Eng v Aus match thread + build up

[DeludedOptimistorjustDave]

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Chance to chat about the game.
I think it will be a real cracker with England to take it by around 8 points or more.
I know every game is important but the management must have this penciled in as a must win because they can win it if they play it right.

[GloriousEmpire]

Bury that head down a little deeper...don't listen to the voices whispering the words of doubt that your subconscious know to be true...oooooohhhhhhh!

I don't think it's anything other than obvious and honest to say England were rank ordinary today and assisted immeasurably by some fairly consistently questionable refereeing - none moreso than in aiding England score two "tries" in a game they undeservedly won by just 7.

[Cyril]

Heh heh heh. Ghostie is upset this evening.

[GloriousEmpire]

We, as rugby fans should all be sad that rugby was the loser today. In a sport struggling to grow and gain international credibility it's only a hinderance when such ugly skill less poorly adjudicated games mar the international perception further with yet another dire spectacle overseen by such obviously inept officials.

[Cyril]

Go and boil your head you old sourpuss

Preferably boil it back in NZ.

Some of us don't want to always be a negative, bitter little man like you.

[Sgt_Pooly]

Maybe he'll comment on the NZ game??

Probably not actually, I'd be surprised if he knew they were playing.

[TJ]

Ignore the troll - or report him

[Cumbrian]

We, as rugby fans should all be sad that rugby was the loser today. In a sport struggling to grow and gain international credibility it's only a hinderance when such ugly skill less poorly adjudicated games mar the international perception further with yet another dire spectacle overseen by such obviously inept officials.

Awww didums.

[GloriousEmpire]

I'm not saying anything other than the same things being said by some of the knowledgeable England fans here.

As opposed to you children who are throwing limp personal insults like kindergarten attendees.

[mystiroakey]

no point reporting him..

leave him to it. he will never ever leave banned or not!

[doctor_grey]

Heh heh heh. Ghostie is upset this evening.

But, to be fair, this was very, very far from a great England performance.  

First things first, any win against a top Rugby nation, such as Australia, is a nice win.  This match showed our expectations are higher than just a few years ago so we see flaws where others would simply be happy.  That is a good thing.  And to win, but not playing particularly well is  a positive.  Clearly we had players not quite ready to play at this level, others who were off, and others who need time to be evaluated.  Playing a virtually experimental team against Australia and winning is good.

[tigerleghorn]

Bury that head down a little deeper...don't listen to the voices whispering the words of doubt that your subconscious know to be true...oooooohhhhhhh!

I don't think it's anything other than obvious and honest to say England were rank ordinary today and assisted immeasurably by some fairly consistently questionable refereeing - none moreso than in aiding England score two "tries" in a game they undeservedly won by just 7.

Another fine evening in for you and your laptop GE. Enjoy whatever it is that you get from your obsessive dislike of England. I for one am off now to have a social life, I'll check back in the morning to see what else you've been posting whilst the grown ups have been having a life.

Happy Wumming

[Cyril]

TJ, the mods don't really do anything because apparently he 'doesn't break any rules'. He just makes a nuisance of himself with anti-English/NH comments and constant bile that disrupts threads and brings out the worst in everyone else.

You can't legislate against that apparently.

He's annoying but I also feel a bit sorry for him sometimes.

[mystiroakey]

Heh heh heh. Ghostie is upset this evening.

But, to be fair, this was very, very far from a great England performance.  

First things first, any win against a top Rugby nation, such as Australia, is a nice win.  This match showed our expectations are higher than just a few years ago so we see flaws where others would simply be happy.  That is a good thing.  And to win, but not playing particularly well is  a positive.  Clearly we had players not quite ready to play at this level, others who were off, and others who need time to be evaluated.  Playing a virtually experimental team against Australia and winning is good.

Not quite why you need to say "to be fair"

GE's comments have not been about evaluating the game. He is just posting the same thing over and over to get a rise and pinning everything on the ref and that England didn't deserve to win..

GE has a habit of this. He does it after every England game. He will pick on an excuse as to why England won and repeat it in different ways for the next 3 weeks minimum after each game!

[englandglory4ever]

Can anyone remember a NZ game where they didn't score from a forward pass or knock on at least once? This GE guy has got some issues. Why someone who is not Australian should get so upset about England winning is beyond me.

