Peter O'Mahony is a God (in Munster) - but is he actually any good?

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Liam Toland, former Munster backrow doesnt really rate him right now and neither do I. Do you and why?

"Peter O’Mahony is an interesting character who is developing into a fine leader. I fear, however, that his combative style is stunting his rugby playing progress. He has all the tools to be world class but often gets bogged down in street fighting. IRB Player of the Year Kieran Read is what O’Mahony should be striving for – broaden your game."
-Liam Toland
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/just-who-are-we-this-six-nations-is-a-real-chance-to-find-our-personality-1.1665970?page=2

Hes touted as a fine leader having captained at all levels at some point but is that enough to pick him?

Onfield he is all fire and brimstone and always looks like he is "starting" but for me he is a bit like the forward version of Luke Fitzgerald. Plenty of skill/talent but clueless when it comes to applying it to certain situations. All in all a fairly ineffective player in my opinion. A little more composure and intellegent rugby would go a long way for both players.

Why is there a Leinster v Munster debate going on here? We [Ireland] are doing well, everyone is pulling their weight and the biggest problem Joe is going to have in the run up to the England game is to figure out which player he can drop (if any).

Guns started it...  

ME-109 wrote:Guns started it...  

Haha. Happy to oblige.

Just change the Title to Peter O'Mahony is a God.... and it's quits on this here Provincial bickering shop.

SecretFly wrote:Just change the Title to Peter O'Mahony is a God.... and it's quits on this here Provincial bickering shop.

Done.

you should add...

"or is Liam Toland just being bitter about not ever playing for his home province and Guns is just wearing his blue tinted glasses"

ME-109 wrote:you should add...

"or is Liam Toland just being bitter about not ever playing for his home province and Guns is just wearing his blue tinted glasses"

After the Ireland Scotland game during his pitch side commentry David Wallace was asked about the Ireland performance and he singled out Heaslip as being outstanding and worthy of the man of the match award. He made no mention of POM. Given that you attacked me for having a similar opinion would you say that David wallace is also a bitter ex Munster player?

Bitterness certainly is a Munster trait.

David Wallace was criticised in the past for praising POM - seems it was all to do with both POM & Wally having Frankie Sheahan as their agent.

By the way, Wally made Heislip look good.

GunsGerms wrote:

ME-109 wrote:you should add...

"or is Liam Toland just being bitter about not ever playing for his home province and Guns is just wearing his blue tinted glasses"

After the Ireland Scotland game during his pitch side commentry David Wallace was asked about the Ireland performance and he singled out Heaslip as being outstanding and worthy of the man of the match award. He made no mention of POM. Given that you attacked me for having a similar opinion would you say that David wallace is also a bitter ex Munster player?

Bitterness certainly is a Munster trait.

      No one has said anything about Heaslip and the MOTM award last week. It could have gone to a number of folk and Heaslip was chosen, some people felt that was ok, some didnt. People attacked you (including myself) because of your silly and uninformed post using Toland as an example, plus your inability to stop digging a big hole for yourself....keep digging though.

Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

rodders wrote:Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

Stephen Ferris v Oz RWC? Rory Best got on in last years 6 nations too I think.

Peter O'Mahony IMO has been Ireland's best player for the last 2 6N matches.

A simply incredible workrate.

Also he gets extra points for being heard over Wayne Barne's ref mic calling Mike Phillips a "FOCKIN' EEJIT".

  

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

Stephen Ferris v Oz RWC? Rory Best got on in last years 6 nations too I think.

Nope Ferris against Argentina in 2008. Before that it was Best against Australia in 2006.

Best has never received motm, nor has Bowe.

Its official, everyone hates Ulster.

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

Stephen Ferris v Oz RWC? Rory Best got on in last years 6 nations too I think.

Would Tommy Bowe be one, he's surely picked up a few... there have been a number of games where I think Rory Best has been very unlucky not to win Man of the Match especially last year, but he's not glamorous enough. There have been times when he was the best forward on the pitch and not won but he gets widespread recognition for it amongst the normal fans- the media just need their glamour players to hype up.

ME-109 wrote:      No one has said anything about Heaslip and the MOTM award last week. It could have gone to a number of folk and Heaslip was chosen, some people felt that was ok, some didnt. People attacked you (including myself) because of your silly and uninformed post using Toland as an example, plus your inability to stop digging a big hole for yourself....keep digging though.

ME-109, presumably one thing we can agree on is that given that Jamie Heaslip has captained Ireland for more minutes than anyone else in this championship so far his leadership has been one of the main driving forces behind Irelands positive performances. Furthermore, his leadership abilities were seriously underestimated due to a fairly lacklustre campaign last season. It is now evident that this really was because we had a fairly clueless coach rather than poor onfield leadership. Agreed?

Gilroy?

