Euro Division LXVII

by **Afro** Tue 08 Oct 2013, 15:24

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606V2 EURODivision

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Event: The great 606v2 meet up extravaganza
Date: Saturday 26 October 2013
Location: London
Venue: TBC, likely a sports bar
Time: 1900 onwards
Attending: Azzy + Viva + Sodhat + Marky + Nando (maybe), Olly, cherries others TBC

Season 1 Starts this week
Tactics due by 11.59pm on Friday 16th August

Tactics are sent to Olly

Votes are sent to sodhat. Votes must be in by 11:59pm on Monday of the appropriate gameweek.

The Enrique & J from 5ive League

FC WHU Do You Think You Are - Gregers

Tactics

Bilbao - Afro

Injuries

Would you dance, if Ajax you to dance? - Sodhat

Lawyers

Southampton FC - Marky

Fixtures

PSV - CF

Table

Sport Club Corinthians Paulista - Nando

Top Scorers

Lille - Trebs

Glad t'be bach - Hero

FC Basel - Viva

FC ZwagAtletico - Zinedine_Ze_Zebra

The Nodge - Olly

Fool 'em FC - Azzy

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 11:45

I could spend a whole evening down the pub regaling you with my escapades at uni with various young ladies...I'm sort of proud, but not. One new years eve I was back home with my mates when the latest young lady called me to wish me happy new year, all she heard was "cok up ya ar5e, cok up ya ar5e, you love it you dirty beatch" from my mates picard

by Trebs Fri 11 Oct 2013, 11:59

I'd be pretty confident Carroll and Tevez is at least in the top five Laugh

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:01

You don't need to modify arse on here, that is more accepted than the scientific terms for your butthole.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:03

Well everyone hates science, am I right?

I hope Roy picks both Wilshere and Barkley tonight. Put Gerrard between them, let those two do the running, allows Stevie G to pick his passes. If I see Lampard in an England shirt tonight a small part of me will die inside.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:08

Gerrard and his aimless Hollywood passes, Carrick MUST play for England but Hodgson is another boot licker and plays his favourites.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:11

Carrick has never had one good game for England. And it was Gerrard and his Hollywood passes that got England out of the group stages of the Euros, single-handed. Carrick is dross.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:28

Are you sure Azzy because I can clearly remember you saying you stopped watching England in 2003 after the players were apparently going to abandon the match against Turkey.

Carrick has only made 2 appa from 2001-2003 ,you stopped watching England so you can't really comment on any England matches after 2003. An I know you are a man of your word Azzy and if you say you've never watched England after 2003 I know you haven't just like when you say you wouldn't take GTA even if they paid you. *Sarcasm Smiley*

Carrick is not appreciated by England and he wasn't in the Euro 12 squad. Gerrard played good in a tournament for the first time 03-10 Lampard has been better in the international scene.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:31

I've spoken about plenty of England games in the last year, are you mad bruv? Laugh

If you gave me GTAV for free, I'd take it, and sell it. I have no interest in the game.

Carrick has been rubbish for England every time I've seen him play, including his three most recent games against Montenegro, Ireland and Brazil.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:38

Afternoon, sent tactics last night. Will try get my votes in later today.

England to draw tonight is my prediction.
Carrick should start too, 31 interceptions in 7 games, much higher than Gerrard, Lamps or Wilshere individually or them three as a collective group. Carrick also has the best pass accuracy & succession on any over 11m.
I just think with Carrick holding Gerrard & Wilshere will can have more influence going forward which is what we need tonight, to go forward & win the match.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:43

Azzy but you said because of your principals and beliefs you would never watch England again but you have done so, all those claims you've made about hating so and so and wouldn't play Fifa for a million pounds etc is a big fat lie.

Gerrard has been rubbish for the last 12 years for England.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 11 Oct 2013, 12:51

Sorry boys but there is no way Carrick should start tonight, he's been utter utter garbage for England.

And I'm sorry Trebs but I dont like the Carroll/Tevez partnership. Tevez is far too good a player to be feeding off scraps from Carroll, the play should go through him. Its deffo not a Top 5 partnership not even close

by GSC Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:14

It's hard to keep picking Carrick when he's terrible every time

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:15

BBC Sport wrote:Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley ruled out of England's World Cup qualifiers against Montenegro and Poland with a calf injury.

DISASTER

by **Afro** Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:18

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
BBC Sport wrote:Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley ruled out of England's World Cup qualifiers against Montenegro and Poland with a calf injury.
DISASTER

If your Montenegran or Polish it is

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:18

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Azzy but you said because of your principals and beliefs you would never watch England again but you have done so, all those claims you've made about hating so and so and wouldn't play Fifa for a million pounds etc is a big fat lie.

