yet he was magical at times. Sums up his game. he is so good and yet so bad in the same match.

Reckons it Was best game of season so can't wait to stick it on. For him to enjoy a bath win is saying something. He is more one eyed than me!

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:38 pm

Mat - just avert your eyes every time Donald goes near the ball and lines up a kick. It is not pretty viewing - Bath could have won by 10 points or so if they had a different 10.

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:42 pm

He is getting released Chris. He has gone to pieces at bath.

Frees up a spot for matt Scott and have mills who can play ten and goosen so no problems there.

My bath mates would carry him to Heathrow

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Post by Guest Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:43 pm

At start of season they all bigged him up but now they have had enough.

On match report it said he did some great things today yet also made howlers galore

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:48 pm

Bizarre player, can do some great things but makes errors that someone playing amateur rugby wouldnt make

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:56 pm

Yea big loss for us.

We've had a few off days and sounds like this was one of them. Bristol have a good side so glad they didn't make play offs.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 21 Apr 2013, 8:37 am

Table updated.

Congratulations to Tigers who are guaranteed finishing top of the table and a home semi final, top effort from Luke to get up there.

Also congrats to Steve and Mat who have secured a semi-final place. They will definitely play each other, but who has home advantage is not yet settled.

Good luck to Driver and SJE who are still fighting for the final play off spot, and also to Chris and prop who are still fighting for 6th and a guaranteed Heineken Cup spot for next season.

At the bottom end, it's still one from three of Saracens, Worcester and Wasps for the drop.

Also best of luck to all those in semi-final action this week, which includes myself and Bath.

Two weeks to go until the end of the regular season, and every team still has something to play for!!!
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 9:27 am

rule changes have made a difference from the looks of things.

Has anyone run a marathon before?

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 9:34 am

See Savea has been charged with domestic assault.

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,16024_8662372,00.html

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 9:47 am

One for you Chris !

Nz has a few issues off the field

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,16024_8662372,00.html

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 10:53 am

"Dan Cole, Tom Croft, Ben Youngs, Tom Youngs, Manu Tuilagi and Saracens' Owen Farrell. Tigers and England lock Geoff Parling is also in the mix for a place in the squad."

Reported as only England players in Lions squad.

No Robshaw, deemed too slow for the hard pitches?!

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 10:59 am

Amazed launchbury not in that mix. Would not take Tom youngs in anyway.

Where did you read that pooly ?

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 10:59 am

Not taking wood is massive although croft has been excellent and suits conditions over there

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 11:04 am

It's in the Times:

http://www.espnscrum.com/lions-tour-2013/rugby/story/181005.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Youngs probably 3rd best hooker for me behind Best & Hibbard, he'd really suit the pitches.

I did say I couldn't see a place for Wood, although I'd be surprised with no Robshaw.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 11:16 am

Only Hibbard out of them has reliable darts. A year ago I would have gone best by a million miles but he has had a few melt downs this year.

Didn't Hibbard get Injured Friday ?

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 11:19 am

I thought Robshaw could have been useful captaining the dirt trackers in the midweek games.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 11:42 am

Interesting article

http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/20/heineken-cup-future

Could kill Italian and welsh rugby

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 21 Apr 2013, 12:19 pm

Boom!! http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/amateur-rugby/cardiff-saracens-win-swalec-division-2959817
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 1:55 pm

Be interesting to see whether that list of English players includes the 10 or so players that Gatland was undecided on and would wait until the end of the season on.

Bit strange that if he is going on about Robshaw not having the speed, why he wouldn't then pick Launchbury, who surely is the most mobile lock available to him?

There's obviously going to be big a big Welsh bias, which can be expected after they smashed us in the last game - yet they never seem to do well against the Aussies!

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 1:59 pm

Should be a good game tonight, on paper you'd have quite a few of the Wasps players ahead of the Exeter team - but shows you how good the Exeter coaching set up is.

Surprised no one has picked up Ben White the Exeter no6 to help with the EQ (if he's English!), think he is a very good player - keeping Johnson out the Exeter squad at the moment.

