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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


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Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 10 May 2013, 11:35 pm

Saull at 16st is about right I guess, Chris seems to think Daley is over 15st so perhaps Saull is 20st???

Saull is like one of Pococks arms

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Post by Guest Fri 10 May 2013, 11:45 pm

Most stats have pocock 1kg heavier ?????

Pocock is massive and mass weighs.


English clubs always inflate size no idea why. Johnny may was 210 pounds on glos website at start of year??

He is 198 on Rfu

He is about 204 max now after bulking which is about 14-1/2



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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 May 2013, 12:01 am

Which is about right.

We were comparing Goode - Daly the other week and Goode was down as 13.5st and Daly 14.5. Re-checked the other day and Goode was up to 14.5st.

Pretty impressive weight gain in week or so

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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 12:16 am

if you can find the stuff that does the reverse, give me a bell!

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:25 am

With you there Fluxy.

I will pay!

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:29 am

Goode is very small. Daly much bigger and solid.


On the rugby blog Goode called "mr average" or " bombers love child "

Only they can see how he plays fb for England.

Kearney Hogg halfpenny folau foden Byrne tait abendanon Beale Dagg masi etc show how key fb is to attacking.
It's turnover ball

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:29 am

Neither are massive though daly 14 1/2 to 15

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:33 am

Size at fb does not matter much although height helps.
Kicking highball and counter is key.


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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 12:47 am

You missed out Mogg Matt, easily one of my favourite players for the past two/three seasons!

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:54 am

Yes very good Fluxy great boot pace and elusive . Top option.
Most Aussies going for Beale or folau. Rather mogg as a
Safer option.

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 1:20 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/10047798/Heineken-Cup-play-offs-between-English-and-French-clubs-mooted.html

??? Not sure. Another game not
Needed. Agree only top 6 Rabo should qualify.

No reason Connacht dragons Scarlets should be in heino.

However would ringfence Italian team. Tough to make fair.


Anyone seen new scrum laws. Kills hit but will make less resets but negate proper scrummagers unless they adapt.

Suits naturally strong chaps like Healy. Hope its not in lions series

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 11 May 2013, 7:34 am

anonmattyt wrote:Yes very good Fluxy great boot pace and elusive . Top option.
Most Aussies going for Beale or folau. Rather mogg as a
Safer option.

Beale should be nowhere near the Aussie team for the Lions series. Great player but needs to sort his head out. I'd start Mogg and have Folau covering 11,13,14 and 15 from the bench.

15. Mogg
14. O'Connor
13. Ashley-Cooper
12. Lealiifano
11. Ioane
10. Cooper
9. Genia

would be the backline I'd start in the first test.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 7:46 am

I agree with you Pete. Beale's head evidently a mess.

Cooper's form can't be ignored by any sane coach. If Genia gets injured then reconsider, but anyone outside Genia but Cooper seems non-nonsensical to me.

Mogg looks ready for international rugby and Folau a game breaker who can add something if struggling off the bench.

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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 8:12 am

That was my side with or without Beale to be honest. He needs to settle down in on position instead if being shunted between the two

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 8:16 am

Fluxy wrote:That was my side with or without Beale to be honest. He needs to settle down in on position instead if being shunted between the two

Same with oconnor who has not progressed as I thought he would. Make him play one position

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 8:33 am

issue for JOC is Rebels play him where they need him rather than where he wants and Oz have the luxury of filling the backs with who they want and JOC fits were the space is.


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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 8:48 am

It's a shame. If it continues I am see him becoming the oz James Hook!

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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 8:49 am

Or the English Austin Healey! lol

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 11 May 2013, 9:05 am

SJE you might like this one, Kvesvic picks up 2 awards at Worcester, players player and young player of the season. They will miss him next year.

http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/24902.php#.UY37jbWTjKA

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 11 May 2013, 10:35 am

Try of the season?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP-rtldjZYk

Tight head prop from 40metres and then rounding a fullback - anyone have Aulika in this game? Didn't he score something like 9 tries this season!

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Post by Guest Sat 11 May 2013, 12:06 pm

Berrick Barnes back after 6 weeks out another wallaby back to try and fit in

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Post by Driver Sat 11 May 2013, 12:24 pm

Where do aus get all these backs from?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 12:32 pm

And they lose more than we do to NRL!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 12:35 pm

I really hope Quins do Leicester this afternoon! Will be mighty tough though.

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Post by Driver Sat 11 May 2013, 12:37 pm

I like quins as a club. Hope theuy win but cant see it
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 1:10 pm

Here is a good team of the year

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/club-rugby/chris-hewetts-aviva-premiership-team-of-the-season-8611889.html

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 11 May 2013, 2:27 pm

I'm not sure about the whole of the Wasps coaching set up to be perfectly honest, losing Woodman was a mistake, especially as Young is meant to be taking over.

