Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'something'

[Liam]

First topic message reminder :

Boring game but good result for all the top teams around these two really. Difference between Arsenal winning the league and not is a world class striker, because in tight games like these in the big games a world class striker will finish the chance Giroud had. He's been excellent this season but misses far too many to deliver a title. That's what makes Suarez/Agueor and RVP last season the difference in the end.

[socal1976]

That was almost 100 years ago until there is any proof of corruption I'll happily consider it to be human error. As for our game against Chelsea last season what the 3-3 draw the year before when we could have had a penalty as well as Ivanovic and Cahill being possibly sent off? Or does that not fit into your theory of United getting the rub of the green. The reality is the top teams get more penalties because they spend more time in the opposition penalty area.

Maybe it was two years ago, going off the top of my head. It was the year Javi Hernandez came from out of bounds to when the ball was played in and hit in the back of the net. 100 years ago, football has an even worse track record. Was it 100 years ago that Juve was sent to serie B?

[socal1976]

Lets see mike dean is twice as likely to redcard Arsenal than their average with other officials, he is more likely to call a foul on them, and more likely to give them a yellow than their league average with other refs. Now add the fact that he gives a penalty every 3.5 matches and has not given Arsenal one in 24 matches. Compound that with his howler last night.

http://refrefs.com/team/du7f

By the way, I also was very livid with how Man U was jobbed out of the Champion's league in the Madrid game. Like I said I don't have tolerance at all for bad officiating and not particularly against arsenal.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Are we Italian no we are not so using examples from different eras and different countries to our own is futile, there is no evidence to suggest corruption in premier league football.

He's given Arsenal two penalties and in the same timeframe given the opposition 5, hardly a sign of bias now is it.

You can't use statistics to for your libelous claims, you need hard evidence not coincidences.

[socal1976]

By the way a bunch of referees in the NBA were convicted by the feds for match fixing just 3 or 4 years ago. The point is to scrutinize the crap out of these guys and never be complacent.

[socal1976]

Are we Italian no we are not so using examples from different eras and different countries to our own is futile, there is no evidence to suggest corruption in premier league football.

He's given Arsenal two penalties and in the same timeframe given the opposition 5, hardly a sign of bias now is it.

You can't use statistics to for your libelous claims, you need hard evidence not coincidences.

Yes ask for evidence that I can in no way produce. By the way, I am not saying he was bought or corrupted, not saying he is or isn't. But I am saying he is really bad at his job, and in particular has shown a bias against Arsenal that is reflected by the numbers. I am not the NSA or MI6, so what evidence would you like me to produce?

[Hammersmith harrier]

You have no evidence so can not possibly keep posting libelous comments about Mike Dean, come up with some facts instead of statistics which in no way back up your claims.

[It Must Be Love]

OK Socal:
Show me atleast 5 games where he has made a big decision that works against Arsenal.

[Duty281]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

[socal1976]

You have no evidence so can not possibly keep posting libelous comments about Mike Dean, come up with some facts instead of statistics which in no way back up your claims.

The stats completely back up my claims. And having an opinion that a referee is crappy at his job is not libelous. I think you are a terrible poster but it is not libel because it is my opinion. Your legal analysis is only slightly worse than your football analysis.

[socal1976]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

Because the incentive is the same and it is an analagous situation. Again, to be clear I am not saying the guy is corrupt, just stupid and possibly biased.

[socal1976]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

If you are complacent it will happen, I think the EPL is probably the cleanest league around frankly in terms of official corruption. But by the standards in world football that is not saying much.

[Duty281]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

Because the incentive is the same and it is an analagous situation. Again, to be clear I am not saying the guy is corrupt, just stupid and possibly biased.

Then why are you comparing it to match-fixing if Mike Dean is merely, in your view, incompetent?

[It Must Be Love]

Socal, the ball is in your court.
I don't want stats showing the points or penalties distribution, as they don't actually suggest any mistakes or bias.
Can you show 5 games where Dean has made a poor decision which has made a crucial impact on the match?

[socal1976]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

Because the incentive is the same and it is an analagous situation. Again, to be clear I am not saying the guy is corrupt, just stupid and possibly biased.

Then why are you comparing it to match-fixing if Mike Dean is merely, in your view, incompetent?

