Scotland v England, Murrayfield, Sat 8th Feb, 17:00

by yappysnap Sun 02 Feb 2014, 9:32 am

First topic message reminder :

Thought I'd start a thread to discuss next weeks game.

ENGLAND

England head coach Stuart Lancaster has kept faith with the side which lost to France and named an unchanged line-up for Saturday's match against Scotland.
Gloucester's Jonny May starts on the wing despite breaking his nose nine minutes into the 26-24 loss in Paris.
Courtney Lawes will be in the second row after his cheekbone bruising eased, while Danny Care and Owen Farrell form the half-back partnership.
"They're determined to put last week's result behind them," said Lancaster.
England will be hoping to avoid a third successive Test defeat, having lost to New Zealand in the autumn and France in the opening weekend of the Six Nations.
Scotland, however, were well beaten by Ireland on Sunday have not prevailed in the Calcutta Cup since their 15-9 win at Murrayfield in 2008.
"Scotland will be hugely motivated by their defeat in Dublin and, as we found two years ago, Murrayfield is a tough place to play," added Lancaster, who began his England reign with a 13-6 win against Scotland in 2012.
May is not expected to wear a protective face mask when he wins his third cap in Edinburgh.
Luther Burrell, who scored on his debut at the Stade de France, will make his second Test appearance at centre, while Jack Nowell takes up the right-wing spot for what will also be his second cap.
Wasps prop Matt Mullan will travel as the 24th man.

England XI v Scotland: Mike Brown (Harlequins, 22 caps), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints, 1 cap), Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 2 caps), Owen Farrell (Saracens, 20 caps), Danny Care (Harlequins, 43 caps), Joe Marler (Harlequins, 16 caps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 51 caps), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 44 caps), Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 15 caps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 26 caps), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 24 caps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 21 caps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 6 caps)
Replacements: Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps), Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 11 caps), Henry Thomas (Sale Sharks, 2 caps), Dave Attwood (Bath Rugby, 6 caps), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 16 caps), Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints, 13 caps), Brad Barritt (Saracens, 17 caps), Alex Goode (Saracens, 14 caps)

Scotland

Scots team:

1.grant
2.ford
3.low
4.swinson
5.hamilton
6.wilson
7.fusaro
8.denton
9.laidlaw
10.weir
11.lamont
12.scott
13.dunbar
14.seymor
15 hogg

by Ross Ford Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:18 pm

Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

by captain carrantuohil Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:21 pm

Retire?

by ChequeredJersey Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:21 pm

Throw like you did last week, don't bother hooking, listen to your manager, sounds like a genius with a foolproof gameplan and a lot of idea about what a pack is, not a completely loony

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:22 pm

Ross Ford wrote:Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

Pity you arent facing Wales, Sam Warburtons good with the tips

by Barney McGrew did it Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:25 pm

Stop hanging around with Tom Youngs - it's catching.

....or not

by Ross Ford Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:26 pm

What is hooking?

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:35 pm

Welcome to the boards, Fordy - I'm sure you'll find them enlightening and informative! Hug

by tigertattie Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:40 pm

Ross Ford wrote:Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

don't leave the team hotel in the morning?

by Ross Ford Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:43 pm

tigertattie wrote:
Ross Ford wrote:Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

don't leave the team hotel in the morning?

That would make me late for training.

by tigertattie Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:44 pm

Really really upset for Tonks. He is a promising young player and I wish him a speedy recovery. Hopefully he will be back and really pushing that 10 jersey for scotland. For Edinburgh, Ooooft, getting bare in the cupboard at 10. Is it time to reconsider loaning out Lee Jones and think about bringing him back to see if he can play at stand off?

I mean all he'd need to do is tackle the occasional player, catch the occasional ball and pass it from time to time.

by ChequeredJersey Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:50 pm

Ross Ford wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
Ross Ford wrote:Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

don't leave the team hotel in the morning?

That would make me late for training.