[TJ]

Cyril - well in that case best ignored - although I have rep-lied to a couple of decent points made by him.

I argue with you all, even annoy a few but the difference is I don't try to infuriate and try to remember to indicate when i am teasing.

trolls are best ignored

[Sgt_Pooly]

I love how he's more concerned with the state of other nations teams rather than discussing NZ.

Is he from NZ or does he just pretend to support them?

[yappysnap]

He's a good barometer for England. The more moronic GE becomes the better we're doing.

As an Eng fan I can say we were no where near our best but I also know we have the potential to get back to it. I was pleased with sine performances and troubled by others. I don't think anyone is burying their heads, especially not the Eng coaches who I don't think post on here anyway.

[Cyril]

Heh heh heh. Ghostie is upset this evening.

But, to be fair, this was very, very far from a great England performance.  

First things first, any win against a top Rugby nation, such as Australia, is a nice win.  This match showed our expectations are higher than just a few years ago so we see flaws where others would simply be happy.  That is a good thing.  And to win, but not playing particularly well is  a positive.  Clearly we had players not quite ready to play at this level, others who were off, and others who need time to be evaluated.  Playing a virtually experimental team against Australia and winning is good.

Not quite why you need to say "to be fair"

GE's comments have not been about evaluating the game. He is just posting the same thing over and over to get a rise and pinning everything on the ref and that England didn't deserve to win..

GE has a habit of this. He does it after every England game. He will pick on an excuse as to why England won and repeat it in different ways for the next 3 weeks minimum after each game!

Quite. England winning a bit "ugly" should hardly be carte blanche for GE to post his usual anti-English vitriol.

It's just getting a bit tiresome to have to wade through all the cack he's created on threads and, yes, I bit and had a go at him. I'm sure he doesn't believe most of what he posts but knows it'll get a rise.

It wasn't a great England performance but it was a win.

Doc, your last sentence about taking satisfaction from winning with a bit of a raw team is bang on. It wasn't pretty at times but there are positives, even if some of that is knowing what not to do.

[GloriousEmpire]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

[Sgt_Pooly]

That's a good point Yappy, we must of played well because he's coming out with some serious tripe tonight.

[yappysnap]

Heh heh heh. Ghostie is upset this evening.

But, to be fair, this was very, very far from a great England performance.  

First things first, any win against a top Rugby nation, such as Australia, is a nice win.  This match showed our expectations are higher than just a few years ago so we see flaws where others would simply be happy.  That is a good thing.  And to win, but not playing particularly well is  a positive.  Clearly we had players not quite ready to play at this level, others who were off, and others who need time to be evaluated.  Playing a virtually experimental team against Australia and winning is good.

Not quite why you need to say "to be fair"

GE's comments have not been about evaluating the game. He is just posting the same thing over and over to get a rise and pinning everything on the ref and that England didn't deserve to win..

GE has a habit of this. He does it after every England game. He will pick on an excuse as to why England won and repeat it in different ways for the next 3 weeks minimum after each game!

Quite. England winning a bit "ugly" should hardly be carte blanche for GE to post his usual anti-English vitriol.

It's just getting a bit tiresome to have to wade through all the cack he's created on threads and, yes, I bit and had a go at him. I'm sure he doesn't believe most of what he posts but knows it'll get a rise.

It wasn't a great England performance but it was a win.

Doc, your last sentence about taking satisfaction from winning with a bit of a raw team is bang on. It wasn't pretty at times but there are positives, even if some of that is knowing what not to do.

Exactly the team will learn from this and at the end of the day a win is a win. Argentina will reveal more.

[TJ]

Guys - DON'T FEED THE TROLL

Don't discuss him ,discuss his points, validate him in any way.

[yappysnap]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

Keep fishing mate you'll get there in the end  

[Cyril]

Cyril - well in that case best ignored - although I have rep-lied to a couple of decent points made by him.

I argue with you all, even annoy a few but the difference is I don't try to infuriate and try to remember to indicate when i am teasing.

trolls are best ignored

Yeah, fair enough. I think you may be more patient than me, especially in terms of finding his 'decent points'. It's way past Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome with him as far as I'm concerned.

Banter and joshing is fine, but I'm sick of being told (by GE) how much he hates my country, how my team is awful, cheats, gets lucky and is basically scum in his eyes. Again, I'm sure this is all just a wind-up but it's constant and unchecked by the forum.

