1872 Cup Thread 2014: Glasgow vs Edinburgh

[George Carlin]

First topic message reminder :


 
It's that time again. The oldest club fixture in world rugby.
Glasgow looking for an unprecedented fifth successive win.
Bring it.
 

 
It's the the social club versus the golf club, the unwashed versus the exfoliators, the heroin users versus the social drinkers, the chips & cheese versus the salt & sauce, the ramraiders versus the online bank hackers, the knock-off Rolecks versus the original Pateks and the cardiac arrest versus the stress-related work sign-off for a fortnight.
 
A. The Fixtures
 
Round 1
Thursday 26 December 2013, 15:05
Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors
Murrayfield Library
 
Referee: Neil Paterson (SRU, 57th competition game)
Assistant Referees: David Changleng, Bob Nevins (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Cole (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)
 
LIVE on BBC ALBA
 
Round 2
Saturday 26 April 2014, 19:05
Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby
Scotstoun Stadium
 
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (FFR, 2nd competition game)
Assistant Referees: Neil Paterson, Graeme Marshall (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: Douglas Hunter (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)
 
LIVE on BBC ALBA
 
B. Form - head to head
 
20 Played 20
11 Wins 8
8 Losses 11
1 Draws 1
37 Tries 34
22 Conversions 22
53 Penalties 55
11 Drop Goals 5
421 Points 394
26 Avg. Age 26
 
C. Form - last year & this
 
Friday 21 December 2012, 19:35
Glasgow Warriors 23 - 14 Edinburgh Rugby
Scotstoun
 
Saturday 29 December 2012, 16:05
Edinburgh Rugby 17 - 21 Glasgow Warriors
Murrayfield
 
Thursday 26 December 2013, 15:05
Edinburgh Rugby 16 - 20 Glasgow Warriors
Murrayfield

D. Teams
 
Round 1:
 
(i) Edinburgh

15 Jack Cuthbert
14 Dougie Fife
13 Nick De Luca
12 Ben Atiga
11 Tom Brown
10 Greig Tonks
09 Greig Laidlaw (c)
 
01 Wicus Blaauw
02 Ross Ford
03 Willem Nel
04 Grant Gilchrist
05 Ollie Atkins
06 Cornell Du Preez
07 Roddy Grant
08 David Denton
 
16 Aleki Lutui
17 Alex Allan
18 Geoff Cross
19 Izak van der Westhuizen
20 Mike Coman
21 Grayson Hart
22 Tony Fenner
23 Sam Beard
 
(ii) Glasgow

15. Sean Maitland
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Stuart Hogg
12. Alex Dunbar
11. DTH van der Merwe
10. Duncan Weir
09. Chris Cusiter (c)
 
01. Ryan Grant
02. Pat MacArthur
03. Jon Welsh
04. Tim Swinson
05. Tom Ryder
06. Rob Harley
07. Tyrone Holmes
08. Ryan Wilson
 
16. Dougie Hall
17. Gordon Reid
18. Moray Low
19. Leone Nakarawa
20. Josh Strauss
21. Chris Fusaro
22. Henry Pyrgos
23. Ruaridh Jackson
 
Round 2
 
(i) Glasgow
 
15. Peter Murchie
14. Sean Maitland
13. Mark Bennett
12. Finn Russell
11. Tommy Seymour
10. Ruaridh Jackson
09. Chris Cusiter

01. Ryan Grant
02. Dougie Hall
03. Jon Welsh
04. Jonny Gray
05. Al Kellock (Captain)
06. Rob Harley
07. Chris Fusaro
08. Josh Strauss

16. Pat MacArthur
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Moray Low
19. Leone Nakarawa
20. Ryan Wilson
21. Niko Matawalu
22. Duncan Weir
23. Richie Vernon
 
(ii) Edinburgh

15 Cuthbert
14 Brown
13 Scott
12 Strauss
11 Visser
10 Bezuidenhout
09 Laidlaw (c)

08 Denton
07 Du Preez
06 Coman
05 van der Westhuizen
04 Gilchrist
03 Nel
02 Ford
01 Dickinson

16 Hilterbrand
17 Blaauw
18 Berghan
19 Toolis
20 Leonardi
21 Hart
22 Francis
23 Beard

[TJ]

What a bunch of mummies boys the weeg are calling a game of rugby off because the pitch s a bit wet

[RDW]

They've announced it won't be played any time soon due to the forecast for the next few days.

Suddenly they've decided to look at forecasts!

