Saracens Rugby Football Club

by **Ozzy3213** Sat May 14, 2011 2:26 am

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SARACENS RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB

Full name: Saracens Football Club
Union: Rugby Football Union
Nickname: Sarries
Founded: 1876
Location: St. Albans, England
Ground: Vicarage Road, Watford (Capacity: 19,920)
Chairman: Nigel Wray
Captain: John Smit
Competitions: Aviva Premiership, Heineken Cup, Anglo Welsh Cup.
2011–12: Aviva Premiership Runners Up, Heineken Cup Runners Up
2010–11: Aviva Premiership Runners Up, Heineken Cup Semi Finals
2009-10: Guinness Premiership Champions, Heineken Cup Quarter Finals
2008-09 Guinness Premiership Runners Up

COACHING STAFF

Head coach: Ozzy3213

Forwards coach: Jono Gibbes
Scrum coach: Naka Drotske
Defence coach: John Mitchell
Attack coach: Wayne Smith

Academy Manager: Rassie Erasmus
Assistant Manager: Thinus Delport

Senior Squad (40/40)

Nat	Pos	Name	dob	Height	Weight	Caps	Between	Points	Tries	Cons	Pens	DG
	HK	John Smit	03/04/1978	6ft 2ins	19st	111	2000-2011	40	8	-	-	-
	HK	Bismarck du Plessis	22/05/1984	6ft 2ins	17st 12lbs	45	2007-	30	6	-	-	-
	HK	George Chuter	09/07/1976	5ft 11ins	15st 6lbs	24	2006-2010	5	1	-	-	-



	PR	Alex Corbisiero	30/08/1988	6ft 1in	18st 12lbs	16	2011-	-	-	-	-	-
	PR	Matt Mullan	23/02/1987	6ft	17st 9lbs	1	2010-	-	-	-	-	-
	PR	Max Lahiff	09/12/1989	6ft 1in	18st 3lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-

	PR	Adam Jones	08/03/1981	6ft	20st	85	2003-	10	2	-	-	-
	PR	Jannie du Plessis	16/11/1982	6ft 2ins	19st 1lb	33	2007-	5	1	-	-	-
	PR	Dave Wilson	09/04/1985	6ft 2ins	19st 3lbs	19	2009-	-	-	-	-	-
	PR	Phil Swainston	12/12/1989	6ft	17st 5lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-



	LK	Lionel Nallet	14/09/1976	6ft 5ins	18st 2lbs	74	2000-2012	45	9	-	-	-
	LK	Steve Borthwick	12/10/1979	6ft 6ins	17st 11lbs	57	2001-2010	10	2	-	-	-
	LK	Rob Simmons	19/04/1989	6ft 7ins	18st 2lbs	20	2010-	-	-	-	-	-
	LK	George Skivington	03/12/1982	6ft 6ins	18st 2lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-
	LK	Rynhardt Elstadt	20/12/1989	6ft 6ins	18st 2lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-



	FL	George Smith	14/07/1980	5ft 11ins	16st 3 lbs	110	2000-2009	45	9	-	-	-
	FL	Alessandro Zanni	31/01/1984	6ft 3ins	16st 8lbs	65	2005-	10	2	-	-	-
	FL	Thierry Dusautoir	18/11/1981	6ft 2ins	15st 10lbs	54	2006-	30	6	-	-	-
	FL	Ross Rennie	29/03/1986	6ft 1in	16st	19	2008-	-	-	-	-	-
	FL	Ofisa Treviranus	31/03/1984	6ft 2in	17st	19	2009-	5	1	-	-	-
	FL	Tom Johnson	16/07/1982	6ft 2ins	16st 3lbs	3	2012-	-	-	-	-	-

	N8	Joe van Niekerk	14/05/1980	6ft 4ins	17st	52	2001-2010	50	10	-	-	-
	N8	Duane Vermeulen	03/07/1986	6ft 4ins	18st 4lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-





