Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'something'

by Liam Mon 23 Dec - 21:54

First topic message reminder :

Boring game but good result for all the top teams around these two really. Difference between Arsenal winning the league and not is a world class striker, because in tight games like these in the big games a world class striker will finish the chance Giroud had. He's been excellent this season but misses far too many to deliver a title. That's what makes Suarez/Agueor and RVP last season the difference in the end.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri 3 Jan - 14:51

Ent wrote:What hypocrisy? Moyes acknowledged and had a word with young and januzaj.

Now he's complaining about not getting a stone waller.

Seems consistent to me.

Don't care about young, he's crap. I'm sure januzaj will sort it out.

Booked 3 times for simulation in your first 6 months as a professional footballer is a concern. He's only going to become more of a target now.

by Fernando Fri 3 Jan - 14:53

John wrote:

You talking about Jermaine Pennant? Thought that looked the most dodgy of actions from him, especially given the score & time remaining. I'd guess the F.A will be checking behind the scenes. If there was a player to succumb to betting issues, it would be him you'd imagine.

Well atleast im glad i wasn't the only one thinking this could of given a penalty for either tackle, Major stupidity on his part if he ain't getting paid.

by JamesLincs Fri 3 Jan - 14:57

young injures shoulder in challenge with lloris

by Guest Fri 3 Jan - 15:01

JamesLincs wrote:young injures shoulder in challenge with lloris

Januzaj injuries self stepping off kerb. Claims a car two streets away and heading in wrong direction could have hit him so he threw himself to the floor to avoid being hurt

by mystiroakey Fri 3 Jan - 16:16

That is the mark of hypocrisy ent.
Not consistant in the slightest.

He singles out young early on. Yet doesn't public ally slate junazi or welbeck who are just as bad and then when a decision goes against his team he screams blue murder and states that its the worst decsicion ever.

His players are the problem. If attackers could be trusted the refs could do there jobs.at present its impossible. He talks a lot does Moyes. But that's all. His players are worse than ever .

by Fernando Fri 3 Jan - 16:29

As usual only United managers can slate refs like that and not be subject of an FA Charge.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 3 Jan - 16:54

Fernando wrote:
John wrote:

You talking about Jermaine Pennant? Thought that looked the most dodgy of actions from him, especially given the score & time remaining. I'd guess the F.A will be checking behind the scenes. If there was a player to succumb to betting issues, it would be him you'd imagine.

Well atleast im glad i wasn't the only one thinking this could of given a penalty for either tackle, Major stupidity on his part if he ain't getting paid.

One of the most ridiculous tackles I've seen. As John says the FA will surely look more into it

by CFCNick Fri 3 Jan - 17:25

I am seriously worried by the amount of people here that think Young going over Lloris was a stone wall penalty. Is this not a contact sport? Lloris didn't move any part towards Young. The contact was made from a little thing called gravity. You may have heard of it. If that's a stone wall penalty these days I finally give up.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 3 Jan - 18:12

What? How is it not a foul of Lloris throws himself at someone and makes contact. Gravity or not, he makes contact. More importantly, Young had to hurdle him to not get destroyed, which further makes it a foul.

by CFCNick Fri 3 Jan - 18:33

But he doesn't "throw" himself at Young. He makes a legitimate play for the ball and there's a coming together. End of.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 3 Jan - 18:36

Most fouls are a legitimate attempt to get the ball. They dont do such, they miss, they foul the counterpart. Its not a crime, its a foul.

by mystiroakey Fri 3 Jan - 18:37

It was a 100% stone wall penalty with or without contact.

You cant raise your studs.

If you raise your studs and go for the ball or player, its a foul.

But even still I cant blame the ref. If attacking players are play acting every single game the refs are going to get confused. Its karma

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri 3 Jan - 18:48

Equally, if refs keep missing obvious penalties then players will feel they have to go down in elaborate manners to get penalties. Vicious circle

by mystiroakey Fri 3 Jan - 18:50

True,

Not sure what answer there is bar video reffing in play

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 3 Jan - 19:54

Do any Chelsea fans know anything about football or did they all just start watching the sport when Roman took over?

by CFCNick Fri 3 Jan - 20:28

I hope none of you complain when Netball takes over as a more physical sport.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 3 Jan - 21:06

CFCNick wrote:I am seriously worried by the amount of people here that think Young going over Lloris was a stone wall penalty. Is this not a contact sport? Lloris didn't move any part towards Young. The contact was made from a little thing called gravity. You may have heard of it. If that's a stone wall penalty these days I finally give up.

Do you have to physically assault someone for it to be a pen in your book?

I'm not Utd fan and I despise Young, but that's as clear a foul and penalty as you will see.

by Duty281 Fri 3 Jan - 22:01

Olly wrote:
CFCNick wrote:I am seriously worried by the amount of people here that think Young going over Lloris was a stone wall penalty. Is this not a contact sport? Lloris didn't move any part towards Young. The contact was made from a little thing called gravity. You may have heard of it. If that's a stone wall penalty these days I finally give up.