In regards to match fixing I said that there is a mountain of evidence that it happens over the years in various sports and football in particular. You kept talking conspiracy theories as if criminal conspiracies don't exist and don't exist in football, yes they do. My point is to watch these guys like hawks, analyze their mistakes and not be complacent to simply assume it is clean. Dean is incompetent and has in my view and it is backed up by the facts shown a bias against Arsenal. None of this is criminal, I don't have a photo of dean dressed as a lady wearing a Spurs shirt and if such photo exists I would have no way of getting it.

[socal1976]

Socal, the ball is in your court.
I don't want stats showing the points or penalties distribution, as they don't actually suggest any mistakes or bias.
Can you show 5 games where Dean has made a poor decision which has made a crucial impact on the match?

No I don't have a log of saved video on the guy and have shown you the logical basis of my opinion on Sgt. Schulz Dean. More than that I can't do at the this festive period. But I will keep you informed of my analysis as always Starlight. You know of my investigative brilliance once I get the bit between my teeth.

[It Must Be Love]

Socal, the ball is in your court.
I don't want stats showing the points or penalties distribution, as they don't actually suggest any mistakes or bias.
Can you show 5 games where Dean has made a poor decision which has made a crucial impact on the match?

No I don't have a log of saved video on the guy and have shown you the logical basis of my opinion on Sgt. Schulz Dean. More than that I can't do at the this festive period. But I will keep you informed of my analysis as always Starlight. You know of my investigative brilliance once I get the bit between my teeth.

ok fine

But surely you get my point: it's entirely possible he is impartial and competent even with the stats you provided- just because Arsenal do not do well and get many penalties when he is ref does not show anything suspicious on its own.

[Duty281]

What's the NBA got to do with the English Premier League?

If any fixing is going on in English football, then it's likely to be more in the lower leagues than the top ones as the media spotlight is less - I believe there was an investigation into match-fixing in the Conference South last season, for instance.

Because the incentive is the same and it is an analagous situation. Again, to be clear I am not saying the guy is corrupt, just stupid and possibly biased.

Then why are you comparing it to match-fixing if Mike Dean is merely, in your view, incompetent?

In regards to match fixing I said that there is a mountain of evidence that it happens over the years in various sports and football in particular. You kept talking conspiracy theories as if criminal conspiracies don't exist and don't exist in football, yes they do. My point is to watch these guys like hawks, analyze their mistakes and not be complacent to simply assume it is clean. Dean is incompetent and has in my view and it is backed up by the facts shown a bias against Arsenal. None of this is criminal, I don't have a photo of dean dressed as a lady wearing a Spurs shirt and if such photo exists I would have no way of getting it.

What evidence is there that Dean is biased towards Arsenal? In your own time, and please show your workings:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-dean/bilanz/schiedsrichter_379.html
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_11_379.html

[socal1976]

Duty, did you look at my link to :
http://refrefs.com/team/du7f

And I will keep you posted to my ongoing investigation into Sgt. Schulz Dean.

[socal1976]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY

incontrovertible video evidence

[LastDamnation]

Socal, me saying the bubble has burst, was just in relation to Arsenal now not having it their own way of sorts & having the seven point lead removed. Of course, your still in a great position in the league but what people are saying is just that it's very telling the recent results & that they show that Arsenal will more than likely fall short in May. I don't think people are anti-arsenal, I enjoy watching them play. My issue with them, has always been Giroud & how he will single handedly stop Arsenal winning anything. I just think people like to jump on Arsenal because you bring up all this nonsense about the ref & how hard done by you have been. Please get over it quickly, it's life, it's the EPL, it's football.....these things happen.

As for giroud, did you see the rant Piers Morgan had last night.

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Giroud disappears against every big team. Good player, big heart, works hard...but not good enough to win us trophies. #Afc

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Ugh. #Giroud

-Piers Morgan        ✔ @piersmorgan
Giroud looking out of his depth in a big game once again. Just too slow. #Afc

You know a thread has gone full special when someone resorts to quoting Piers Morgan to make a point

[Guest]

well, i had to bring up the giroud point or something else to get away from this ridiculous & embarrassing mike dean debate.

dempsey confirmed at fulham.   

[Fernando]

Is this debate really still going on...

Refs are bellends to all sides you just have to look at Chelsea vs WBA earlier this season. Was never a penalty at all. 

It's time to move on you can't change the result now. Would be fun if the FA ever bought a rule in to detract goals on appeal for things like Chico's handball vs Hull  

[Dolphin Ziggler]

What we need, clearly, is for agent Dean to ref the game on Boxing Day at Upton Park. The stats show that he has purposefully cost both teams games, this will be the test that decides who really is the foe of all foes.