:o you guys train?!

by beshocked Fri 07 Feb 2014, 2:57 pm

tigertattie wrote:Really really upset for Tonks. He is a promising young player and I wish him a speedy recovery. Hopefully he will be back and really pushing that 10 jersey for scotland. For Edinburgh, Ooooft, getting bare in the cupboard at 10. Is it time to reconsider loaning out Lee Jones and think about bringing him back to see if he can play at stand off?

I mean all he'd need to do is tackle the occasional player, catch the occasional ball and pass it from time to time.

Surprised McHeathcote is not on the Edinburgh radar.

by Ross Ford Fri 07 Feb 2014, 3:03 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Ross Ford wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
Ross Ford wrote:Can anyone give me some tips for Saturday?

don't leave the team hotel in the morning?

That would make me late for training.

:o you guys train?!

Of course. We practice lineouts and scrums for an hour every week so that we are in good condition, then gym.

by gregortree Fri 07 Feb 2014, 3:05 pm

Fordy...get Tom to show you his technique and copy as close as you can.
PS: I think you may be hooking on the big day.

by gregortree Fri 07 Feb 2014, 3:11 pm

Ross Ford wrote:What is hooking?

Who is Ross Ford ?

by Scrumpy Fri 07 Feb 2014, 3:22 pm

gregortree wrote:
Ross Ford wrote:What is hooking?

Who is Ross Ford ?

I think Austin Healey said something similar to Gordon Ross once! Laugh

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 07 Feb 2014, 3:39 pm

Hey Ross any chance you could get your mate Johnson to sign up? It would be cool to get a QA with him too. Id like to ask him about his days advertising timotei

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Fri 07 Feb 2014, 4:26 pm

Ross,
are you limping - better tell Rab C pronto so he can prepare Wee Chris Cusiter to replace you !

by munkian Fri 07 Feb 2014, 4:31 pm

Tom Youngs needs to register for the forum too, they can give each other counselling

by **George Carlin** Fri 07 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

doctor_grey wrote:That's funny George!

Does that mean somehow Owen Farrell is Mini-me?

We don't gnaw on our kitty.

by Geordie Fri 07 Feb 2014, 8:10 pm

Well Englands U20 backs are putting their seniors to shame at the moment...pace, power, vision creativity...and lead by Sarries Nick Tomkpins and our Zac Kibirige!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 07 Feb 2014, 8:56 pm

To be fair most of the under 20s are older and more experienced than the EPS lot

by **RDW** Fri 07 Feb 2014, 8:57 pm

The under 20s are all feckin massive!

by WELL-PAST-IT Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:00 pm

DISASTER

One side of my face started swelling, by this afternoon I could give a good half impression of Deputy Dawg. Dentist emergency --- Abscess---- very painful draining, now antibiotics.

The Abscess and treatment is not the problem, the swelling probably improves the looks; with these antibiotics, NO ALCOHOL, how can I go through a whole day of 6N and not have a pint or two?

by WELL-PAST-IT Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:10 pm

Just caught the end of the game, stadium name nearly right for the England forwards Netherdale or possibly should be Neanderthal

by Geordie Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:18 pm

The England lads were certainly huge..hugely impressed with Tomkpins, and I obviously already know about Kibirige.

Earls looked a player at 15.

How can we be struggling for 13's when we have Tompkins and Daly about.

by GloriousEmpire Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:14 pm

80% chance of rain for the game. Could become a lottey of scrums and shots and goal...

by Nematode Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:59 pm

Well I'm in Edinburgh and today was one of the best days in months. Absolutely cracking, great rugby conditions.

Just in case people lose all hope for Scottish Rugby, watch this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTt1wIr-NX8

i) Ross Ford takes the ball flat, at pace and targets the gap. Good.

ii) We switch play and NICK DE LUCA sees a chance - two forwards, one a hooker, and he goes for it. Yes, NDL. I know, right. Create, identify - execute. Good.

iii) Tonks is constantly at his shoulder, ready to receive a pass and allow +1 effective challenge on NDL. Good

Ignore the result...