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Desperately poor PR - just what we have come to expect from the SRU bell-ends.

[RDW]

It's the fact they clearly didn't learn their lessons from the Treviso game.

On that point, how's it taken so long to announce when that game will be?

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Yes RD - although I suppose its harder to sort out with their (Treviso's) travel etc etc

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

At least Hoggy had a laugh :-

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=yout ... 3Dyoutu.be

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Is/was moving the game to Firhill an option ? Maybe the Jags are still in the huff about us abandoning them !

[RDW]

Chat now seems to be moving the game to a hk knockout weekend.

It's depressing that there's two hk games left to go and we know Glasgow definititely won't be there, and Edinburgh are very unlikely to be there.

[George Carlin]

Can the clubs choose when to re-play? Surely it makes more sense for everyone (including Treviso) to do it during a HC week rather than a full international week?

[Heuer27]

Was lucky enough to be a guest at the hospitality last night and got speaking to some of the Warriors management. They are looking at April for the re-arranged fixture but there is no date yet. Initially they were trying to get it sorted for this weekend but I was told the referee and linesmen couldn't oblige due to other commitments and the weather forecast was terrible for the next few days too. The park really was unplayable though it was even worse than the Treviso game.

[MacKnocked-on]

As this game is now considered a sort of unofficial Scotland trial then playing it after the 6N has finished isn't really of much help, particularly for the likes of Tonks who could have put himself firmly in Johnson's thinking if he had played well again at 10. Seems ridiculous that the game couldn't be put on at some point this week as the weather now seems to have relented, it's not as if we are talking about travel arrangement problems for the likes of Treviso, just get the Edinburgh players on the team bus and get to Glasgow.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Look at the weather forecast - it is hoying it down here at present and worse to come later tonight and tomorrow !  I am just back from a foolhardy wee 10k around the Kelvin walkway and am bloody soaked through the various layers of lycra. Admittedly it was quite nice to begin with.

[justified sinner]

Look at the weather forecast - it is hoying it down here at present and worse to come later tonight and tomorrow !    I am just back from a foolhardy wee 10k around the Kelvin walkway and am bloody soaked through the various layers of lycra.  Admittedly it was quite nice to begin with.

Is that some cycling term I'm not familiar with?

[TJ]

Its been a beautiful day in Edinburgh.

[justified sinner]

Wouldn't go that far, but pretty good for the time of year. Bit chilly if you're in the wind, otherwise fine.

[George Carlin]

Its been a beautiful day in Edinburgh.

Weather is as bad as it gets here. 22 degrees centigrade and 53% humidity. The kind of weather that depresses the locals.

They should have played the game out here. Quins and Wasps played a league game out here a few years ago and it was cracking. Sorted. There's even plenty of parking for FES, although he would have to fight for sedan chair space outside the Emirates Palace Hotel.

[funnyExiledScot]

A 1872 derby in the UAE - now that would be worth going to! Not sure Ben Atiga would handle the heat though. He's a sweaty man at the best of times.

[IanBru]

I am just back from a foolhardy wee 10k around the Kelvin walkway and am bloody soaked through the various layers of lycra.  Admittedly it was quite nice to begin with.

Great stuff Schitz - that's one of my favourite training routes, down to the Riverside Museum (very highly recommended for anyone who hasn't been) and then along up the Clyde to the city centre. I look a bit of a tw@t traipsing along the Broomielaw with my walking poles though... 

IanBru:  
Sunday shoppers:

[funnyExiledScot]

There's a museum in Glasgow!!   

[IanBru]

There's a museum in Glasgow!!   

Yeah, it tells of a mystical time in yesteryear (possibly involving maidens, knights and Conan the Barbarian) when Edinburgh beat Glasgow at rugby...  

[IanBru]

Sorry, that was harsh.

[cakeordeath]

Sorry, that was harsh.

No it wasn't

[George Carlin]

Alan Solomons is so old that he remembers when they used to mark the scoreboard with Roman numerals.

[funnyExiledScot]

Alan Solomons is so old that he remembers when they used to mark the scoreboard with Roman numerals.

Very few are still around these days that can recall such times. Solomons, Alexi Lutui and ASBO. Any others?

[R!skysports]

Alan Solomons is so old that he remembers when they used to mark the scoreboard with Roman numerals.

Very few are still around these days that can recall such times. Solomons, Alexi Lutui and ASBO. Any others?

ASBO is so old when he was in school there was no history class.

[George Carlin]

Alan Solomons is so old that he remembers when they used to mark the scoreboard with Roman numerals.

