Khan side stepping Alexander for Mayweather....

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stupid.... because he will be out of the ring for a total of 13 months by the time he meets Floyd in May 2014

wise... because its too dangerous a fight to take when he could miss out on a potential £10 million payday

hypercritical... because he has always claimed to be the best in the division but this represents a clear duck

In my view Khan needs to face and beat Alexander in December. He still has not proven himself imo. Winning a belt and looseing it just as quickly does not make him a genuine p4p contender. According to the Mirror the Alexander fight is truely off and Khan will now wait for Money May.

Garcia certainly deserves it more than Khan, but is anyone itching to see the fight?

Boxtthis wrote:Garcia certainly deserves it more than Khan, but is anyone itching to see the fight?

Me. Mainly because I really don't like Garcia and think he's even more made for Mayweather than Khan and would like to see his ears boxed off.

Boxtthis wrote:Garcia certainly deserves it more than Khan, but is anyone itching to see the fight?

Agreed Mate..........Garcia can't win unless he throws a miracle shot..............Khan has a world class jab and height and reach advantages.....

He can win...........But he's too stupid to stick to a gameplan..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Boxtthis wrote:Garcia certainly deserves it more than Khan, but is anyone itching to see the fight?

Me.  Mainly because I really don't like Garcia and think he's even more made for Mayweather than Khan and would like to see his ears boxed off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VQye6P8k0

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan offers a world class jab and speed........

Floyd hasn't faced that problem for a while..

shame Khan is too thick to realise his potential.

I think that's generous.

He definitely should have a world class jab but he doesn't use it half as effectively as he should.

I think if Khan concentrated really hard on being boring he could make it quite an interesting fight. Just stay at range and firing a (stiffer than normal) jab at Floyd 5 times a second. If he tries to engage and flurry like Manny he'll get stopped early.

Khan is world class.....He's like a poor Man's Tommy Hearns at his best.......He was sublime early against petersen and Maidana.......

Problem is he lacks tommy's power but shares his hot headed habits..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Boxtthis wrote:Garcia certainly deserves it more than Khan, but is anyone itching to see the fight?

Agreed Mate..........Garcia can't win unless he throws a miracle shot..............Khan has a world class jab and height and reach advantages.....

He can win...........But he's too stupid to stick to a gameplan..

Khan is only 1/2 an inch taller and Floyd actually has a 1 inch reach advantage.

Tend to agree top hat. Not contesting Khan has the potential to make things interesting but having either the discipline or brains to utilise them seems woefully beyond him. If the likes of Garcia Petersen and to some extent Diaz can render these assetts irrelevant Floyd is sure as hell going to do likewise.

Tout, Lara, Golovkin, Martinez and Pacquiao would be worthwhile fights. Realistically, Khan isnt even the second best light welterweight. His only welterweight fight was dodgy as hell.

KingMonkey wrote:You are soon forgotten if you have no legacy.  If Khan fought and beat Alexander then perhaps one more then he'd have earned his shot.

Fighters with a legacy are never forgotten.

Louis, Holyfield, Robinson, Benitez all remembered but all broke.

Whoever advised Khan to side step Alexander advised him well,Khan has had his best days, he loses to Alexander for me, which would make the Mayweather fight a farce.
Yet to see whether Khan can take a full blown welters punch,lets be fair his chin wasn't that clever at light welter, Hatton moved up and didn't look too clever.

GGG and Martinez are too high.............Manny won't accept 40%...........

Trout has just been slapped by a guy who lost a shutout to floyd......

Khan is an okay match.

I must be one of the few out there (incl. Team Khan) who think Amir should be beating Alexander....

Rowley wrote:Tend to agree top hat. Not contesting Khan has the potential to make things interesting but having either the discipline or brains to utilise them seems woefully beyond him. If the likes of Garcia Petersen and to some extent Diaz can render these assetts irrelevant Floyd is sure as hell going to do likewise.

Not trying to reinvent history.......But I could have swore Khan was owning Garcia's butt until he got caught by a hayemaker...

Can happen to anybody........

I don't understand what you mean by slapped, Trout lost a very close fight to Alvarez which was decided ultimately by one knockdown aside from which it was very even.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Trout has just been slapped by a guy who lost a shutout to floyd......

Styles make fights........