But the crucial aspect to this is that we can play rugby that was completely missing at the weekend. We hear about creating chances. The build up play with the forwards, creating the mismatch, was creating the chance. WE CAN identify, and crucially execute, these opportunities. Don't give up hope. We have it in us. It just needs to be encouraged and revitalised with a more potent, driving pack that can create more chances to increase the likelihood of a score.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 7:40 am

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:DISASTER

One side of my face started swelling, by this afternoon I could give a good half impression of Deputy Dawg. Dentist emergency --- Abscess---- very painful draining, now antibiotics.

The Abscess and treatment is not the problem, the swelling probably improves the looks; with these antibiotics, NO ALCOHOL, how can I go through a whole day of 6N and not have a pint or two?

What's the antibiotic? If you don't mind me asking?

by majesticimperialman Sat 08 Feb 2014, 7:43 am

tigertattie wrote:Really really upset for Tonks. He is a promising young player and I wish him a speedy recovery. Hopefully he will be back and really pushing that 10 jersey for scotland. For Edinburgh, Ooooft, getting bare in the cupboard at 10. Is it time to reconsider loaning out Lee Jones and think about bringing him back to see if he can play at stand off?

I mean all he'd need to do is tackle the occasional player, catch the occasional ball and pass it from time to time.

Getting bare in the cupboared at 10 is it. Maybe it is time to bring back Dan Parks then. Whistle

i'll get my coat. Run

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 7:45 am

I am somewhat disappointed in the dropping of sir Kellybrows Sad

Is it easier for coaches when there is little choice in a position? We have a lot of good back row players and this seems to confuse the coaches come selection time.

Otherwise loosing Maitland is a blow and its hard to see anything other than an England win.

by **RDW** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 7:52 am

Well after a brilliant day in Edinburgh yesterday it is now pishin doon.

If anyone saw pictures of the captains run yesterday the pitch was a disgrace even for that - doesn't bode well.

by majesticimperialman Sat 08 Feb 2014, 7:59 am

Typical Scottish weather then. never mind.

by Mr Bounce Sat 08 Feb 2014, 10:11 am

If the pitch is as bad as it sounds, the English players should be able to take a run up from halfway to the 22, dive and slide under the posts. Mud can be our friend too Laugh

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat 08 Feb 2014, 10:45 am

Mr Bounce wrote:If the pitch is as bad as it sounds, the English players should be able to take a run up from halfway to the 22, dive and slide under the posts. Mud can be our friend too

Yeah and guess who lancaster wont pick ....

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:10 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:DISASTER

One side of my face started swelling, by this afternoon I could give a good half impression of Deputy Dawg. Dentist emergency --- Abscess---- very painful draining, now antibiotics.

The Abscess and treatment is not the problem, the swelling probably improves the looks; with these antibiotics, NO ALCOHOL, how can I go through a whole day of 6N and not have a pint or two?

What's the antibiotic? If you don't mind me asking?

CJ the antibiotic given to me is Metronidazole, often used by dentists. I have to wait 48 hours after I finish the course as well

Timidazole is another that makes you rather ill if you drink, this one requires a 72 hour abstinence after finishing to get it out of the system.

Reactions are:

•breathlessness
•headaches
•chest pain
•skin flushing
•increased, or irregular, heartbeat
•lightheadedness
•nausea and vomiting

You also need to be aware of mouth washes and the like that contain alcohol these should be avoided.

I am sure the good Dr G can advise more than I.

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:11 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
Mr Bounce wrote:If the pitch is as bad as it sounds, the English players should be able to take a run up from halfway to the 22, dive and slide under the posts. Mud can be our friend too

Yeah and guess who lancaster wont pick ....

Only for the sake of his health, if he tried his swallow dive on this pitch, he may go under never to be seen again.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:38 am

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:DISASTER

One side of my face started swelling, by this afternoon I could give a good half impression of Deputy Dawg. Dentist emergency --- Abscess---- very painful draining, now antibiotics.