Very few are still around these days that can recall such times. Solomons, Alexi Lutui and ASBO. Any others?

ASBO is so old when he was in school there was no history class.

To be fair, Asbo had some good teachers: Pythagoras for maths, Moses for religious education, Euripedes for English and Latin.

[jimbopip]

The Warriors don't have a game until Exeter. Does this mean we have to indulge in nonsensical banter for the next week in the absence of real rugby?
Speaking of which, any news on Moray Low's supposed transfer?

[jimbopip]

However, I was once playing in a Vets tournament and after outpacing the opposition tighthead, sad that I'm still proud of that, heard him ask the ref if he had checked my birth certificate.
Came the reply, "Yes, I've seen it. It's written on parchment."

[AsLongAsBut100ofUs]

Alan Solomons is so old that he remembers when they used to mark the scoreboard with Roman numerals.

Very few are still around these days that can recall such times. Solomons, Alexi Lutui and ASBO. Any others?

ASBO is so old when he was in school there was no history class.

To be fair, Asbo had some good teachers: Pythagoras for maths, Moses for religious education, Euripedes for English and Latin.

And Medusa for general naughty stuff   

[funnyExiledScot]

Medusa? Shouldn't that be Rasputin, or is he just a Jonny come lately to you??

I had a birthday at Christmas. All very depressing. I'm getting to that age where hopes of a professional sporting career are moving from theoretically possible to impossible.

[justified sinner]

You could always take up Darts.

[funnyExiledScot]

You could always take up Darts.

I don't have the physique for it, although I think the Ben Atiga fitness DVD is available in HMV from tomorrow so I could always follow that in order to obtain the ballast required for a career in darts.

[George Carlin]

Well done to the Baby Smellies, who introduced their Edinburgh counterparts to their good friend, Rodger Ring at the weekend, winning 41-12 at Lochinch. Teams were: 

Glasgow Warriors Under-18 Team

15. Duncan Leece (Dundee HS), 14. James Couper (GHA RFC), 13. Josh Laird (Strathallan/Kirkcaldy RFC), 12. Max MacFarlane (Hutcheson’s Grammar), 11. Ronan Joy (Dundee HS), 10. Graeme Docherty (Cartha QP RFC), 9. Jack Preston (Wellington/Ayr RFC), 1. Murray McCallum (Strathallan/Dunfermline RFC), 2. Lewis Anderson (Marr College/Ayr RFC), 3. Zander Faegerson (Glasgow Hawks RFC), 4. Jamie Ritchie (Strathallan), 5. Andrew Davidson (Kelvinside/Glasgow Hawks RFC) 6. Lewis Wynne (St. Mungo’s/Stirling County RFC), 7. Chris Jollands (Dundee HS), 8. Zach Mercer (Merchiston Castle).

16. Cameron Taylor (Dumfries RFC), 17. Lyall Archer (Highland RFC), 18. Tom Scalio (St. Aloyius College), 19. Matthew Emmison (Aberdeen Grammar/Ellon RFC), 20. Grant Neilson (Dalziel RFC), 21. Henry Sampson (Dundee HS) or Euan McKirdy (Glasgow Academy/GHA RFC), 22. Andrew Goudie (GHA RFC), 23. Jon Price (St. Andrews University/Madras RFC)

Edinburgh Rugby Under-18 Team
15. Ruiari Howarth (Gala Academy / Gala Wanderers RFC), 14. Paul McClung (Haddington RFC), 13. Matthew McPhillips (Dunbar GS / Dunbar RFC), 12. George Taylor (Loretto / Melrose RFC), 11. Ben Robbins (George Watson’s College), 10. Tom Galbraith (Glenalmond / Kelso Quins RFC), 9. Struan Hutchison (Longridge Towers / Melrose RFC), 1. Ryan Gibson (Jed GS / Jed Thistle), 2. Fraser Renwick (Hawick HS / Hawick RFC), 3. Cole Lothian (Borders College / Jed Thistle), 4. Harry Borthwick (Gosforth HS / Berwick RFC), 5. Calum Hunter-Hill (Stewart’s Melville College), 6. Fraser Christie (Stewart’s Melville College), 7. Shane Armstrong (Jed Thistle RFC), 8. Ally Miller (George Watson’s College).

