Eng v Aus match thread + build up

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:09 am

First topic message reminder :

Chance to chat about the game.
I think it will be a real cracker with England to take it by around 8 points or more.
I know every game is important but the management must have this penciled in as a must win because they can win it if they play it right.

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:22 pm

kingelderfield wrote:you could say the next 40 are crucial for lancasters tenier - then again the die has long been cast

not at all, this isn't football you know.

as wilko just said, there are always ups and downs.

by TJ Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:23 pm

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
butterfingers wrote:
BamBam wrote:Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time
No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early. Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse. compare what he has done to what Cooper has done
lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!

Not in this game. his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him. I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches. Is this a better Aus than played the lions? whats the difference? Cooper. Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:25 pm

TJ wrote:
nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
butterfingers wrote:
BamBam wrote:Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time
No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early. Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse. compare what he has done to what Cooper has done
lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!
Not in this game. his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him. I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches. Is this a better Aus than played the lions? whats the difference? Cooper. Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job

agree with parts, but not the last bit. Cooper blows very hot and cold.

by GloriousEmpire Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:25 pm

England defending too narrow and not doing enough with the ball. Or taking their kicks.

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:26 pm

GE is right

by TJ Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:27 pm

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:
butterfingers wrote:
BamBam wrote:Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time
No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early. Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse. compare what he has done to what Cooper has done
lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!
Not in this game. his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him. I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches. Is this a better Aus than played the lions? whats the difference? Cooper. Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job
agree with parts, but not the last bit. Cooper blows very hot and cold.

He looked great in the midweek game. anyway the comparison between Farrell and Cooper says a great deal.

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:27 pm

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.

They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Hood83 wrote:
DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.
They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:30 pm

Don't get me wrong England can still win this bu they ain't going to win it with this game plan.

by GloriousEmpire Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:30 pm

England seem to have no cohesion on attack. It's just big guys trundling into contact. The passing is terrible and there is no structure. Coaches nightmare.

Australia getting hammered at the scrum I think a little unfairly.

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:31 pm

nathan wrote:
Hood83 wrote:
DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.
They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol

Haha, I know, sorry. Although I'm already getting that warm fuzzy glow at the thought of being able to say I told you so to everyone.

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:31 pm

aus kick and chase has been far far better than our own

by **Biltong** Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:31 pm

England isn't gaining momentum as their forwards are not running onto the ball, hence the amount of kicking

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Hood83 wrote:
nathan wrote:
Hood83 wrote:
DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.
They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol
Haha, I know, sorry. Although I'm already getting that warm fuzzy glow at the thought of being able to say I told you so to everyone.

were there that many saying there were going to batter them?

by The Saint Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Cooper showed his usual good touches for the Reds versus the Lions but as usual made a lot of mistakes. Same against NZ couple weeks ago. He is very composed and better today but to say Aus lost the Lions series because they were without Cooper is ridiculous and disrespectful to the players on both teams.

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:32 pm

Tomkins! Hahaha, dear oh dear

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:34 pm

That was stupid by Brown

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:34 pm

awful by england

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:35 pm

Can our players catch?

by **Biltong** Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:35 pm

Very sloppy from england

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:36 pm

we're missing the give it to Manu and send him on his way move.

by doctor_grey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:36 pm

there is no leadership from Robshow.
Yarde is not doing well. Shame.

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:36 pm

So far from debutants, only Billy V has looked any good

by GloriousEmpire Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:37 pm

No arms in the tackle from yarde, and late...but on yellows?

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:37 pm

something fishy going on with that post!

by **Biltong** Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:37 pm

If England don't lift their game for the AB's they are going to get tonked

by quinsforever Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:37 pm

Hood83 wrote:This is useless. What happens when you have zero running threat in the backs. Re the try - Taylorman called it perfectly, wide and flat pass from Coops setting it off.

that he did. flat pass is the big differentiator so far no doubt

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:38 pm

Tomkins...not good enough, sorry.

by Geordie Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:38 pm

Wake up boys

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:38 pm

I LOVE MIKE BROWN!

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:39 pm

Dickson isnt playing well, his passing has been head height each time

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:39 pm

Hood83 wrote:Tomkins...not good enough, sorry.

too early to tell

by Geordie Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:40 pm

Mike Brown is class

And yarde could make that position his own. .

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:40 pm

Lol how many knockons by England will Clancy cry play on for.

by nathan Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:40 pm

welsh and kiwi spoiling this thread...

by ChequeredJersey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:41 pm

Only the ones that go forward?!

by GunsGerms Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:41 pm

Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:41 pm

We must have knocked it on about 4 times then after Brown failed to keep it in!

by GloriousEmpire Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:41 pm

How many knock ons did clancy miss? And Browns foot was in touch.

I'm sorry but the referees are having a bad day and it's all going England's way in these bad decisions.

by TJ Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

Lovely play from brown shame the ref missed he was in touch.

by doctor_grey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

Yarde has a lot to learn. Should have cut that run back in. Even when he makes a good play, still making mistakes.

by quinsforever Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I LOVE MIKE BROWN!

me too. MoM so far.

i predict england win from here. huge call but i think they are p1ssed off and have a sneaky feeling they are going to take it.

by GloriousEmpire Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

Just Clancy and his clowns keeping England in this one.

by Hood83 Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.

Because we value backs like Tomkins who have no pace or creativity. Our 9,10, 12 and 13 have almost no pace.

by Full Credit Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:42 pm

That was almost comical... foot in touch, forward pass, knock on... surely he could have found a penalty for England as well to top it off.

by quinsforever Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:43 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Yarde has a lot to learn. Should have cut that run back in. Even when he makes a good play, still making mistakes.

harsh. 3 covering tacklers, not sure cutting back would have worked.

by **Biltong** Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:43 pm

England very lucky there, should have been a line out n their line to Aus.

by quinsforever Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:44 pm

Hood83 wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.
Because we value backs like Tomkins who have no pace or creativity. Our 9,10, 12 and 13 have almost no pace.

so get the ball to the wingers...

by doctor_grey Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:44 pm

we would have kept possession. Sorry. that was bad

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:44 pm

Top carriers for England two Tongans who learned their rugby in Wales!!!!

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