Mobile Phone Video Footage Of The Stoppage From A Great Angle

eezerthegeezer wrote:

Imagine the ref's not there, for me Froch could have hurt him in that moment & he wouldn't have given Groves that moment to recover

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

tunes666 wrote:

eezerthegeezer wrote:

Imagine the ref's not there, for me Froch could have hurt him in that moment & he wouldn't have given Groves that moment to recover

Agreed totaly, this is why I feel he would have been stopped because of how vulnerable he looked at that point.  No doubt it was early but I just don't think it was as outrageous as some make out..

I think because Groves out boxed Froch so much this has also added to the uproar as it was a painful way to have the fight slip away ..

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

LOL!!

yeah of course, Froch was not thinking of hitting Groves and creating space to smack him again, he just wanted to hold his head down!

Of course!

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

LOL!!

yeah of course, Froch was not thinking of hitting Groves and creating space to smack him again, he just wanted to hold his head down!

Of course!

TopHat24/7 wrote:For the love of god I hope Tunes is never in a position to officiate a boxing match.  Clearly it will be ended the first time the fighters exchange punches as apparently any shot that lands is a hospitalising career ending bomb.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

Thanks, I thought so too.

So, not only does Tunes see something that 98% of the world sees differently.  But two of the board's posters with the most divergent opinions also happen to agree with eachother.

Hmmmm...

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

LOL!!

yeah of course, Froch was not thinking of hitting Groves and creating space to smack him again, he just wanted to hold his head down!

Of course!

He tried to hit him, threw  very lazy right hand that missed and his arm then rests on the back of groves' head for about a second before he pushes the back of groves' head which makes groves go into the ref.

TopHat24/7 wrote:
If the ref hadn't have been there GG would probably have hit the canvas and got his 10 count, ironically.

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

LOL!!

yeah of course, Froch was not thinking of hitting Groves and creating space to smack him again, he just wanted to hold his head down!

Of course!

He tried to hit him, threw  very lazy right hand that missed and his arm then rests on the back of groves' head for about a second before he pushes the back of groves' head which makes groves go into the ref.

so your saying Froch was not going for the stoppage and instead wanted to push Groves into a position where he could not hit him again.

I guess Froch liked Groves after all! lol

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

Thanks, I thought so too.

So, not only does Tunes see something that 98% of the world sees differently.  But two of the board's posters with the most divergent opinions also happen to agree with eachother.

Hmmmm...

Feels weird being on the same side of the argument as you  

I just am shocked at the stoppage, such a great fight ruined by it. Yes Froch landed some big shots, but I just cannot see how the fight was stopped because Groves was always defending himself and throwing back punches of his own, one of them a hard left hook that landed flush on Froch's chin.

I don't know tunes position in this debate. Previously he has said the fight was stopped early and he seem sto be arguing that Froch would have Ko'd Groves if the fight had continued. I can't see into the future and neither can Tunes so we can only debate what actually happened and what happened did not warrent a stoppage.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

LOL!!

yeah of course, Froch was not thinking of hitting Groves and creating space to smack him again, he just wanted to hold his head down!

Of course!

He tried to hit him, threw  very lazy right hand that missed and his arm then rests on the back of groves' head for about a second before he pushes the back of groves' head which makes groves go into the ref.

milkyboy wrote:Interesting seeing it in slow mo. looks even less like a stoppage to me. Ironic that froch is trying to hold him on the back of the head and hit him, right at the end. If one had landed and put George out, I'm sure the the ref would have dq'd froch...

Or maybe given him a final warning as he counted groves out.

milkyboy wrote:Keep watching it hammer, you'll have yourself convinced it was a genuine stoppage and that froch was level on the cards. You managed to do it for the Taylor fight. If you watch the ward fight a few more times, you'll get him winning that too.

I'm teasing by the way.

Tunes. Are you a member of the flat earth society? I'll give you this, you stick to your guns. I don't think you're winning many people over to your argument, but I admire your indomitable spirit. Frochlike.

eezerthegeezer wrote:I'm a Groves fan & badly wanted him to win, I was absolutely disgusted by the stoppage at the time, but having watched it back a few times since I can really see the ref's point

in the split second between Groves turning away & the ref grabbing him he was gone, he didn't know where he was, a couple of seconds later he's against the ropes arguing with the ref and seemed to have his senses back.

But in that split second when the ref grabs him Froch was ready to jump in with a left uppercut which Groves would have had no defense against.

Imagine the ref's not there, for me Froch could have hurt him in that moment & he wouldn't have given Groves that moment to recoverWhat doesn't help is the biased refereeing throughout the fight before hand, I'd love to hear how Foster justifies not taking points from Froch

World title fights should be refereed by a foreign ref

eezerthegeezer wrote:I'm a Groves fan & badly wanted him to win, I was absolutely disgusted by the stoppage at the time, but having watched it back a few times since I can really see the ref's point

in the split second between Groves turning away & the ref grabbing him he was gone, he didn't know where he was, a couple of seconds later he's against the ropes arguing with the ref and seemed to have his senses back.

But in that split second when the ref grabs him Froch was ready to jump in with a left uppercut which Groves would have had no defense against.

Imagine the ref's not there, for me Froch could have hurt him in that moment & he wouldn't have given Groves that moment to recover

What doesn't help is the biased refereeing throughout the fight before hand, I'd love to hear how Foster justifies not taking points from Froch

World title fights should be refereed by a foreign ref

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Great footage.

Shows he only lands two genuinely troubling blows

the Irony of you talking about suger coating, he landed 5 shots, 3 were bombs.. You also see how hurt Groves was..

have a look again and as you see Groves stumbling forward, go ahead and predict what would have happened if the reff was not there????  

I predict Froch would have followed him to the side and landed another 2 or 3 shots quite easily.

So while it was a early stoppage I find it funny that people are making out he was not on the way, and yes Im not one to jump on a band waggon.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

using that link can you tell me the seconds that froch landed these 3 bombs. It looks like 2 bombs to me and one shot which when looking at the replay lands on the inside of the shoulder.

Groves also lands a big bomb himself during the exchange.

Thank-you C_S.

Typing as I watch (think link), the first thing is two cracking shots landed by Froch, he then holds and pulls Groves' head as he tries to land - but fail because Groves' gloves are up defending himself. That's when the fight ends.

The link the shows the lead-up.  First Froch misses a shot that goes too high, lightly scuffing the top of GG's bonce, throws a straight right landing on GG's glove, then a big left which lands on the inside of GG's left shoulder as GG throws his own big left (which also misses), Froch then throws two good straight punches, each landing on the button, but neither wiping GG out, GG throws back his own big punches (a right that misses and a left to the button),

As that left to the button lands Froch lands his money punch on GG, followed by another good straight right, Froch then holds Groves' head whilst he is covering up and rolls him into Foster who wraps his arms round him and calls the end of the fight.

That is, quite literally, a blow by blow account of how the fight ended.

Seems pretty accurate. What is also accurate is that froch holds and pulls down on Grove's head right at the end which makes Groves go into the ref.

Thanks, I thought so too.

So, not only does Tunes see something that 98% of the world sees differently.  But two of the board's posters with the most divergent opinions also happen to agree with eachother.

Hmmmm...

Feels weird being on the same side of the argument as you