16. Jake Kerr (George Watson’s College), 17. Robbie Linton (Hawick Wands RFC), 18. Dugald Berezford (George Watson’s College), 19. Jamie Gilmour (George Heriot’s School), 20. Hugh Fraser (Merchiston Castle School), 21. Calum Young (George Watson’s College), 22. Craig Pringle (Loretto / Melrose RFC), 23. Grant Huggan (Hawick HS / Hawick Wands RFC)

[RDW]

That's quite a Glasgow team when only 5 of the starting team are actually from a Glasgow club!   

[tigertattie]

yes and the "edinburgh" team is also polluted by Borderers and we all know how rubbish they are these days!

[George Carlin]

OP updated. You know why.
Return leg in a week.

[RDW]

You got a white flag picture for Edinburgh?

[George Carlin]

You got a white flag picture for Edinburgh?

All ready to go:

[funnyExiledScot]

I'm going to drink heavily next Saturday, no question.

Glasgow by 50.

[RDW]

It would be terribly Scottish of us to end up somehow beating Glasgow next week.

Shame we're half South African.

Please go easy on us over the next week, our western brethren.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Sledging would seem most appropriate for the unwashed as they seem to be going downhill very fast

Blah ha ha - feckin priceless !

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

It would be terribly Scottish of us to end up somehow beating Glasgow next week.

Shame we're half South African.

Please go easy on us over the next week, our western brethren.

Nope !

[IanBru]

It would be terribly Scottish of us to end up somehow beating Glasgow next week.

Shame we're half South African.

Please go easy on us over the next week, our western brethren.

RDW, I'm afraid going to have to post a big fat negatory on that request, but for one big, inescapable reason: necessity.

If necessity is the mother of invention, it's also the mother of putting some hurt on our Eastern brethren, and it's a mighty hurting that's in store.

We need bonus points, and Edinburgh are just waiting to give us one. A bonus point, that is.

[RDW]

Well since its inevitable do you have to put the boot in all week at our expense??   

[Tattie Scones RRN]

Glasgow need a bonus point win to keep up the push for second place and a home semi. Edinburgh should take it easy and allow Glasgow the win for the sake of something positive in Scottish rugby.

However, this is Scottish rugby we're talking about so it wouldn't surprise me that Edinburgh win next week.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

If there is one thing about this fixture, either in Edinburgh or Glasgow, is they are always really close. Last season (Scotstoun) we should have whipped the erse off the MFLs but let them off the hook. Playing at the Library quagmire on Boxing Day was tough on both sides and we just edged it thanks to CC ( how many times has he rescued us over the years - I can think of rather a lot).

[jimbopip]

So here's the known known; if the mighty Weege play as they did against Ulster and the flaccid MFL are as limp and lacking in penetration as they were at Zebre then it's 5 pts to Glasgow and a right showing up to the Exfoliators.
Known unknown; are the MFL going through the motions? Will they turn up on Saturday seeing it as a one off match which could redeem some self respect to keep them warm over the summer? (God knows you need something to keep you warm in an Edinburgh summer).
Unknown unknowns; Toonie's random number generator/ inspired selections. I have a feeling that over the next three games players will be rested and/or tried out before the play offs. A back row of Harley-Jedi-Holmes would not surprise me one bit. Or a Jones-Hogg Isles back three. Also, do the Edinbokkie see the Annual Slaughter of the Effeminates in the same way as Kellock and co? Or has Roddy Grant been showing Du Preez videos of himself and John Barclay at Firhill? "See big man, once you get right inside his back pocket and pull the flap down, reach out and fasten the button. It's really snug in there and you get a great view of the game."
It looks such an obvious five pointer for the Warriors that I'm tempted to put a fiver on the MFL.  

[George Carlin]

Er, this is an Edinburgh side which has beaten Leinster and the Hairsprays this season already and with Visser back, you'd have to be madder than a Fifer's dog to assume that Edinburgh couldn't win this. If they have a hallmark this season, it's inconsistency. They can be excellent and have nothing to lose.

No way I'm counting those chooks yet.

[funnyExiledScot]

Anything is possible, although Glasgow will need to play really badly, worse than at any point this season, and Edinburgh will need to reach their best performance for months. Form is completely against Edinburgh, and even Du Preez is starting to show signs of fatigue. Glasgow will win, it's more a question of whether the soap dodgers can stop choking on the 4 try bonus point. Given our defence against Zebre and Cardiff, you ought to have that down up by half time.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

fES - we have had some honkers too - Cardiff in the HC, Dragons home and away. Difference is we play as a team not a bunch of individuals who are reasonable at rugby but look like they have just met each other. The body language of the MFLs yesterday was atrocious pre-match. They stood around looking like they were waiting for the bar to open !   

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