	SH	Morgan Parra	15/11/1988	5ft 11ins	12st 2lbs	42	2008-	274	2	36	63	1
	SH	Francois Hougaard	06/04/1988	5ft 10ins	14st 2lbs	18	2009-	20	4	-	-	-
	SH	Paul Hodgson	25/04/1982	5ft 8ins	12st 6lbs	9	2008-	-	-	-	-	-
	SH	Dewaldt Duvenage	22/05/1988	5ft 8ins	12st 4lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-



	FH	Francois Trinh-Duc	11/11/1986	6ft	13st 5lbs	41	2008-	70	9	2	1	6
	FH	Ian Humphreys	24/04/1982	5ft 11ins	13st 1lb	0	-	-	-	-	-	-



	CE	Ma'a Nonu	21/05/1982	6ft	16st 10lbs	66	2003-	110	22	-	-	-
	CE	Jonathan Davies	05/04/1988	6ft 1in	16st 3lbs	29	2009-	40	8	-	-	-
	CE	Tom Casson	06/04/1990	6ft	14st 2lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-
	CE	Henry Trinder	14/04/1989	6ft	13st 5lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-
	CE	Nevin Spence	26/04/1990	6ft	14st 13lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-



	WG	Bryan Habana	12/06/1983	5ft 11ins	14st 11lbs	77	2004-	200	40	-	-	-
	WG	Mark Cueto	26/12/1979	6ft	15st	56	2001-2011	100	20	-	-	-
	WG	Andrew Trimble	20/10/1984	6ft 2ins	15st 6lbs	48	2005-	55	11	-	-	-
	WG	Digby Ioane	14/07/1985	5ft 10ins	14st 9lbs	25	2007-	45	9	-	-	-
	WG	Luke Fitzgerald	13/09/1987	6ft 1in	14st 7lbs	24	2006-	10	2	-	-	-



	FB	Tom Homer	01/04/1990	5ft 10ins	14st 5lbs	0	-	-	-	-	-	-

Senior Academy (19/20)

Nat	Pos	Name	dob	Height	Weight	Caps	Between	Points	Tries	Cons	Pens	DG
	HK	Christopher Tolofua	31/12/1993	6ft	18st 8lbs	1	2012-	-	-	-	-	-
	HK	Tom Cowan-Dickie	26/05/1991	6ft	16st 5lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	PR	Steven Kitshoff	10/02/1992	6ft	18st 12lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	PR	Frans Malherbe	14/03/1991	6ft 2ins	18st 12lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	LK	Paul Willemse	13/11/1992	6ft 7ins	20st	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	LK	Addison Lockley	25/10/1991	6ft 6ins	16st 7lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	LK	Ruan Botha	10/01/1992	6ft 8ins	17st 11lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	FL	Siya Kolisi	16/06/1991	6ft 2ins	15st 13lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	FL	Luke Wallace	02/10/1990	6ft 1in	14st 13lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	N8	Alex Gray	01/05/1991	6ft 5ins	16st 7lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-



	SH	Eric Escande	18/11/1992	5ft 9ins	12st 4lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	SH	James Lightfoot-Brown	21/06/1993	5ft 8ins	11st 13lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	FH	Owen Farrell	24/09/1991	6ft 2ins	15st 1lb	8	2012-	81	-	6	23	-
	FH	Patric Lambie	17/10/1990	5ft 10ins	14st 6lbs	13	2011-	6	-	3	-	-
	CE	Pat Howard	21/03/1991	6ft 2ins	15st 13lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	WG	Milford Keresoma	01/02/1992	5ft 10ins	14st 13lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	WG	Oliver Cicognini	TBC	TBC	TBC	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	FB	Jaco Taute	21/03/1991	6ft 3ins	15st 11lbs	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
	FB	Jack Nowell	11/04/1993	5ft 11ins	14st	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

Protected Academy

Scott Spurling
Max Crumpton
Nick Auterac
Tom Jubb
Maro Itoje
Matt Hankin
Sam James
James Thacker

Thomas Chapman
Nathan Earle
Charlie Kingsman
Nick Tompkins
Josh Sharp

Playing record under current head coach

Premiership
Home: P 47 W 42 D 3 L 2
Away: P 43 W 18 D 10 L 15
Neutral: P 4 W 1 D 0 L 3
Total: P 94 W 61 D 13 L 20 PF 2142 PA 1803 TF 236 TA 154