Gerrard has been rubbish for the last 12 years for England.

Surely you aren't accusing Azzy, of all people, of hyperbole or overreacting?

Scandalous.

by Marky Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:25

Team for tonight then if you were England manager.

Mine:

Hart

Johnson - Cahill - Jagielka - Baines

Gerrard - Wilshere

Milner - Rooney - Welbeck

Sturridge

or

Hart

Johnson - Cahill - Jagielka - Baines

Gerrard - Wilshere - Milner

Sturridge - Rooney - Welbeck

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:26

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Azzy but you said because of your principals and beliefs you would never watch England again but you have done so, all those claims you've made about hating so and so and wouldn't play Fifa for a million pounds etc is a big fat lie.

Gerrard has been rubbish for the last 12 years for England.

I said at the time, my lad likes watching England play so we watch the games together.

Gerrard was the only England player in the Euro 2012 team of the tournament, suck on that you hater boxing

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:27

Carrick is actually the best English player in the role he does. All his stats show hes highly efficient at playing his role.
If Woy & England choose not to tactically have that holding type of role then so be it, Carrick has no place in the team.
If England play the role then Carrick should be occupy it as he is the best Englishman at it.

GSC, you say hes terrible every time is he actually terrible. Cleverly is terrible (most of the time). Carrick is a good player, rarely gives the ball away, uses the ball well, great interception rate, good tackling rate & has great short & long range passing.
Hes just not used correctly in the England setup & the England system may not or doesnt have a need for his strengths.

This is the system that has seen us needing to win our last two match to qualify for the World Cup in a group we should in theory be sitting top of.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:28

-------------- Hart
----- Jagielka - Cahill - Jones
Milner - Gerrard - Wilshere - Baines
----- Sturridge - Barkley
---------- Rooney

Jones and Jagielka cover for Milner and Baines when they get forward, Gerrard hangs back too. And going forwards that's a team that scores 4/5.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:38

Azzy Mahmood wrote:Gerrard hangs back too. And going forwards that's a team that scores 4/5.

Disagree Azzy, doesnt make sense to restrict Gerrard's play away from his strengths. Sturridge out of position. Milner is not very good either. 3 at the back is also a new untried system.
Need to stick with that they know for tonight & get the win.

by Marky Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:42

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
Azzy Mahmood wrote:Gerrard hangs back too. And going forwards that's a team that scores 4/5.
Disagree Azzy, doesnt make sense to restrict Gerrard's play away from his strengths. Sturridge out of position. Milner is not very good either. 3 at the back is also a new untried system.
Need to stick with that they know for tonight & get the win.

You were going so well, then you said that.

Milner is criminally underrated and is a great player for England.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:51

Zebs, Gerrard has lots of strengths. Tackling. Passing. Reading the play. He is a better holding midfielder than Carrick will ever be.

Sturridge can play anywhere up front, how is sitting behind Rooney suddenly being out of position?

Milner only plays because England have RBs who can't defend - Walker, Johnson, Walker, Walker, Johnson, Walker - if we play him as RWB, that gives us an extra body.

Pretty sure all those players would be able to play a 3-4-3 against Montenegro. If you plan to play that way all week, and train that way, then the players could carry it off fine.

So instead, we'll go:

------------------- Hart
Walker ---- Cahill ---- Jagielka ------ Baines
Milner - Gerrard - Wilshere - Lampard - Sturridge
---------------- Rooney

And struggle to a draw. Great idea.

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:59

We'll win a terrible game 1-0. That's my prediction right there.

I think we should line up 4-3-3 with:

Hart
Walker - Cahill - Jagielka - Baines
Gerrard - Wilshere - Lampard
Sturridge - Rooney - Welbeck

But then I won't live or die by the result tonight. I'm still in the glow of a 3-0 win at White Hart Lane.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:08

I couldn't care less about whether England win, lose or draw. But World Cup coverage in this country is much better when people are excited about England being involved, so I want them to qualify. If they don't, who cares? Sack Roy, appoint Harry, fail to qualify for Euro 16, sack Harry, etc etc.

England need to start playing their kids NOW - Caulker, Barkley, Oxo Cube, Jones, Smalling, Shaw - and leave Lampard etc out to dry.

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:19

Marky wrote:Milner is criminally underrated and is a great player for England.

lol. I dont think hes that great. OK I was a bit harsh, he is good but I dont think he offers what England needs & enough from his play. He work hard which is good & hes a decent all rounder.....hes just a better version of Cleverly Laugh

(that will wind a few of you guys up) as he doesnt make as many mistakes. Standard run if the mill decent player.