Anyway I'll leave it there

[butterfingers]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

Are you still talking about England, or projecting your disapointment over the RWC final and how there will always be a question mark over the only time you managd to get given the cup?

It's ok, we've all forgiven NZ, it wasn't their fault the biggest Hoer performance by a ref occured on the RWC final in NZ, if only they had the bottle to have got anywhere near Frances performance they would have a RWC free and clear like we do  

[butterfingers]

Hoer? Homer  

[mystiroakey]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

GE, rankings are immaterial tbh. There is not one England fan on these broads that thinks we are much better than Aus, I think most would say we are quite similar

Aus rankings have slipped due to being beat up by the SH teams in the RC and the fact that England took so many from NZ last year.

there is nothing really in Oz's , the welsh or the English first teams.

I think the welsh seriously struggle with depth, but first teams all are capable of playing well, ugly or rubbish! None are the finished article that NZ seem to allways be(which is ironically also never being the finished article and always moving forward) or SA that are just below NZ.

We just cant be disappointed with average performances, we would all be on suicide watch!

Its all about winning and trying improve.

England never ever start a series under SL in great form.. We allways seem to get better throughout (bar the Wales game)

We deserved to win THIS game, but that doesn't make any of us less worried about what to expect. WE are nowhere yet- just potential


EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Its a bs excuse and they won, just like we won.

YOU PLAY TO THE REF IN RUGBY..

this ref remained constant throughout in regards to the rucking- so no one can complain..

[englandglory4ever]

That was a fantastic win by England today. 7 new faces in the team, first game for months, up against a battle hardened SH team looking for a European grand slam. No, this was a great win and should not be underestimated. Plenty to work on and plenty of scope for improvement. The future looks rosy red. C'mon England.

[Breadvan]

Lol. Old ghost is well up for his annual November ban. You just can't keep a bad smell away. Yes England didn't play well and had some luck all round but hey, aboot time!

[Biltong]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

[TJ]

We deserved to win THIS game, but that doesn't make any of us less worried about what to expect. WE are nowhere yet- just potential

No one deserves anything in sport and England certainly did not deserve to win the game. Aus brought all the invention and attacking to the game

[Biltong]

That was a fantastic win by England today.

Not sure it was a fantastic win, it was a win, one for the record books, that's pretty much all I will take out of it.

[Cyril]

We deserved to win THIS game, but that doesn't make any of us less worried about what to expect. WE are nowhere yet- just potential

No one deserves anything in sport and England certainly did not deserve to win the game.  Aus brought all the invention and attacking to the game

England deserved to win the game because they scored more points and finished stronger.

Aus didn't score a point in the second half.

Anyway, it's not really about 'deserving' it's just about winning. SCW taught me that

[butterfingers]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

[yappysnap]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Slander!! I never said that! My posts were far more nonsensical...

[mystiroakey]

We deserved to win THIS game, but that doesn't make any of us less worried about what to expect. WE are nowhere yet- just potential

No one deserves anything in sport and England certainly did not deserve to win the game.  Aus brought all the invention and attacking to the game

/Headsgone

We won the game therefore deserved it!

And we had much better attacking stats. You are now coming across worse than GE. He is a wum, you are not. You have just totally watched a game from a biased perspective to come to that conclusion

[Cyril]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

 

[mystiroakey]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

not sure how you managed to do that- But I wrote the above no yappy

[butterfingers]

That was a fantastic win by England today.

Not sure it was a fantastic win, it was a win, one for the record books, that's pretty much all I will take out of it.

When you put the game in context though mate, very inexperienced combos all over, a number of debutants, some very young faces, and they beat Australia. If this were the RWC final would the team have been the same? this is a team with a view on development toward 2015, and their first step was to beat a SH team, not many teams get to do that.

[Taylorman]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

Are you still talking about England, or projecting your disapointment over the RWC final and how there will always be a question mark over the only time you managd to get given the cup?

