2012/13 Premier League discussion thread Part 5

by Guest Sun 14 Apr 2013, 1:23 pm

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The discussion rages on! The end is nigh folks..

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:12 am

Hopefully England deserter Rio will be sold to a team far from these shores.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:16 am

Should probably just sing a song about him and his brother on a bonfire like those pathetic England fans

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:19 am

JPX wrote:Hopefully England deserter Rio will be sold to a team far from these shores.

Deserter?

His brother was racially abused so he gets booted out to make way for a racist who hasn't had a good game in years and we're told its for footballing reasons

Ferdinand has been top class this season and is welcome to see out his career at OT and I think any Utd fan will say the same

by **Crimey** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:25 am

marty2086 wrote:Why is it when Mourinho and Chelsea blew everyone out of the water it was a great team yet when Utd do it the leagues poor and the Utd team aren't fit to lace the boots of all who've gone before?

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that when Mourinho's Chelsea "blew everyone out of the water", that team was streaks ahead of sides that won the Champions League, that were in Champions League semi-finals and finals. The standard of team he was beating was so much better. United's only real challenge this year was a whimpering defence of the title by City who by all accounts have looked a shadow of themselves with the main spine of the side playing at half the level they did last year.

by Stella Tue 23 Apr 2013, 11:32 am

I would say Utd's team of 2005 was on par with this one.

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 12:29 pm

He was called on by his country and basically said he was too busy! I expect he'll be interested again when Brazil comes round

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:00 pm

Did you know Reading fans had an annual inflatables day?

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:29 pm

JPX wrote:He was called on by his country and basically said he was too busy! I expect he'll be interested again when Brazil comes round

Actually he asked the FA medical team if they could accomodate his fitness regime and they couldn't this was after they had been out to Carrington looking over the records for the likes of Rooney, Smalling, Welbeck and the other England players, while they were there the Utd staff repeatedly asked if they wanted to review Rios and they refused

For him to play for England could have been detrimental to his career

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:55 pm

Ha ha heard it all now its all the fa s fault

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 1:59 pm

JPX wrote:Ha ha heard it all now its all the fa s fault

Well if you actually bothered looking into it you'd find out these things rather listening to the rumours

The FA were offered Ferdinands medical records, I think it was a month before hand, and said they didnt need them. These records had full details of his fitness program.

You actually expect him to risk his career for England?

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:05 pm

Why doesnt he just retire from England duty if hes so bad

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:09 pm

Why doesnt he just retire from England duty if hes so bad

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:13 pm

JPX wrote:Why doesnt he just retire from England duty if hes so bad

Because he can still play if hes allowed to follow this regime but to break it could set him backwards

Why do you think hes been playing so much recently

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:18 pm

Because its for his club no doubt he will be ok to fit the world cup into his schedule i personally hope he never gets picked again

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:40 pm

JPX wrote:Because its for his club no doubt he will be ok to fit the world cup into his schedule i personally hope he never gets picked again

No because he has the right regime to help his back

He was willing to walk away from the TV job he had for the England games which Im sure paid tens of thousands to play if they could get his training right but fools like you cant see things like that

So who would you rather got picked?

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:53 pm

Anyone prepared to give their all for their country and just because my opinion differs from yours does not make me a fool

by marty2086 Tue 23 Apr 2013, 2:58 pm

JPX wrote:Anyone prepared to give their all for their country and just because my opinion differs from yours does not make me a fool

You want him to take an unnecassery risk and whereby he wouldnt have been fully fit

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:08 pm

Allegedly anyway it was highly unlikely he would have played two games lets face it san marino was no big ask but our rio would rather fly to qatar which must have done his back the world of good

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:22 pm

The problem is you aren't offering an opinion, you're offering the Sun's nonsense as fact. The fact is he hasn't retired from England duty, like you suggested, yet you also claim him to be a deserter.

I don't know what Marty says to be fact but I do believe he has a very laid out fitness regime that he discussed face to face with the England manager before pulling out. Seems pretty decent to me.

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:27 pm

I never said he retired read again and its a fact he went to qatar rather than play

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 23 Apr 2013, 3:51 pm

Like you suggested he should* (and I take your implication to mean that)

I'm not sure how being in Qatar makes a difference. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been on a small flight with one piece of hand luggage and no leg room.