Heineken Cup
Home: P 12 W 12 D 0 L 0
Away: P 11 W 8 D 1 L 2
Neutral: P 1 W 0 D 0 L 1
Total: P 24 W 20 D 1 L 3

Anglo Welsh Cup
Home: P 6 W 4 D 0 L 2
Away: P 7 W 2 D 0 L 5
Total: P 13 W 6 D 0 L 7

Total Playing Record
Home: P 65 W 58 D 3 L 4
Away: P 61 W 28 D 11 L 22
Neutral: P 5 W 1 D 0 L 4

Total: P 131 W 87 D 14 L 30

Budget: £12 million

(all stats correct as of 14/08/2012)

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:45 am

Not that interested in him mate.

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:49 am

I'd want a back rower, centre or fly half mate.

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:58 am

Haha oh Pete you and your beloved Mapusua. Not overly keen on any of those players mate so I'll keep hold of Nieto.

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:05 am

Everyone seems to have a lot of respect for the bloke. I'm pretty dissapointed we wont be seeing him in the AP anymore used to be a treat to watch him play.

Picking up on what you said in your comments on my squad mate which big player do you think I should go for? I reckon I need a quality openside flanker if I'm honest.

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:20 am

Cheers for the advice mate, what for Owen Farrell?

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:26 am

Haha you did walk right into that one mate Wink

I don't think I can offer what your looking for, just built up my squad can't really lose a lot of players for Farrell. I'll keep looking for a ten to buy from other teams.

by 'Arry Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:30 am

I used my third foreign on Deon Stegmann mate, I'm sure I'll be able to find someone.

by CJB Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:52 am

Not a fan of the offer tbh

by Driver Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:31 am

Exeter Chiefs vs. Leicester Tigers
Gloucester vs. London Wasps
Harlequins vs. London Irish
Saracens vs. Worcester Warriors
Sale Sharks vs. Northampton
Newcastle Falcons vs. Bath

If anybody want's to play each other Pete feel free to knock some new fixtures up.

by Driver Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:32 am

Cheers by the way thumbsup

by dammit_chris Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:48 am

what sort of players have you got in mind for Wilson?

by Steven_Sharks Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:44 am

No deal I'm afraid. Don't want to loose him as my EQ's are in trouble as it is.

Quite fancying him for a starting berth at Irish since you didn't snap up Hendrie Fourie particularly during the World Cup. Massive Future ahead of him as you well know.

Still can't believe I got him , Gillies and someones else for 10 mil

by dammit_chris Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:02 am

I'd swap him for Mullan

by Driver Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:45 am

Who could you offer for Botha? I'm open to offers for him.

by Driver Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:55 am

Think that's the hardest question to answer on the game mate lol , interested in lots of players from everyone's teams it's just finding the right ones to suit a game plan.

I'd say from your side i'm keen on Matt Mullen , Pat Lambie , Francois Hougaard , Tim Visser and Johnathan Davies

by Driver Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:05 am

No interest in Mapasua

by Driver Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:07 am

Can't say any of them players you offered interest me mate

by Driver Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:13 am

Not interested in cash.

Which players do you have available from your squad all together?

by Guest Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:36 am

Fourie or Strauss not for sale I have depth at hooker now so not changing that.

What for mercey??

by stnick88 Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:08 pm

sorry mate neither for sale

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:55 pm

Sorry mate losing Paice would screw up my 5 eq for the season just cant do it without an eq starter coming back thumbsup

by stnick88 Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:56 pm

well im interested in cueto, JVN, wood, dusatoir and corbisiero

by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:31 am

Sorry mate you saw how muh effort I put in to getting Kruger so wont be letting him go for a while Chuter would weaken my starting side

by stnick88 Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:37 am

buckland or briggs interest you?

by stnick88 Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:40 am

just wondering as you are after a WC hooker. would do in a deal with chuter

by stnick88 Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:50 am

nah would leave me light at hooker

by stnick88 Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:05 am

sorry mate no real benefit for me there.

by dammit_chris Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:54 am

in my squad I have 5 players who are still academy players and not a full academy, so am spot on with no. of players in my squad overall - probably isnt very clear from my page though!