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

rodders wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

Stephen Ferris v Oz RWC? Rory Best got on in last years 6 nations too I think.

Nope Ferris against Argentina in 2008.  Before that it was Best against Australia in 2006.

Best has never received motm, nor has Bowe.

Its official, everyone hates Ulster.

MOTM usually goes to the captain, 7 or OH. Ulster hasnt had many captains, 7s or OHs in a while.

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

Thank God he isnt in the team anymore. We can actually win our line out now.

It's also decided by RTE at our home games Guns; they aren't biased against Ulster but they do appreciate where their audience is drawn from. They know they are catering for a Munster/Leinster audience and their choices usually reflect that.

GunsGerms wrote:

ME-109 wrote:      No one has said anything about Heaslip and the MOTM award last week. It could have gone to a number of folk and Heaslip was chosen, some people felt that was ok, some didnt. People attacked you (including myself) because of your silly and uninformed post using Toland as an example, plus your inability to stop digging a big hole for yourself....keep digging though.

ME-109, presumably one thing we can agree on is that given that Jamie Heaslip has captained Ireland for more minutes than anyone else in this championship so far his leadership has been one of the main driving forces behind Irelands positive performances. Furthermore, his leadership abilities were seriously underestimated due to a fairly lacklustre campaign last season. It is now evident that this really was because we had a fairly clueless coach rather than poor onfield leadership. Agreed?

Best laugh I have had all day...feic it you'll need a JCB at this rate...

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

Thank God he isnt in the team anymore. We can actually win our line out now.

You're not serious are you?   

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

Thank God he isnt in the team anymore. We can actually win our line out now.

You're not serious are you?   

He has got out the JCB now..he is on a roll......

Notch wrote:It's also decided by RTE at our home games Guns; they aren't biased against Ulster but they do appreciate where their audience is drawn from. They know they are catering for a Munster/Leinster audience and their choices usually reflect that.

Thats true. Fair point. We all can agree thatthe RTE pundits are clueless bar maybe Horgan and ROG.

Id say its more to do with the fact that the pundits are from Munster and Leinster rather than trying to please anyone.

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

Thank God he isnt in the team anymore. We can actually win our line out now.

You're not serious are you?   

No. Our lineout was a disaster anytime Ryan played. Very over rated player. Dan Tuohy and Devon Toner are streets ahead at this stage. Even Mike McCarthy is probably ahead in the pecking order.

POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Gilroy?

Donnacha Ryan.

Thank God he isnt in the team anymore. We can actually win our line out now.

You're not serious are you?   

No. Our lineout was a disaster anytime Ryan played. Very over rated player. Dan Tuohy and Devon Toner are streets ahead at this stage. Even Mike McCarthy is probably ahead in the pecking order.

Go look at the stats last year if anything our L/O was the one area that functioned and Ryan was exemplary...this is too much I am hurting from laughing so much.

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

Guns can only keep a serious argument going for about 60% of the posts. Once he has been found out and starts to make outlandish statements of opinion that a 10 year old would beat in a debate then he should voluntarily ban himself from 606v2....discuss.

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

He looked dodgy enough against Scotland in the first half without POC holding his hand.

Even Schmidt said that POM should have been man of the match, but what do you expect from Tony Ward. He just felt sorry for Heislip.

I realise he is coming back from injury but unless Ireland get a few injuries I cant see Ryan getting capped for Ireland again. He is behind Tuohy, Henderson, POC, Toner and McCarthy. He is 30 now and his days are numbered. We have better players.

ME-109 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

Guns can only keep a serious argument going for about 60% of the posts. Once he has been found out and starts to make outlandish statements of opinion that a 10 year old would beat in a debate then he should voluntarily ban himself from 606v2....discuss.

I wouldnt mind a voluntary ban. I spend too much time on here. Aparently though even if you ask for a ban the MODs wont do it according to Fly who has tried before.

Its not outlandish ME. It was a serious question. Please keep your focus (like POM did on Saturday).

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

He looked dodgy enough against Scotland in the first half without POC holding his hand.

Even Schmidt said that POM should have been man of the match, but what do you expect from Tony Ward. He just felt sorry for Heislip.

I didnt mention Ward. What did he say?

rodders wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

rodders wrote:Anyone else tell me the last Ulster player to be awarded motm?

Stephen Ferris v Oz RWC? Rory Best got on in last years 6 nations too I think.

Nope Ferris against Argentina in 2008.  Before that it was Best against Australia in 2006.

Best has never received motm, nor has Bowe.

Its official, everyone hates Ulster.

I think Cian Healy was MOTM against Aus in the WC.

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

He looked dodgy enough against Scotland in the first half without POC holding his hand.

Even Schmidt said that POM should have been man of the match, but what do you expect from Tony Ward. He just felt sorry for Heislip.