Nah Trout lost a controversial decision to Alvarez. He has a different skillset that would make for a more interesting challenge. Khan is a crap fight. If Golovkin and Martinez could come to some weight agreement and make light middleweight there shouldnt be an reason for Mayweather to say no. If he is willing to step in the ring with Alvarez weighing 165lbs then he should do the same for other fighters who weigh that. Otherwise it looks like he is picking and choosing.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't understand what you mean by slapped, Trout lost a very close fight to Alvarez which was decided ultimately by one knockdown aside from which it was very even.

Fact is his victor was outclassed..........

No one has outclassed Khan........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't understand what you mean by slapped, Trout lost a very close fight to Alvarez which was decided ultimately by one knockdown aside from which it was very even.

No one has outclassed Khan........

No, just battered him.

Such a difference........

Ignoring you is preferable to the foe button..........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't understand what you mean by slapped, Trout lost a very close fight to Alvarez which was decided ultimately by one knockdown aside from which it was very even.

Fact is his victor was outclassed..........

No one has outclassed Khan........

Garcia didn't need to outclass Khan, he knew that all he had to do was land one big punch to win it and he did, Khan winning the first two rounds isn't an indicator to class.

Trout is a very different fighter to Alvarez and Khan, while the fight wouldn't sell he'd possibly provide a sterner test.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Ignoring you is preferable to the foe button..........

Me?

Whatever makes you feel better if you can't compete. Fill your boots...

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't understand what you mean by slapped, Trout lost a very close fight to Alvarez which was decided ultimately by one knockdown aside from which it was very even.

Fact is his victor was outclassed..........

No one has outclassed Khan........

Garcia didn't need to outclass Khan, he knew that all he had to do was land one big punch to win it and he did, Khan winning the first two rounds isn't an indicator to class.

Trout is a very different fighter to Alvarez and Khan, while the fight wouldn't sell he'd possibly provide a sterner test.

Khan was in control Hammer and got caught...........Might as well say the same about Barkley-Hearns........

Just an excuse to try and make Khan look better than he is, Garcia had a very a clear gameplan and executed it perfectly, he was getting closer and closer with the left hook.

No it isn't..........Khan was in control against Garcia........The Barkley-Hearns statement stands up..Might as well say that about that fight..

Two more rounds and khan very well may have stopped garcia.......

too simplistic my old friend..

To simplistic to say anyone can be in control after two rounds if they are not battering someone, the Barkley punch came out of the blue the Garcia one did not.

We can disagree........Fair enough......

khan for me offers problems no one around can.........Fairplay If you don't agree..

But he was in control against Garcia and he's a tough guy a la Hearns to OUTBOX..

He probably does have attributes that nobody else does but anyone who can stop Mosley in his tracks isn't going to have any problem stopping Khan.

That is precisely why nobody tries to box him but instead brawls him and swarms him because with pressure you can get at him.

No world class jab invloves opening your jaw wide and dropping your right hand miles from your chin. Khan does NOT have a world class jab. He is technically and physically flawed.

KingMonkey wrote:No world class jab invloves opening your jaw wide and dropping your right hand miles from your chin.  Khan does NOT have a world class jab.  He is technically and physically flawed.

In that case, with a lack of basic fundamentals, he's clearly in the same league as Ali and I expect to see a thread outlining this in the near future.

Smart move from Khan as Alexander would stop him fairly easily

Khan has wanted this from day one, mayweather will give him a record purse and should he lose no one really cares, he's in it for the money and that's the bottom line, I'd fight Floyd for $4mil so why shouldn't he?

It's hard to blame Khan but you can blame Floyd as Floyd knows it's a mismatch but it's a fight that will help him keep the money rolling in

Floyd's tapping in the the Muslim/Saudi market since Khan mooted a fight there. Floyd knows that there's money to be made and I'm sure he'll do everything to ensure that some Sheikh parts with a lot of his billions in the build-up to this

Look for Floyd to change his to Kash Fellah

It will be sold on the principle that Khan's style will offer Floyd some difficulty. Maybe.

He certainly hasn't earned his shot - but I can't blame him for taking it over Alexander (who I think he'd beat)/

catchweight wrote:Nah Trout lost a controversial decision to Alvarez. He has a different skillset that would make for a more interesting challenge. Khan is a crap fight. If Golovkin and Martinez could come to some weight agreement and make light middleweight there shouldnt be an reason for Mayweather to say no. If he is willing to step in the ring with Alvarez weighing 165lbs then he should do the same for other fighters who weigh that. Otherwise it looks like he is picking and choosing.  

didn't realise the trout alvarez decision was controversial? didn't see anybody have trout winning it. he fought alvarez because he was a massive high earning prizefighter, golovkin is not. majority of boxing fans have never heard of golovkin. the guy has just beat macklin and got Stephenson next, people need to get off the bandwagon until hes fought somebody word class. Look how great Matthysse turned out to be. if flloyd took on Martinez it would be cherry picking of an old guy who is injured and looked rubbish last time out

Boxtthis wrote:

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Exactly my point KingMonkey.