Azzy wrote:Zebs, Gerrard has lots of strengths. Tackling. Passing. Reading the play. He is a better holding midfielder than Carrick will ever be.

Gerrard does have a lot of strengths. But he is not a better holding midfielder than Carrick. His passing range & accuracy is great, use of the ball is great but he does not anywhere near the interception rate of Carrick. All of the best past & present holding midfield players are highly effective at intercepting the ball, Makelele was fantastic & look at how often Real's Madrid were exposed after they sold him!
Gerrard can preform in a number of midfield roles but he is most efficient & best when hes getting around the pitch not hanging back playing a holding role, his strengths are better suited to attacking then trying to protect the back four.

Azzy wrote:Sturridge can play anywhere up front, how is sitting behind Rooney suddenly being out of position?

To be blunt, it is out of position. Sturridge has played on the wing before & upfront. Striker at City, winger at Chelsea, striker at Liverpool, England U21's striker. He hasnt played behind the main striker. EDIT: Even in his current role he plays infront od Suarez. It would make more sense him plaing striker & Rooney behind him.

Azzy wrote:Pretty sure all those players would be able to play a 3-4-3 against Montenegro. If you plan to play that way all week, and train that way, then the players could carry it off fine.

Just like Liverpool carried it off fine after a weeks training in the Carling Cup with a full team vs a Man United team mixed with first team starters & reserves. A weeks prep in training is actually different to carrying it out in a must win match.

Three valid rebuttals there Azzy.

by GSC Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:27

Carrick in the last Montenegro game was probably the worst I've ever seen him play.

Though there was also 1 when he completed like 20% of his passes iirc

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:28

Oooooh kill em. Nick Fury finishing mans off fresh from a broken hand.

Are we going to play Sheep?

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:30

sodhat wrote:
VivaPaulScholes wrote:Azzy but you said because of your principals and beliefs you would never watch England again but you have done so, all those claims you've made about hating so and so and wouldn't play Fifa for a million pounds etc is a big fat lie.

Gerrard has been rubbish for the last 12 years for England.
Surely you aren't accusing Azzy, of all people, of hyperbole or overreacting?

Scandalous.

Overreacting yeah that's me but I never exaggerate.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:31

First time in months I actually enjoyed doing tactics, for a while it's felt like a chore.

What's everyone got planned for weekend?

by GSC Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:33

It did feel like a chore for me.

Though not as much as voting.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:37

Don't talk about voting, it takes me around 40 minutes to do.

by GSC Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:41

Yeah the 1 good/bad thing was a nice idea but it made voting really boring

by GSC Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:44

This league needs a TP transfer window. Also no TP limit during the offseason

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:45

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:Three valid rebuttals there Azzy.

Three valid rebuttals if you agree with your viewpoint, yes.

Carrick has not performed well for England. Ever. He is not up to scratch. Therefore Gerrard is, and will always be, better at the holding CM position than Carrick. You might not like it, you might dream of Carrick playing the role, but he's had more than 20 chances at doing so and failed miserably each and every time. He is a proven failure at the very top level, and one day you will have to face that sad fact.

On Sturridge, I assume this means that players cannot ever play their old positions? So now that Sturridge has played 6 games as a striker, he's now a striker for the rest of his career? Give over. He's playing up front because Suarez isn't fit enough to lead the line right now. They'll swap back soon. Sturridge is capable of playing ST, LW, AM or RW - the role I gave him was a cross between RW and AM. If he can't perform that role well, with Wilshere and Gerrard behind him and Rooney ahead of him, then we need to add him to the "Michael Carrick can't hack it at international level" board and move on.

On Liverpool, they bossed that game, despite not playing the system before. It would be England's only chance of not having an inept RB playing 90mins. I remember Jovetic killed Glen Johnson over there in the 1-1. The game where Carrick was dreadful, and where Cleverley was also awful.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:48

GSC wrote:Yeah the 1 good/bad thing was a nice idea but it made voting really boring

I quite like it actually. Still.

Azzy's moan of the day: we moved tactics to Thursdays so we could do voting on Fridays. If Olly can't be bothered to get tactics up in good time, I vote we move back to Fridays.

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:49

Due to Olly being at school I then suggest that we give tactics to someone else to post up?

by Zinedine_Ze_Zebra Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:49

GSC wrote:This league needs a TP transfer window. Also no TP limit during the offseason

I did suggest that at the start so im with you on that GSC.

Voting is a chore! Takes ages to read everything & make a decision.
Im out my cast now so typing is much much better.

For once.....
"I don't think we've had great players," said Barton. "People go on about the golden generation. I don't think we've had it because they haven't won anything, so they're not a golden generation." - Joey Barton
I agree with Barton.