It's ok, we've all forgiven NZ, it wasn't their fault the biggest Hoer performance by a ref occured on the RWC final in NZ, if only they had the bottle to have got anywhere near Frances performance they would have a RWC free and clear like we do  

butterfingers that is a comment completely in tandem with those of GE's. You should both have a dedicated post just for the two of you...though even then you'd probably not get a word in. And on the same trashy level, England still have Barnes, and if the French were hard done by in losing the title even after losing to tonga and a much bigger NZ loss in pool play, then consider it payback for 07, for Joubert was a saint compared to a ghost white and literally scared barnes.

[Biltong]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

Be it a linesman or the referee, it is still not something you can adapt too.

The obstruction is either obstruction or itis not, there is no such thing as half obstruction.

BOD didn't play in this game, my point is relevant to this game, not other games.

[englandglory4ever]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

This is a load of tosh really isn't it. One missed touch call it's true but the 'obstruction' decision was reviewed by the ref and the tv official and both agreed there was nothing to prevent the try being awarded. Remember both these people are highly experienced trained officials. They didn't get it wrong they got it perfectly correct.

[No 7&1/2]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

I see it the same way. An error but England still had to go the length of the field. Aus had a forward pass in the first half missed but Englands defence did well and won a pen anyway for the 1st points (I think). Was 1 error worse because the team failed to keep them out of their half, fail to win clean lineout and fail to clear the ball?

[butterfingers]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

 

I think thats the first time anyone has agreed with me, normally I just get called a Welshman in disguise   Is that my 606v2 cherry popped?

[Biltong]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

not sure how you managed to do that- But I wrote the above no yappy

yeah, sorry, I am on my ipad, and it makes it more difficult to quote only passages of a comment.

[mystiroakey]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

Which 2 specific errors are you talking about? I class the foot in touch as an assistant error, but was in Englands half, in no way is that a handed try because of that.

The obstruction was looked at by ref, 4th official and a number of posters here who deemed it ok, as Moore had the room to make the tackle, it was a tough call either way (similarly to BOD's line for the Lions on JOC) but no way a game losing error.

I see it the same way. An error but England still had to go the length of the field. Aus had a forward pass in the first half missed but Englands defence did well and won a pen anyway for the 1st points (I think). Was 1 error worse because the team failed to keep them out of their half, fail to win clean lineout and fail to clear the ball?

Next we will get posters saying England didn't deserve a try in the 40th minute because the ref made a blunder in the firs minute!!!!

[Taylorman]

What the boks learned from kicking the ball out was that it needed to go into the crowds. By running close to the sideline Oz risked a poor call. Poor kick, poor call, go figure. I know who had the easier remedy for that scenario...and it wasnt the ref.

[mystiroakey]

EVERYONE knows that in rugby you should allways work the ref out and play to him.. I have been on these forms before when other fans have talked about reffing against the English(the welsh game). and I allways tell them the same thing.

Agree with you teams must play to the referee, but lets be fair, the two crucial decisions were refereeing errors, not something played by the English team.

not sure how you managed to do that- But I wrote the above no yappy

yeah, sorry, I am on my ipad, and it makes it more difficult to quote only passages of a comment.

yes I know, I rarely quote from my ipad, because it really is annoying

[butterfingers]

England are supposedly ranked ahead of Australia so a home win should be expected. As na england fan od be disappointed at how much luck was required to get over the line and how shambolic the display was in general.

Are you still talking about England, or projecting your disapointment over the RWC final and how there will always be a question mark over the only time you managd to get given the cup?

It's ok, we've all forgiven NZ, it wasn't their fault the biggest Hoer performance by a ref occured on the RWC final in NZ, if only they had the bottle to have got anywhere near Frances performance they would have a RWC free and clear like we do  

butterfingers that is a comment completely in tandem with those of GE's. You should both have a dedicated post just for the two of you...though even then you'd probably not get a word in. And on the same trashy level, England still have Barnes, and if the French were hard done by in losing the title even after losing to tonga and a much bigger NZ loss in pool play, then consider it payback for 07, for Joubert was a saint compared to a ghost white and literally scared barnes.

It was trashy, I apologise, it probably won't be the last time he gets a rise though, and it was meant tongue in cheek. Similarly you rising to my comment and being pretty trashy back, hard to bite the tongue isn't it when your nation is trolled?

[mystiroakey]

What the boks learned from kicking the ball out was that it needed to go into the crowds. By running close to the sideline Oz risked a poor call. Poor kick, poor call, go figure. I know who had the easier remedy for that scenario...and it wasnt the ref.

 

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