[JamesLincs]

what a moron

[Duty281]

Duty, did you look at my link to :
http://refrefs.com/team/du7f

And I will keep you posted to my ongoing investigation into Sgt. Schulz Dean.

And such evidence is rubbish without context. Yes. Arsenal may average 1.7 points less when Dean referees than Webb, for instance, but what teams are the Gunners playing? Also-rans or difficult teams?

Such evidence is meaningless otherwise.

And I can see from the below link that Arsenal have played Chelsea four times, Manchester United twice, Manchester City three times, and Spurs twice in the sixteen PL games that Dean has officiated involving Arsenal since the beginning of 2010.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_11_379.html

Harder games = less points.

By contrast, Howard Webb has officiated 14 PL games involving Arsenal in the same period. In that timeframe, Arsenal played United twice, City not at all, Chelsea not at all, and Spurs only once.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_11_318.html

Easier games = more points.

Do you see?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Fulham Football Club ‏@FulhamFC
Fulham Football Club has confirmed it has appointed Alan Curbishley as First Team Technical Director. #ffc #coyw

Why just why

[Guest]

Hope we all had a good Crimbo. Back to business, predo time!

Hull 1 Man Utd 3
A Villa 2 C Palace 0
Cardiff 1 Soton 1
Chelsea 4 Swansea 1
Everton 2 Sunderland 0
Newcastle 2 Stoke 1
Norwich 2 Fulham 2
Spurs 3 West Brom 0
West Ham 2 Arsenal 2
Man City 4 Liverpool 3

[GSC]

Football really needs to get me through this shift haha.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Not confident about today at all. Fuham are the definition of a bogey team for us

[Duty281]

Football day!

What with City and Liverpool scoring goals for fun in the lead-up to this game, I've got a nasty feeling that it will be a dull 0-0 draw.

[NickisBHAFC]

Boxing Day would be a rubbish day without Sport!!!

I recon City again will be to strong at home and Liverpool is simply there next meal.

Also hope everyone had a good Christmas  

[NickisBHAFC]

GOAL!

Hull 1-0 United.

The United rejected James Chester comes back to haunt his former club.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Trolololololololololol

[NickisBHAFC]

2-0!!!!!

David Myler with the goal.

Albion 1-0 up.

Gotta love Boxing Day!!!

[NickisBHAFC]

Hull 2-1 United

Im dreaming of a Boxing Day of 1963!!!!

[NickisBHAFC]

Man United fans:
5 minutes ago - "Smalling, you're Poopie"
Now - "YESSSSS Go on Smalling, future United legend"

[NickisBHAFC]

OMG WHAT A GOAL BY ROONEY!!!!

2-2. What do we recon ...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcaFkiqCUAAN-0b.jpg

[Dolphin Ziggler]

The amount of times I've seen that Boxing Day 1963 thing.

[NickisBHAFC]

We all want it that's why!! Imagine Match of the day!!!

[Guest]

Shades of Schmeichel there by De Gea. Top stop.

[Ent]

Abysmal performance from united and a generally very low quality game.

Special mention to one of the worst refereeing performances I have ever witnessed, terrible for both sides.

[Guest]

Ravel Morrison's not even on the bench today. The BBC have cited a training ground spat.

Nice blend of assumption and stereotyping there.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Were that anyone else coming from 2-0 down away from home people would be all over themselves with praise but because it's United it's just another nail in the coffin. Five wins in a row now, it wasn't pretty today but the three points is all that matters.

[Ent]

What's going on at Newcastle lol.

[CFCNick]

Were that anyone else coming from 2-0 down away from home people would be all over themselves with praise but because it's United it's just another nail in the coffin. Five wins in a row now, it wasn't pretty today but the three points is all that matters.

It was Hull. Get over yourself.

I looked at the score and thought "Meh, typical United".

[hampo17]

They did well to comeback HH, but they shouldn't be falling 2 goals behind at Hull in the first place.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Remind me Hampo how Liverpool fared playing Hull?

Easy to cast aspersions but as we've done for years we found a way to win.

[hampo17]

I agree mate, and I said after the game how poor we were. It still stands to reason that today's win papered over the cracks in what was a very average performance.

[LastDamnation]

Got to push on and win this now, would be huge for morale

[LastDamnation]

COME ON

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