Do you have to physically assault someone for it to be a pen in your book?

I'm not Utd fan and I despise Young, but that's as clear a foul and penalty as you will see.

Ditto.

To his credit, Young has actually tried to hurdle the challenge but failed since Lloris' tackle was massively high.

by Guest Fri 3 Jan - 22:44

Agree on Young, anyone who thinks that wasn't a pen is wrong.

I still have a big issue, not really sure why, because I don't support Spurs, but Lloris' continued desire to play sweeper & rush out to basically anything & everything just annoys me. What's wrong with him, does he get bored? Seriously will cost Spurs at least 10 points a season in my opinion.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 4 Jan - 0:26

You say that, but I think about 95% of the time hes got it right, seemingly since that knock on the head his decision making has lacked confidence. A lot of the games I watched of Spurs I always thought he completely saved them by being so aware, just not lately

by Champagne_Socialist Sat 4 Jan - 2:32

John wrote:Agree on Young, anyone who thinks that wasn't a pen is wrong.

I still have a big issue, not really sure why, because I don't support Spurs, but Lloris' continued desire to play sweeper & rush out to basically anything & everything just annoys me. What's wrong with him, does he get bored? Seriously will cost Spurs at least 10 points a season in my opinion.

well it is karma for all his dives that have unfairly won penalties.

by **hampo17** Sat 4 Jan - 9:21

Duty281 wrote:Who would actually want to be a referee?

Probably be a shortage of them in a few years time - get abused all day, p!ss poor pay (I think) and no praise when you do get it right. Make a decision with one look in a split-second, no help from the technology that so easily allows people back home to watch it five times in a minute from various angles and decide whether you're right or not. Referee's right? Nothing mentioned. Referee's wrong? Massive conspiracy.

Job satisfaction? Very little. You get subject to more conspiracies than 9/11 after a big game. Anyone hear the one about how Howard Webb shouldn't of officiated Chelsea-Liverpool cause he's from South Yorkshire, and he might be involved in some shadowy Hillsborough conspiracy? It was doing the rounds on twitter, would you believe?!

Yeah...who'd be a referee today ? They need far greater backing from the powers-that-be.

It was mentioned a few weeks ago on the Sunday Supplement that the top referees will get paid approx £80k a year.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 9:47

its not bad money- but to be honest probably not enough.

There is a certain amount of risk and unwanted infamy being a ref.

We also need to back them but also demand excellence. And with that should be a premium wage.

They are also like sportsmen in the fact that they have a short career.

by CFCNick Sat 4 Jan - 9:50

Olly wrote:
CFCNick wrote:I am seriously worried by the amount of people here that think Young going over Lloris was a stone wall penalty. Is this not a contact sport? Lloris didn't move any part towards Young. The contact was made from a little thing called gravity. You may have heard of it. If that's a stone wall penalty these days I finally give up.

Do you have to physically assault someone for it to be a pen in your book?

I'm not Utd fan and I despise Young, but that's as clear a foul and penalty as you will see.

No you don't have to assault someone but come on. If that's a foul I don't want to watch this sport anymore.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 9:52

It is a foul

No one is forcing you to watch.,

But come on.....We all know you won't stop Wink

by JamesLincs Sat 4 Jan - 11:12

young is already going down before contact

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 4 Jan - 11:18

JamesLincs wrote:young is already going down before contact

You have seen the incident right?

He kicks the ball into the box, then has to hurdle Lloris who's about 15 minutes too late, with his left foot and studs raised in the air about hip height if he's not jumped.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x194653_welbeck-young-and-januzaj-dives-vs-tottenham_creation

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 11:48

FA cup today.

Question to everyone. Does anyone care if your team wins or loses.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 4 Jan - 11:49

mystiroakey wrote:FA cup today.

Question to everyone. Does anyone care if your team wins or loses.

We're playing Fulham. We never ever beat Fulham.

I've already accepted it'll be a draw and we'll lose the replay

by **hampo17** Sat 4 Jan - 11:50

Yes, the FA Cup is a superb competition no matter what Paul Lambert says.

What's everyones thoughts on Southampton saying Clatternburg abused Lalana. From what I've read he hasn't said anything abusive, just that he is different since his England call up.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 4 Jan - 11:52

Oh and I care, but can see why managers don't really. You see it in there team selections. Lambert's just had the balls to say what they all think

The Lallana thing is quite funny. If he's offended by that then the world's gone mad. There was a pretty funny hashtag on twitter taking the mick out of him

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 11:54

He played fine last game v Chelsea.. I think he did lose it abit after the england call up but now back on track.