by dammit_chris Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:34 am

in that case Gill and Savea can still be part of my academy.

will look at trimming down my squad over the next week or two - as it stands have exactly 55 in squad and 20 in academy.

by CJB Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:38 am

Don't need cash

by dammit_chris Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:32 am

Savea is still 20 mate.

by Driver Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:49 am

Chuter and Mercy for Botha?

by dammit_chris Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:49 am

That's possibly the worst bid I have ever had on here mate lol

by prop_lyd Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:06 am

They're 3 of my big hitters so not too keen on that sorry. Looking to improve at 12 and back 3

by dammit_chris Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:49 am

Wilson is an England international whislt Rowan is someone who will specialise in 7s and more than likely not make it in the 15 a side game - I also have a load of backrowers so just not keen on him.

Id swap wilson for mullan

by 'Arry Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:25 pm

Chuter interests me.

by 'Arry Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:31 pm

Can't really lose Nieto as he is one of my props for the WC. Anyone else you like?

by CJB Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:53 am

With Mears I'd like a deal with one of these in so if you put something together?
Mullan
Corbs
Beast
Kithcener
Eldstadt (kinda)
Dus
Narraway
Zanni (kinda)
Wood
Hodgson (kinda)
Hougaard
Parra
Trinh Duc
Nonu
Ioane
Ranger

Armitage would need a better deal as he is an English starter

by Driver Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:22 am

Botha + ????

for

Mercy + So'oialo

by Driver Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:41 pm

Actually mate with Rod going to Japan i can see his ratings drop now i'm going to throw a biggie your way.

Botha + Delve

for

Mercy + JVN

- Botha is pretty well rated on here as is Delve who has just come back off a strong super 15 season.

- Mercy is low down the order of props on this game and in the real world but is EQ.

- JVN seems to get picked on when you play him at 6 which is where i'v seen you play him most of the time.

by Driver Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:23 pm

Botha for Mercey + £7 million

Sorry mate would rather have a player than the £7m

by Driver Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:26 pm

Botha + Pisi

for

Mercey + Homer

by Driver Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:31 pm

What if Pisi became Matt Smith? Covers 11-15

by Driver Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:55 am

Tom Mercey, Alex Grove, Josh Matavesi + £4m would do that

by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:37 am

Similar quality English mate, any position

by prop_lyd Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:31 pm

Interested in Adam Jones and Zanni....

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:58 pm

Interested in one of your comments in predo's Pete:

"Think McAlister has been dire for a while now"

Really? I thought he had one of his best seasons for a few years and was quite surprised he wasn't in AB reckoning, something backed up by a fair bit of the NZ press. He was in 2 teams of the weeks and the alternitive in a fair few others.

Of all the players in mine and Johnny's backlines (JTH, Benjamin, Abendanon, Rooney) I find it a little odd McAlister has been singled out as being "dire" when he was pretty good and is world class on his day, something most on show could only dream of!

Always interested in seeing how people think at predo time so don't think I'm having a pop as I'm def not kiss

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:29 pm

Yea no probs mate, I understand where you're coming from I just think he has a general solid all round game at quite a high standard and has played very well throughout this season. I think we mostly look for our 12's to be busting the line and that's not really McAlister game. I actually think 36 has a similar kind of style to McA.

People have their ratings and you've got to respect that. For example, I really like Beast and rate him very highly, think he's got a great all round game. Some just see him as weakness in the set piece.

I think Ranger is a real talent too and will kick on to be one best around but some can't see past his suspect defence which I don't really see when I watch him.

Cheers for that.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:47 am

Things have to be put into perspective though I guess, it all depends on the opposition. I could never mark Narraway down for coming up against a prem standard backrow and would never mention it. But up against say Burger, Ferris and Hari he'd be out of his depth in my opinion. Not a weakness by any means.

Your main probs this week for me was your wing pair, but again if they came up against 2 standard prem players it wouldn't be an issue.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:13 am

Our teams could look so different come wc. I'm sweating on Juan Smith, PDJ, Servat, Brussow, Vermeulen, Barcella, PDJ, Robshaw!

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