If he doesn't want to play for England then he has a ready excuse with the anton thing (and god knows rio loves to make a stand). Bloody Terry has retired, forcing the issue with this crud only months before hanging his boots up. Now there's someone deserving of criticism

by JPX Tue 23 Apr 2013, 4:39 pm

Wrong again, I didn't suggest it either, I asked why he doesn't retire if his fitness is so bad he needs this regime to keep fit, as was being made out.

The point about the flight to Qatar is that he surely wasn't following a fitness regime for the duration of that trip, surely?

Anyway, we're not getting anywhere so let agree to disagree.

For the record, I have no respect for Terry, I'm glad he doesn't play for England anymore.

by Ent Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:17 pm

10 games for Suarez.

Hard to swallow that, bit off more than he could chew etc etc

by Guest Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:20 pm

He'll live to bite another day. We'll see him in October.

by NickisBHAFC Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:24 pm

10 games seems fair IMO. Now its time for him to do some serious growing up in this time. Take an early pre season and get his head straight. Come back raring to go next season and hopefully a change of attitude.

by Ent Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:25 pm

It would be great to see him return on Halloween, sky's vampire mock ups would be great.

by GSC Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:40 pm

More than I expected but fair enough given his past I guess

by Stella Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:45 pm

So, 10 matches for this incident alone???

Here is the full Football Association statement regarding its decision to ban Luis Suarez for 10 matches.

"Luis Suarez has been suspended for a total of 10 matches after an Independent Regulatory Commission today ruled on a charge of violent conduct.

"A three-person Independent Regulatory Commission today upheld The FA's claim that a suspension of three matches was clearly insufficient and the player will serve a further seven first-team matches in addition to the standard three. The suspension begins with immediate effect.

"This follows an incident with Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic in Sunday's fixture at Anfield (21 April 2013).

"The Liverpool forward had accepted a charge of violent conduct but had denied The FA's claim that the standard three-match sanction was insufficient for the offence.

"The incident was not seen by the match officials and has therefore been retrospectively reviewed.

"Suarez has until midday on Friday 26 April to appeal the additional suspension, above the standard three matches."

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:47 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22081499

Nice read on Carrick

by Stella Wed 24 Apr 2013, 3:48 pm

You made him, chris.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 4:22 pm

If Tony Carr says he's good then he's good. Thats my rule of football

by GSC Wed 24 Apr 2013, 6:16 pm

In 2 and a half PL seasons, Suarez has picked up bans totalling over half a season

by Guest Wed 24 Apr 2013, 6:21 pm

Suarez is as short as 6/4 to never wear a 'Pool shirt again with Paddy Power.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/football-specials/liverpool-specials/Luis-Suarez-To-Play-For-Liverpool-Again%3f-5127294.html?force_racing_css=N

I wouldn't be all that shocked to see him go in the summer.

10 matches is about right for my money.

by **Crimey** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 8:52 pm

I think 10 matches is ridiculous, especially as the FA's report seems to suggest it was based on this incident, and this incident alone rather than past behaviour.

Roy Keane got less despite admitting he had tried to "hurt" Haaland.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 24 Apr 2013, 9:54 pm

Crimey wrote:I think 10 matches is ridiculous, especially as the FA's report seems to suggest it was based on this incident, and this incident alone rather than past behaviour.

Roy Keane got less despite admitting he had tried to "hurt" Haaland.

Did Keane not admit that in his book?

Bit after the time...

by Ent Wed 24 Apr 2013, 9:58 pm

Olly wrote:
Crimey wrote:I think 10 matches is ridiculous, especially as the FA's report seems to suggest it was based on this incident, and this incident alone rather than past behaviour.

Roy Keane got less despite admitting he had tried to "hurt" Haaland.

Did Keane not admit that in his book?

Bit after the time...

Keane got punished twice for that offense, so I hardly think he got off lightly.

I don't see where the report suggests it was based on solely this incident either

by **Crimey** Thu 25 Apr 2013, 8:29 am

Ent wrote:
Olly wrote:
Crimey wrote:I think 10 matches is ridiculous, especially as the FA's report seems to suggest it was based on this incident, and this incident alone rather than past behaviour.