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Post by Fluxy Sun 21 Apr 2013, 2:35 pm

TJ has been injured, he was ruled out for the season I thought. White has looked good, I've considered it tbh

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 2:39 pm

TJ back and available - White definitely worth a punt.

How Wade hasnt been given a chance by Lancaster is unbelievable. Great to see him play.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 2:39 pm

Tj is fit now but they are not picking him it said in commentary.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 2:55 pm

That Nowell looks a good player - reminds me a bit of the way that Halfpenny played when he was a winger. Who has him in this game?

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 2:58 pm

Pete. He looks a cracking prospect. Very astute positionally

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 3:02 pm

His timing seems very good too, Exeter have got some good youngsters coming through - have loads in and around the England u18s and u20s. Like to see them doing so well, but wouldn't mind if they drop off a bit in the second 40 now!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 21 Apr 2013, 3:26 pm

Pete,

Are you sure me and Matt will definitely play each other in the semis? Newcastle can overtake them can't they?

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 3:33 pm

Yeah Steve I can be overtaken unless I pick up a lbp

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:06 pm

Wow surprised by the lack of fight in wasps. Exeter were good but as a collective wasps defended poorly

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:09 pm

Been like that last 8 games Mat - can't help but feel there is something not quite right with the coaching set up, as at this level should never happen.

Defence around the fringes was worst I've seen from us though - we also struggle against any team that ups the physicality levels, can't remember last time we beat Saints or Tigers, who play that way too.


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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:23 pm

Wasps not that dissimilar to wasps. Think we are a bit ahead. We used to get outphysicalled
Like that. It can still happen on occasions but not as often anymore.

We started to get a bit done in the second half yesterday but worked it out and took the game away.

Watch the highlights to see may's try's and Morgan's was a cracker. May ran straight through Alex Goode and finished off 2 great passages of
Play.

May and wade are super exciting players

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Post by stnick88 Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:27 pm

Wasps been so poor ever since losing to Irish that kicked off their losing run. Think they need a plan b, if u deny them quick ball they struggle. Only so much wade and varndell can do

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:31 pm

May & Wade great in attack, very suspect in defence but worth a punt

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:35 pm

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/video_audio/181026.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Youngs try, can't imagine another scrum half in world rugby scoring that.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:37 pm

I'm not so sure that either are any more suspect than most wingers to be honest - a lot is made out of Wade's height, but his technique seems pretty good and his pace means he can generally make up ground on side on tackles.

Issue for me with Wade is that sometimes he doesn't look up enough and play the easy ball - at the start of the season he seemed he only wanted to pass it to Varndell and today he could have put Daly in for a certain try.

Daly is quickly becoming one of our best backs though - thought he was great again today.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:40 pm

Wades one on one tackling is much better than Mays but he can be done positionally a little and his height can be targeted, he'd be a worry against a Bowe/Cuthbert.

May is just poor defensively.

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:46 pm

May rucks well and tackles well and ball
In hand is exceptional. Also getting more powerful he smashes through Alex Goode yesterday who I know is poor tackling wise but its something may would
Not been capable of a few years ago.

He played first and second receiver a lot yesterday and it frightens the life out of defences even as good as sarries

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:47 pm

I've never seen the May problem to be honest - haven't seen too many Gloucester games, but have always been surprised at how big a bloke he is.

Wade can rush out of defence too quickly, but that's been more of an end of season thing when the whole Wasps defence has gone to pot. I am surprised more teams don't try and get him with the cross kick though, Quins are the only team I've seen get him with that and that was first game of the season - guessing people are put off from doing it as if the kick goes wrong then Wade will score a try at the other end.

Wonder if he will get a shot with the Lions before he plays for England!

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Post by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:48 pm

May and wade are small and there is always the chance a bigger man may go through but they need a chance to play.

May better positionally having played many positions. Wade electric in small spaces

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 21 Apr 2013, 4:51 pm

May usually poor when I've seen him, he was shocking in Saxons game, was like revolving door.

Great in attack tho

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