Eng v Aus match thread + build up

[DeludedOptimistorjustDave]

First topic message reminder :

Chance to chat about the game.
I think it will be a real cracker with England to take it by around 8 points or more.
I know every game is important but the management must have this penciled in as a must win because they can win it if they play it right.

[nathan]

you could say the next 40 are crucial for lancasters tenier - then again the die has long been cast

not at all, this isn't football you know.

as wilko just said, there are always ups and downs.

[TJ]

Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time

  No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early.   Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse.  compare what he has done to what Cooper has done

lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!

Not in this game. his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him. I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches. Is this a better Aus than played the lions? whats the difference? Cooper. Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job

[nathan]

Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time

  No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early.   Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse.  compare what he has done to what Cooper has done

lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!

Not in this game.  his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him.  I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches.  Is this a better Aus than played the lions?  whats the difference?  Cooper.  Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job

agree with parts, but not the last bit. Cooper blows very hot and cold.

[GloriousEmpire]

England defending too narrow and not doing enough with the ball. Or taking their kicks.

[ChequeredJersey]

GE is right

[TJ]

Oh sorry mate, I meant GE and was reading your post at the same time

  No problemo.

We look disjointed, our attacking threat isn't fluid,, the longer this game goes on for the better we should get, especially with such experience and quality on the bench.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Youngs and Flood come on early.   Farrell just looks slow between the ears and too conservative / risk averse.  compare what he has done to what Cooper has done

lol, I'm sorry but Cooper is at the other end of the scale. Too risky at times!

Not in this game.  his passing has been great and includes a lovely behind the back reverse pass when Ashton thought he was going to nail him.  I far prefer players who take risks - they win you matches.  Is this a better Aus than played the lions?  whats the difference?  Cooper.  Not playing coper cost Aus that lions series and the coach his job

agree with parts, but not the last bit. Cooper blows very hot and cold.

He looked great in the midweek game. anyway the comparison between Farrell and Cooper says a great deal.

[Hood83]

Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.

They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

[nathan]

Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.

They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol

[DeludedOptimistorjustDave]

Don't get me wrong England can still win this bu they ain't going to win it with this game plan.

[GloriousEmpire]

England seem to have no cohesion on attack. It's just big guys trundling into contact. The passing is terrible and there is no structure. Coaches nightmare.

Australia getting hammered at the scrum I think a little unfairly.

[Hood83]

Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.

They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol

Haha, I know, sorry. Although I'm already getting that warm fuzzy glow at the thought of being able to say I told you so to everyone.

[nathan]

aus kick and chase has been far far better than our own

[Biltong]

England isn't gaining momentum as their forwards are not running onto the ball, hence the amount of kicking

[nathan]

Are England trying to bore the Aussies into submission?
Got to do a lot better than that,see more intensity from a Sunday league team.

They've bored me into submission.

One of our many problems is Rowntree's single coaching 'trick' - when the SH is ambling too slowly to the ruck, get a forward to pass out of the ruck to another forward who'll invite contact and then pop is to another forward. Great, except it's rubbish. Or at least rubbish if it is the only trick you have and the opposition defence is set to hit you about 20 yards behind the gain-line.

We need the Vunipolas to keep smashing it up and get players running on to pass at pace. What do our coaches and players do all week? Should say thought the Oz defence has been good so also credit to them. Coops pass also showed that our idea of a FH and centres with 'good distribution' is very much relative.

Hood you really are Mr Positive arnt you lol

Haha, I know, sorry. Although I'm already getting that warm fuzzy glow at the thought of being able to say I told you so to everyone.

were there that many saying there were going to batter them?

[The Saint]

Cooper showed his usual good touches for the Reds versus the Lions but as usual made a lot of mistakes. Same against NZ couple weeks ago. He is very composed and better today but to say Aus lost the Lions series because they were without Cooper is ridiculous and disrespectful to the players on both teams.

[Hood83]

Tomkins! Hahaha, dear oh dear

[ChequeredJersey]

That was stupid by Brown

[nathan]

awful by england

[ChequeredJersey]

Can our players catch?

[Biltong]

Very sloppy from england

[nathan]

we're missing the give it to Manu and send him on his way move.

[doctor_grey]

there is no leadership from Robshow.
Yarde is not doing well. Shame.

[ChequeredJersey]

So far from debutants, only Billy V has looked any good

[GloriousEmpire]

No arms in the tackle from yarde, and late...but on yellows?

[nathan]

something fishy going on with that post!

[Biltong]

If England don't lift their game for the AB's they are going to get tonked

[quinsforever]

This is useless. What happens when you have zero running threat in the backs. Re the try - Taylorman called it perfectly, wide and flat pass from Coops setting it off.

that he did. flat pass is the big differentiator so far no doubt

[Hood83]

Tomkins...not good enough, sorry.

[Geordie]

Wake up boys

[ChequeredJersey]

I LOVE MIKE BROWN!

[nathan]

Dickson isnt playing well, his passing has been head height each time

[nathan]

Tomkins...not good enough, sorry.

too early to tell

[Geordie]

Mike Brown is class

And yarde could make that position his own. .

[DeludedOptimistorjustDave]

Lol how many knockons by England will Clancy cry play on for.

[nathan]

welsh and kiwi spoiling this thread...

[ChequeredJersey]

Only the ones that go forward?!

[GunsGerms]

Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.

[Hood83]

We must have knocked it on about 4 times then after Brown failed to keep it in!

[GloriousEmpire]

How many knock ons did clancy miss? And Browns foot was in touch.

I'm sorry but the referees are having a bad day and it's all going England's way in these bad decisions.

[TJ]

Lovely play from brown shame the ref missed he was in touch.

[doctor_grey]

Yarde has a lot to learn. Should have cut that run back in. Even when he makes a good play, still making mistakes.

[quinsforever]

I LOVE MIKE BROWN!

me too. MoM so far.

i predict england win from here. huge call but i think they are p1ssed off and have a sneaky feeling they are going to take it.

[GloriousEmpire]

Just Clancy and his clowns keeping England in this one.

[Hood83]

Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.

Because we value backs like Tomkins who have no pace or creativity. Our 9,10, 12 and 13 have almost no pace.

[Full Credit]

That was almost comical... foot in touch, forward pass, knock on... surely he could have found a penalty for England as well to top it off.

[quinsforever]

Yarde has a lot to learn.  Should have cut that run back in.  Even when he makes a good play, still making mistakes.  

harsh. 3 covering tacklers, not sure cutting back would have worked.

[Biltong]

England very lucky there, should have been a line out n their line to Aus.

[quinsforever]

Why are England so bad in posession? Clueless.

Because we value backs like Tomkins  who have no pace or creativity. Our 9,10, 12 and 13 have almost no pace.

so get the ball to the wingers...

[doctor_grey]

we would have kept possession. Sorry. that was bad

[DeludedOptimistorjustDave]

Top carriers for England two Tongans who learned their rugby in Wales!!!!

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