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:51

I'm not a big fan of the good/bad thing it sometimes feels like I'm forced to find a fault in a side and I'm repeating myself each week on improvements.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:53

sodhat wrote:Due to Olly being at school I then suggest that we give tactics to someone else to post up?

It's one of two options then:

1. Someone else posts tactics
2. We move back to Fridays

I don't care either way, but I can't take tactics.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:54

Zinedine_Ze_Zebra wrote:
GSC wrote:This league needs a TP transfer window. Also no TP limit during the offseason
I did suggest that at the start so im with you on that GSC.

Voting is a chore! Takes ages to read everything & make a decision.
Im out my cast now so typing is much much better.

For once.....
"I don't think we've had great players," said Barton. "People go on about the golden generation. I don't think we've had it because they haven't won anything, so they're not a golden generation." - Joey Barton
I agree with Barton.

I like how he said "England are sheet".

Cue laughter.

Err, Joey, if England are so sheet, why can't you get anywhere near the squad. What does it say about your ability if you can't even get a sniff of a callup to such a sheet squad Laugh

by FIFA Diva Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:54

Azzy are you saying Liverpool bossed the Carling cup match between united and Liverpool last month?

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:59

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
sodhat wrote:Due to Olly being at school I then suggest that we give tactics to someone else to post up?
It's one of two options then:

1. Someone else posts tactics
2. We move back to Fridays

I don't care either way, but I can't take tactics.

If we move it back to Friday, then the tactics don't go up until Sunday because he's busy. The move was motivated primarily to ensure something is up on Friday as the latest.

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:59

Yes I am Viva, as is the media who watched the game along with me:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24140621

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/league-cup/10335081/Manchester-United-1-Liverpool-0-match-report.html

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/25/manchester-united-liverpool-capital-one-cup

by Fernando Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:01

"the visitors were unlucky not to get on the scoresheet at Old Trafford, where they were on top for long periods"

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:01

sodhat wrote:
Azzy Mahmood wrote:
sodhat wrote:Due to Olly being at school I then suggest that we give tactics to someone else to post up?
It's one of two options then:

1. Someone else posts tactics
2. We move back to Fridays

I don't care either way, but I can't take tactics.
If we move it back to Friday, then the tactics don't go up until Sunday because he's busy. The move was motivated primarily to ensure something is up on Friday as the latest.

But if they're not going up on Friday, and Saturdays are a no-no, then it's still Sunday, only we've lost a day.

What it also means is that before, we all got Sunday and Monday to vote, now we have Saturday and Sunday (if we're lucky) - I don't really get online at weekends, so to not lose a goal, I have to lose half an hour of my weekend voting, rather than doing it on Monday.

If we had tactics on the Friday, I could vote on the Friday.

And this isn't having a go at Olly, at all, it's just this hasn't exactly worked out well has it?

by Guest Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:02

" Liverpool posed a real threat for sustained periods, midway through the first half, and then during a vibrant second half."

by Bull Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:04

Spoiler:

by sodhat Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:04

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
sodhat wrote:
Azzy Mahmood wrote:
sodhat wrote:Due to Olly being at school I then suggest that we give tactics to someone else to post up?
It's one of two options then:

1. Someone else posts tactics
2. We move back to Fridays

I don't care either way, but I can't take tactics.
If we move it back to Friday, then the tactics don't go up until Sunday because he's busy. The move was motivated primarily to ensure something is up on Friday as the latest.
But if they're not going up on Friday, and Saturdays are a no-no, then it's still Sunday, only we've lost a day.

What it also means is that before, we all got Sunday and Monday to vote, now we have Saturday and Sunday (if we're lucky) - I don't really get online at weekends, so to not lose a goal, I have to lose half an hour of my weekend voting, rather than doing it on Monday.

If we had tactics on the Friday, I could vote on the Friday.

And this isn't having a go at Olly, at all, it's just this hasn't exactly worked out well has it?

Voting is still open on Monday until 23:59pm. Results still go up Tuesday. All it does is mean that the tactics are up earlier because he's more likely to find the time to post them Friday than on a weekend day. It's only been a week, but he managed it last week so until it reverts to them going up late on a Sunday then there is no point going back to Fridays.

by Trebs Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:05

I saw most of that game. When you say Liverpool were on top, they had possession but they never looked like scoring a goal.

As for England tonight, going to three at the back would be silly, as would giving Barkley a start.

Hart
Jones Cahill Jagielka Baines
Gerrard Carrick Wilshere
Milner Rooney Welbeck

*Unless Johnson is fit who would play

Should be the XI, giving us Sturridge to come off the bench if necessary. Lampard, however, will probably start over Carrick unfortunately.

by Fernando Fri 11 Oct 2013, 15:06

Why not extend the voting deadline instead?

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