The Abscess and treatment is not the problem, the swelling probably improves the looks; with these antibiotics, NO ALCOHOL, how can I go through a whole day of 6N and not have a pint or two?

What's the antibiotic? If you don't mind me asking?

CJ the antibiotic given to me is Metronidazole, often used by dentists. I have to wait 48 hours after I finish the course as well

Timidazole is another that makes you rather ill if you drink, this one requires a 72 hour abstinence after finishing to get it out of the system.

Reactions are:

•breathlessness
•headaches
•chest pain
•skin flushing
•increased, or irregular, heartbeat
•lightheadedness
•nausea and vomiting

You also need to be aware of mouth washes and the like that contain alcohol these should be avoided.

I am sure the good Dr G can advise more than I.

Ah. Do not mix Metronidazole and booze, at all. Most antibiotics that is a myth for, metro it is not

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:50 am

You make me want to mix the two Cheques.

Does it get abit to surreal or is it truly life threatening?

Because you cant beat the standard Amoxicillin with alcohal..

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:57 am

I think it stops acetaldehyde dehydrogenase from working. This means you can't break down one of the by-products of alcohol, which is the one responsible for a lot of the symptoms of a hangover, thus creating some really unpleasant side effects. There's a drug we use to dissuade dependent alcoholics from drinking during abstinence, and this essentially does the same thing

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 11:59 am

Are you a Doc Cheques.?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:00 pm

I am a medical student currently 5 and a half weeks away from Finals

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:01 pm

Nice one.

Good luck

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:03 pm

Thanks

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:36 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:DISASTER

One side of my face started swelling, by this afternoon I could give a good half impression of Deputy Dawg. Dentist emergency --- Abscess---- very painful draining, now antibiotics.

The Abscess and treatment is not the problem, the swelling probably improves the looks; with these antibiotics, NO ALCOHOL, how can I go through a whole day of 6N and not have a pint or two?

What's the antibiotic? If you don't mind me asking?

CJ the antibiotic given to me is Metronidazole, often used by dentists. I have to wait 48 hours after I finish the course as well

Timidazole is another that makes you rather ill if you drink, this one requires a 72 hour abstinence after finishing to get it out of the system.

Reactions are:

•breathlessness
•headaches
•chest pain
•skin flushing
•increased, or irregular, heartbeat
•lightheadedness
•nausea and vomiting

You also need to be aware of mouth washes and the like that contain alcohol these should be avoided.

I am sure the good Dr G can advise more than I.

Ah. Do not mix Metronidazole and booze, at all. Most antibiotics that is a myth for, metro it is not

Morning boys. Just saw this. I almost never prescribe metronidazole. In fact, I wanted to be sure so I just called one of my mates in the practice to be sure. CJ is right it is very strong, has particular uses, and can cause significant stomach upset. This isn't one of those one-in-a-million warnings which come with every medication. There is a good chance of a real unpleasant reaction. But it is strong stuff and will get you better.

Out of interest do you know why something this strong was ordered for you? Usually an infection in the gum area is treated with simple amoxicillin or augmentin. Have you been treated previously with little effect? Or did they perform a culture and see which kind of infectiuon you have? Or are in you severe pain and your doc is choosing the nuclear option to kill your infection. Please don't read anything bad into my questions, just out of interest. Certain strains are prevalent in different areas.

By the way, I have a bad feeling that a lot of us will have significant stomach upset after watchng Scotland-England today..........

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:43 pm

Metronidazole is usually used for tooth abscesses in my experience - usually the bugs are not sensitive to amoxicillion or co amoxiclav anaerobic bugs rather than aerobic? Probably you never prescribe it because most tooth abcesses will be seen by a dentist?

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:44 pm

How many docs are on here...

Jeas . Nice to know. Is there any of you that has a gambling addiction therefore needs money and is willing to sell me scripts ?

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:49 pm

Nurse not doc here. Smile

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm

Are you hot?

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:52 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Are you hot?

Do you really want a pic of me in uniform? It might not be what you thought.

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