And to answer my own question. No I dont care. And its an annoying ACCA. Because its pure guess work. But if you can get it right big odds are up for grabs.

by TopoftheChops Sat 4 Jan - 12:07

fa cup is a chance for fringe players to impress the manager and get into the team. It can also give smaller clubs good amounts of money and there are always giantkillings. I have Wigan, Newcastle, Sheffield Wednesday, Peterborough, Doncaster, Everton, Aston Villa and Man City on my acca

by GSC Sat 4 Jan - 12:08

I can see why big teams and relegation candidates wouldn't care. But midtable teams should go all out

by GSC Sat 4 Jan - 12:10

Personally Id rather not bother with the COC but nothing like a good run in the FA Cup

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 12:12

I love the romance of the cup. If my team was mid table in the Pl or champs I would be hoping for a good showing. But it is pointless in the position we are in.

I do fully believe we need to kill the league cup though. That would make the fa cup a bit more lucrative.

Maybe have another devalued cup that doesn't involve teams from the premier league would be more worthwhile.

by TopoftheChops Sat 4 Jan - 12:15

the jpt?

by **Crimey** Sat 4 Jan - 12:19

The way the pundits were fawning over Tottenham and Adebayor in particular was ridiculous. They haven't been doing that well, the teams they have beaten haven't been massive results, they were teams they were beating under Villas-Boas, even the Manchester United result isn't that good put into the context of United's season so far.

Adebayor is once again playing for a. a new contract or b. a move away and that's why his form has improved, he had earned the permanent move to Spurs already in Villas-Boas' first year so his form cooled off and he was quite poor and Villas-Boas was perfectly justified in dropping him. He has a poor attitude and has caused problems everywhere he has played. The same problems will flare up soon enough.

Think today's game is the real test of Sherwood, think if he goes 4-4-2 he's showing tactical naivety, Arsenal will dominate the game and I think they'll be rolled over if he does.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 12:26

I know this isn't the place. But I can't bear going on the cricket forums. I feel sick. Why would anyone drop root either. England cricket has gone insane.

#Offtopicrantover

by GSC Sat 4 Jan - 13:25

Things that upset Adam Lallana

People who drive at 40 mph regardless of the limit

by Ent Sat 4 Jan - 13:29

mystiroakey wrote:its not bad money- but to be honest probably not enough.

There is a certain amount of risk and unwanted infamy being a ref.

We also need to back them but also demand excellence. And with that should be a premium wage.

They are also like sportsmen in the fact that they have a short career.

80k a year is a premium wage, not sure what you are basing your opinion on.

To get a wage above that, in any walk of life you really need to be involved with wealth generation.

The players are. The refs aren't.

I'd dock their wages, they are rubbish and get huge amounts of perks.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 13:33

No its really not a premium wage at all. Maybe you need to look at a different career if you think it is.

Refs need to be paid more for obvious reasons. They are in the public eye and get rough justice. Yet we need to start expecting excellence from them. And to do that we need to treat them better. There careers are short as well.

The majority of people that are on 80k a year(sorry actually all of them/us) arnt in the public eye or being abused by idiots on twitter or forums after trying to do the best job possible.

Think of another job that only pays 80k yet garners that much responsibility!!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat 4 Jan - 13:36

Lallana has only proven Clattenburg's point by complaining.

The FA Cup. Well, I love the cup, but I expect to see a rested team tomorrow and would be happy for it. Great for Liverpool this year who have no other commitments, but there will be clubs like West Ham who have big games coming, this squads at the moment and wont take much interest until the 5th round onwards.

Better than the League Cup though, which we won't be taking too seriously on Wednesday and its the Semi-finals.

by CFCNick Sat 4 Jan - 13:48

Olly wrote:
JamesLincs wrote:young is already going down before contact

You have seen the incident right?

He kicks the ball into the box, then has to hurdle Lloris who's about 15 minutes too late, with his left foot and studs raised in the air about hip height if he's not jumped.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x194653_welbeck-young-and-januzaj-dives-vs-tottenham_creation

Once the ball is gone Lloris pulls his feet and hands down away from Young. Plus, Young's "hurdle" is hardly a great attempt at avoiding contact. He even dangles his foot.

by **hampo17** Sat 4 Jan - 13:51

£80k not a premium wage? Seriously?

by **hampo17** Sat 4 Jan - 13:54

Youngs is a penalty, why does Lloris have his foot that high? He's risking a red card for that kind of challenge, Welbeck and Juanazaj were both shockers, Welbeck in particular.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 13:55

No. I cant think of one job within the spot light that pays so little.
EWspecially when you should note that even ref's in other sports get the equivalent pay yet arnt in a sport that generates 1000's more !!

It is beyond ridiculous tbh. The pl is the most watched sporting league on planet earth!!

80k is nothing special at all. even the most lazy of people earn 50 plus k in insurance roles etc at there professional peak. Yet that job will last all there life

80k cant even get you a mortgage for a semi in a suburb of London these days.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 14:00

Do you know that NFL refs earn 250k (US- eq of 180 sterling)

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 4 Jan - 14:00

Anything over £32k a year is a premium wage and referees in other sports should really get more because on the whole they're better at what they do.

by mystiroakey Sat 4 Jan - 14:01

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Anything over £32k a year is a premium wage and referees in other sports should really get more because on the whole they're better at what they do.

are you joking?

i take it you dont live in Hammersmith then- you just call yourself that!

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