Roy Keane got less despite admitting he had tried to "hurt" Haaland.

Did Keane not admit that in his book?

Bit after the time...

Keane got punished twice for that offense, so I hardly think he got off lightly.

I don't see where the report suggests it was based on solely this incident either

He got 3 games originally, when he had admitted he wanted to hurt him, he received just an extra five games. So all in all he served 8 games, still less than Suarez for what was essentially just stupid not particularly violent, I can't imagine Ivanovic will be nursing any long term injuries.

The fact that the report for Barton's suspension actually said they were taking his past actions into account and this does no such thing. The full written report may give us further information.

by Stella Thu 25 Apr 2013, 8:57 am

I think it was pretty obvious that Keane wanted to hurt Haaland, even before he admitted it. Now, a 10 game ban for that stamp would have been justified.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 25 Apr 2013, 7:28 pm

I would hope they have taken his past behaviour into account. I do think its flawed to compare it to Keane because the system has changed, the FA have readily admitted the system has changed since the Evra incident too so theres gonna be different approaches

by JamesLincs Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:30 am

so arsenal will do a guard of honour for united on sunday.

im wondering if arsenal fans will respect this

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:18 pm

I doubt the fans will but at least the club hasnt shown itself up by not doing it.

Is Luis going to "abandon" English football?

by Duty281 Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:54 pm

Well done Suarez for accepting the ban, an element of maturity shown.

by Lumbering_Jack Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:04 pm

Suarez, Rogers and Liverpool in general are just a huge PR disaster.

He a scum bag, Rogers looks like all he eats is lemons and the marketing/PR department don't have even the most basic grasp on public image.

10 games is a lot when you consider the bans some get for inflicting more serious injury. But if he didn't want to ban it might have been an idea to not try and eat someone.

Reminiscent of the whole Evra saga. Basically saying the ban is unjust, but then not appealing anyway. They are just making themselves look silly.

by **Crimey** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:15 pm

Almost all clubs would do the same, it's just unfortunate that Liverpool have been caught in two huge controversies. The only thing that was really bad in the long run, was the T-shirts, but I'm still certain this came from a genuine belief that Suarez was innocent.

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:20 pm

You kind of get the impression that if Suarez had shot someone then Rodgers would still be there claiming Suarez was the victim and innocent. The desperation in Rodgers is clear to see and his reliance on Suarez to basically single handedly carry Liverpool and keep him in his job has clouded his judgment and thinking. I still can't believe he compared biting a fellow professional to that of a tennis player throwing his racket at the ground in frustration.

Glad it's 10 games and quite deserved for multiple offences and hopefully he learns from it because at the end of the day, all we want to see is his footballing ability but in a controlled and professional manner. Time to move on.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:22 pm

Aye, time to draw a line under this.

by azania Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:56 pm

The ban is silly and too long. 5 games max. People are going OTT just because it's Suarez. Had it been Gerrard or another much loved player it would have been a slap in the wrist. Look at the way Bale is treated compared to Suarez when diving. One is laughed away and called professionalism and the other accused of being an obscene cheat.

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 5:03 pm

What do we all make of the planned guard of honour at the Emirates tomorrow?

A load of nonsense in my view.

by NickisBHAFC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 5:27 pm

FreekShow wrote:What do we all make of the planned guard of honour at the Emirates tomorrow?

A load of nonsense in my view.

How on earth is it nonsense?

Guard of honors should always happen IMO and it shows a great deal of respect, which has been earn't by the Champions. Man United have been a class above everyone in the league this season and should rightfully be clapped onto the pitch by all of the spectators in attendance and by fellow professionals Arsenal.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 5:30 pm

I'm all for it, respect should be shown to those who achieve. If Man United can do it for others why can it not be the same either way? In the same way as I like seeing managers congratulating opposition players at the end of the game when they have played extremely well and moments like Flintoff with Brett Lee when there is respect in defeat.

Although Im not saying the fans will clap, not sure I would if it was Spurs, thankfully I wont live to see that day.

Nice to see City and West Ham fans are doing a minutes applause for Marc Vivien Foe on the 23rd min. In two months it is ten years since he passed away, its been decided this is the best chance for both sets of fans to show their respects

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