This is a sport. I want to see Mayweather face a WORTHY opponent. I want to see Barcelona face teams like Real Madrid or Munich in the European final but should a team like Yoevil fc get to the final its because they deserve it.

TRUSS seems concerned more with Khans retirement plans, as if Khan would pee on him if he was on fire. Khan is already doing whats best for Khan always has but this is boxing a sport bigger then Khan and I would like to see an atg like Mayweather face proper deserving opposition while he is with us.

Khans made enough money.

Like who?

Exactly the problem. Everyone is quick to moan about the opponent choice (and it is a poor choice), but it's not as if Mayweather is surrounded by alternatives.

Martinez or GGG at 154 are the fights fans want to see, but I don't blame Floyd for not taking them. Bradley if he beats Marquez might be an opponent (is he still with TR?). Apart from that who is there?

GGG and Martinez really aren't even close to the same weight as Mayweather. Do they really deserve, especially Golovkin, the P4P#1 to step up in weight to fight them?

Garcia has done nothing to deserve a shot.

Bradley is the only half deserving fighter out there, but lets face it he got his but kicked by Pacquiao not so long back.

Khan hasn't done enough to warrant his shot, but he has shown glimpses of excellence.

Lance wrote:

catchweight wrote:Nah Trout lost a controversial decision to Alvarez. He has a different skillset that would make for a more interesting challenge. Khan is a crap fight. If Golovkin and Martinez could come to some weight agreement and make light middleweight there shouldnt be an reason for Mayweather to say no. If he is willing to step in the ring with Alvarez weighing 165lbs then he should do the same for other fighters who weigh that. Otherwise it looks like he is picking and choosing.  

didn't realise the trout alvarez decision was controversial? didn't see anybody have trout winning it. he fought alvarez because he was a massive high earning prizefighter, golovkin is not. majority of boxing fans have never heard of golovkin. the guy has just beat macklin and got Stephenson next, people need to get off the bandwagon until hes fought somebody word class. Look how great Matthysse turned out to be. if flloyd took on Martinez it would be cherry picking of an old guy who is injured and looked rubbish last time out

Plenty of people thought Trout won from what I read. I thought Trout edged it. It wouldnt have mattered though, Trout would have had to KOed Alvarez to stop the hype express. People seem to be argue about Mayweather with more emphasis on where such an such opponent puts him on some such and such list compared to some boxers that fought 50 years ago. I dont really care about that or why x shouldnt fight y because of z. I prefer to watch the best fighters tested in the most challenging match ups. Khan is pretty crap choice at the moment. I dont think Golovkin is as small a name as is made out but anyway who cares? I want to see the fight. It would be fantastic. Im not interested in arguing why a pointless fight like Khan is justified instead. Anyone who thinks Khan is a tougher challenge or deserves the fight more right now well good luck to them, but they are having a laugh.

I can't say i've seen many people who picked Trout with the vast majority agreeing Alvarez deserved the win so either way it was anything but controversial. If Golovkin wants the fight he needs to do something to make it viable and start fighting at 154lbs because expecting Mayweather to step up to middleweight is nonsensical.

Maybe Golovkin should get his wanger out and send some pictures over the internet or get bounced around by a few fighters.

http://www.badlefthook.com/canelo-alvarez-vs-austin-trout-stream-full-coverage-showtime/2013/4/21/4248254/scorecard-treatment-saul-alvarez-vs-austin-trout

Thats a list of opinions on the Trout v Alvarez fight. There were more than just a couple who thought Trout had done enough. Close fight though, so it could be argued either way.

Or he should fight at a fight near where Mayweather competes at.

Personal opinion is that Alvarez deserved to win and that Trouts work wasn't clean enough for me to consider he could have won.

Golovkin would take a fight with Mayweather at light middleweight in a flash Im sure. I dont expect Mayweather to agree to fight at middleweight but I have no doubts if he offered it to Martinez or Golovkin at light middleweight they would do it in a heartbeat.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:To simplistic to say anyone can be in control after two rounds if they are not battering someone,  the Barkley punch came out of the blue the Garcia one did not.

I've never heard of a fighter take a complete battering (this includes cuts) for 2.75 rounds as a game plan?! You really need to watch the fight again.