I didnt mention Ward. What did he say?

Ward gave Heaslip MOTM last week.

GunsGerms wrote:I realise he is coming back from injury but unless Ireland get a few injuries I cant see Ryan getting capped for Ireland again. He is behind Tuohy, Henderson, POC, Toner and McCarthy. He is 30 now and his days are numbered. We have better players.

I disagree but you know what guns you may well be right. but he has been namechecked by Joe so who knows. However why dont you just say this rather than dip into that little fantasy world you live in...and where these funny little facts come from.

Mickado wrote:Ward gave Heaslip MOTM last week.

Surprising from an ex Munster player.

ME-109 wrote:
I disagree but you know what guns you may well be right. but he has been namechecked by Joe so who knows. However why dont you just say this rather than dip into that little fantasy world you live in...and where these funny little facts come from.

What?

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:POC only has 55 minutes in him. Should Heaslip just take over the captaincy for the rest of the campaign? Discuss.

He looked dodgy enough against Scotland in the first half without POC holding his hand.

Even Schmidt said that POM should have been man of the match, but what do you expect from Tony Ward. He just felt sorry for Heislip.

I didnt mention Ward. What did he say?

He said something to the effect that he was giving it Jamie Heaslip because it must have been difficult for him captaining at short notice, although it took him the first half to get going.

Meanwhile ... POM was leading from the front.

GunsGerms wrote:

Mickado wrote:Ward gave Heaslip MOTM last week.

Surprising from an ex Munster player.

He played for Leinster as well (and is from Dublin, and loves the Leinster Schools Cup).

Boss got a minute of a cap on Saturday - any of you guys writing letters to the paper about what a shocking thing to do to a Leinster player   


The Leinster fans probably regard Boss as a Nordie, so that why the social media hasn't been bursting with indignation   

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Mickado wrote:Ward gave Heaslip MOTM last week.

Surprising from an ex Munster player.

He played for Leinster as well (and is from Dublin, and loves the Leinster Schools Cup).

It is the best schools cup in Ireland. Did you see the messages from All Blacks that both Clongowes and Belvedere got?

The Hurricanes did a video for Belvo and McCaw sent Clongowes a good luck message.

Who cares who gets the feckin man of the match awards anyway. So what!?

We're doing alright here lads, top of the table, 50+ points scored, 9 conceded, a few injuries, but only in areas of depth, plenty of players doing well individually and everyone executing well on a clear gameplan. So what does it matter what Liam Toland thinks, how much Tony fuggin Ward likes Leinster schools cup, how Heaslip was quiet for the first half last week?

Sin é wrote:Boss got a minute of a cap on Saturday - any of you guys writing letters to the paper about what a shocking thing to do to a Leinster player   


The Leinster fans probably regard Boss as a Nordie, so that why the social media hasn't been bursting with indignation   

He was going to be subbed earlier but Drico waved to Schmidt to cancel it because there was a maul move coming up that Murray was required for. Jackson scored from that move.

No, I didn't see it. But I saw where a Clongowes past pupil broke someone's arm in a nightclub after one of the games.   

Hope that wasn't you Guns!

Sin é wrote:No, I didn't see it. But I saw where a Clongowes past pupil broke someone's arm in a nightclub after one of the games.   

Hope that wasn't you Guns!

Thats was years ago and that guy was a thug. He even had a criminal record. Very hard to understand how he got into Clongowes. He might have been from Munster, not sure (just kidding DOD ).

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:No, I didn't see it. But I saw where a Clongowes past pupil broke someone's arm in a nightclub after one of the games.   

Hope that wasn't you Guns!

Thats was years ago and that guy was a thug. He even had a criminal record. Very hard to understand how he got into Clongowes. He might have been from Munster, not sure.

Oh dear....

How did i know you would jump on that DOD?

GunsGerms wrote:

Sin é wrote:No, I didn't see it. But I saw where a Clongowes past pupil broke someone's arm in a nightclub after one of the games.   

Hope that wasn't you Guns!

Thats was years ago and that guy was a thug. He even had a criminal record. Very hard to understand how he got into Clongowes. He might have been from Munster, not sure (just kidding DOD ).

Highly unlikely that anyone called Scott Flood-Wiley (21) would be from Munster. (he is from Dublin). He had previous convictions (drugs and theft).

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/two-clongowes-rugby-players-to-be-sentenced-over-mass-brawl-which-left-youth-with-broken-leg-29944695.html

Belvo:

http://www.thescore.ie/hurricanes-good-luck-video-belvedere-1305255-Feb2014/

Clongowes:

Sin é wrote:Boss got a minute of a cap on Saturday - any of you guys writing letters to the paper about what a shocking thing to do to a Leinster player   

That means the complete England and Italy games are his  Rotation.......