Stephen Jones had a huge influence on our backs this year, but when you have guys like Daly, Wade and Varndell you are going to score a lot.

Still can't decide if I like Young or not - we sometimes look a bit lost and lack some structure - with Goode and Myall in for nexxt season you can imagine that we'll be focusing a lot more on lineouts and using that as an attacking platform.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 May 2013, 3:07 pm

What's not to like Chris, you nearly got relegated last season and pushed for a HC spot this.

JOC possibly out of Lions series

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Post by stnick88 Sat 11 May 2013, 3:38 pm

No one has Aulika Chris I may go for him. 11 tries this season for him is mighty impressive but also he won so many scrum pens. Quality player. Bit like tonga'uhia just a beast.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 3:49 pm

Quins should have belted it out. That could cost them the game.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 11 May 2013, 3:54 pm

Who missed that tackle on goneva? Evans? Should of got him in to touch there.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 4:25 pm

Manu has had a quiet game. Both Youngs, Care, Croft and Wallace going well as is Tait.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 11 May 2013, 4:35 pm

That is Tom Croft at his best and is why he is a Lion. Whilst tough on Robshaw and Wood his inclusion makes sense with games like today

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 May 2013, 4:37 pm

Croft is a different player in the summer

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Post by Fluxy Sat 11 May 2013, 5:51 pm

For once I can big up one of my players Whistle

Tait was brilliant today.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 May 2013, 5:53 pm

He's really settling in Flux, can see him competing with Brown & Goode if he carries on.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 11 May 2013, 8:08 pm

Fluxy, Tait has been brilliant for last 4-5 games, almost getting back to his best - such an exciting runner. Got some good fullbacks coming through, makes such a difference when your fullback and backthree can put you on the front foot - Lancaster might need to take note there!

Tigers were great today. Quins need to find individuals who can win them games with a bit of magic - they've really only got Care who can do that, whilst Tigers have 6-7 players who can change a game.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 May 2013, 9:02 pm

Talking of back 3's, I wonder if we've seen the end of Ashton in an England shirt....

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 9:56 am

Heaslip continuing his poor run of form by. Being man of match in semi final. How can he get out of this slump

http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/matchcentre/16578.php

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 10:00 am

Tait has been good last few games but still made some howlers. Prefer him back 2 to centre though.

Needs to have another season playing well to be near England.

Don't trust him to not make an error at fb and kicking needs work. Great broken field runner

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 10:35 am

anonmattyt wrote:Heaslip continuing his poor run of form by. Being man of match in semi final. How can he get out of this slump

http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/matchcentre/16578.php

Pretty sure it was yourself who said the Rabo was a joke league and you can't judge form from it.....

When was the last time Heaslip had a good game at International level?? It certainly wasn't the 6N as he was utter dross and the worst 8 in the comp.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 10:40 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
anonmattyt wrote:Heaslip continuing his poor run of form by. Being man of match in semi final. How can he get out of this slump

http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/matchcentre/16578.php

Pretty sure it was yourself who said the Rabo was a joke league and you can't judge form from it.....

When was the last time Heaslip had a good game at International level?? It certainly wasn't the 6N as he was utter dross and the worst 8 in the comp.


Can't believe you are still not admitting it. Nailed on lions 8. Would bet large on it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 10:45 am

He's got some decent club form behind him but only when his pack is completely on top.

His Int form for a few years now has been very poor, I'm not a fan.

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Post by Fluxy Sun 12 May 2013, 11:02 am

Wouldn't want to disappoint you Matt, but I think Faletau is more likely to start for the lions. Just offers a better carrying option to allow Others space around the park.

Although, it's any bodies guess who will get that 8 shirt with Heaslips rise in form. Unless you're Warren Gatland Matt ghost

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:05 am

All comes down to Gatland's opinion. The fact that gatland considered him for captain makes you think he considers him first choice.

That said its about how you perform on tour. Every pundit has heaslip starting also

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:06 am

Lock seems to be the most open. Have barely seen any pundit agree on locks

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:07 am

Watching yesterday's game . Tom youngs started well

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 May 2013, 11:09 am

Reckon Croft has played himself into the starting line up, can see the bench including:

Mako, Youngs, Cole, Youngs, Farrell and Manu.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 11:13 am

A backrow of Croft/Warburton/Heaslip would offer next to nothing in carrying, it's all about balance end of the day.

I can't believe Heaslip was considered as captain, he's not exactly covered himself in glory in a green jersey.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:16 am

Depends how he wants to play it Chris.

Can see him having either Hartley or Hibbars starting as we want to target scrum. If he wants to carry on in that vein he may have a similar type of bench hooker.

Similarly Connor Murray is similar to Phillips so he may pick him to offer similar threat.

Personally I prefer bench to be different kinds of players to change the game.

Tough job Gatland has

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