It was a great left hook, yes. But it was most definitely a lucky shot- if he hadn't of landed it 4 rounds in, the fight would of been stopped.

catchweight wrote:Golovkin would take a fight with Mayweather at light middleweight in a flash Im sure. I dont expect Mayweather to agree to fight at middleweight but I have no doubts if he offered it to Martinez or Golovkin at light middleweight they would do it in a heartbeat.

They have to go after him not the other way round.

As for ATG i've watched the fight plenty of times and you can't call a shot he was looking for lucky, Khan was doing his usual thing of darting in with flashy combos but he lost fair and square. Time you gave Garcia some credit instead of using the cop out of calling it lucky.

Martinez and Golovkin are the widely considered the two best middlweights in the world. They have miles more credentials than Khan. The short of it they are much more dangerous opponents and Mayweather is, probably reasonably, wary of facing them as a result. Im not Mayweather though, Im just a boxing who wants to see the best fighters in the world fight rather than making excuses and finding reasons for them not to happen.

Picking fighters who fight in or near his division would be a good start instead of expecting him to move up yet again. You can say they can make light middleweight but there is no actual evidence of that and considering Mayweather weighs in at 150lbs think it's unreasonable to expect him to face middleweights.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Just an excuse to try and make Khan look better than he is, Garcia had a very a clear gameplan and executed it perfectly, he was getting closer and closer with the left hook.

Agreed. He said all during the build up that timing beats speed. Then in the fight he started to time him with the hook. He's since went on to beat other top contenders in the division. Making it out to be some sort of fluke is a disservice to Garcia.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

catchweight wrote:Golovkin would take a fight with Mayweather at light middleweight in a flash Im sure. I dont expect Mayweather to agree to fight at middleweight but I have no doubts if he offered it to Martinez or Golovkin at light middleweight they would do it in a heartbeat.

They have to go after him not the other way round.

As for ATG i've watched the fight plenty of times and you can't call a shot he was looking for lucky, Khan was doing his usual thing of darting in with flashy combos but he lost fair and square. Time you gave Garcia some credit instead of using the cop out of calling it lucky.

If I saw him setting up the left hook- I'd agree, he would be looking for it. Considering Garcia does not have a massively high KO ratio- I very much doubt that looking for a one punch KO was in his gameplan.

If anything, Khan's greatest weakness is fighting on the inside which he is poor at (as Maidana and Peterson found in the later rounds). That would of been the correct strategy to deploy, and I could not see Garcia attempting that in the fight as Khan was hurting him and making him back pedal with his combinations.

It was a get out of jail shot, and most "neutral" boxing fans would most likely agree.

Garcia is decent, but I don't think he's in the same class as Alexander, Khan, Bradley & the obvious trio above.

I think most neutral fans would give Garcia some credit instead of spouting 'lucky', 'getting out of jail' rubbish. The moment Garcia knocked him out and Diaz constantly rocked him he ceased to be in the class of Bradley or Alexander or even Garcia, stop making excuses for him and see what actually happened. Garcias win over Matthyse is arguably better than one of Khans win and add in his actual win over Khan he clearly now rates higher.

No luck but a well thought out and executed gameplan.

Garcia's lucky punch,that would be the hook that his father has been training him to throw and time correctly all his career.
Love these boxing fans who only see what they want to see.

Pity the fight hadn't been over 3 rounds instead of 12 Khan would have won on points.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I think most neutral fans would give Garcia some credit instead of spouting 'lucky', 'getting out of jail' rubbish. The moment Garcia knocked him out and Diaz constantly rocked him he ceased to be in the class of Bradley or Alexander or even Garcia, stop making excuses for him and see what actually happened. Garcias win over Matthyse is arguably better than one of Khans win and add in his actual win over Khan he clearly now rates higher.

No luck but a well thought out and executed gameplan.

Look at the punch stats

Round 1

Khan 26/57
Garcia 6/48

Round 2

Khan 30/66
Garcia 12/49

Round 3 (when Knockdown occurred)

Khan 26/55
Garcia 24/57

NB. Garcia threw less than 15 jabs each round- which pretty much confirms he was never in the business of looking to set up any form of hook by slowing Khan down.

I give Garcia credit for closing the fight out in the 4th round, and I also give Khan credit for beating the count, as it was a shot that took his senses away from him.

Anyone looking at the above stats should be able to see Garcia could of been on the end of a serious beating if he didn't get lucky in the 3rd round.

Then again I could watch it instead of getting blinded by punchstats and stop referring to the punch as lucky it was not.