Scotland v England, Murrayfield, Sat 8th Feb, 17:00

by yappysnap Sun 02 Feb 2014, 9:32 am

First topic message reminder :

Thought I'd start a thread to discuss next weeks game.

ENGLAND

England head coach Stuart Lancaster has kept faith with the side which lost to France and named an unchanged line-up for Saturday's match against Scotland.
Gloucester's Jonny May starts on the wing despite breaking his nose nine minutes into the 26-24 loss in Paris.
Courtney Lawes will be in the second row after his cheekbone bruising eased, while Danny Care and Owen Farrell form the half-back partnership.
"They're determined to put last week's result behind them," said Lancaster.
England will be hoping to avoid a third successive Test defeat, having lost to New Zealand in the autumn and France in the opening weekend of the Six Nations.
Scotland, however, were well beaten by Ireland on Sunday have not prevailed in the Calcutta Cup since their 15-9 win at Murrayfield in 2008.
"Scotland will be hugely motivated by their defeat in Dublin and, as we found two years ago, Murrayfield is a tough place to play," added Lancaster, who began his England reign with a 13-6 win against Scotland in 2012.
May is not expected to wear a protective face mask when he wins his third cap in Edinburgh.
Luther Burrell, who scored on his debut at the Stade de France, will make his second Test appearance at centre, while Jack Nowell takes up the right-wing spot for what will also be his second cap.
Wasps prop Matt Mullan will travel as the 24th man.

England XI v Scotland: Mike Brown (Harlequins, 22 caps), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints, 1 cap), Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 2 caps), Owen Farrell (Saracens, 20 caps), Danny Care (Harlequins, 43 caps), Joe Marler (Harlequins, 16 caps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 51 caps), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 44 caps), Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 15 caps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 26 caps), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 24 caps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 21 caps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 6 caps)
Replacements: Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps), Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 11 caps), Henry Thomas (Sale Sharks, 2 caps), Dave Attwood (Bath Rugby, 6 caps), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 16 caps), Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints, 13 caps), Brad Barritt (Saracens, 17 caps), Alex Goode (Saracens, 14 caps)

Scotland

Scots team:

1.grant
2.ford
3.low
4.swinson
5.hamilton
6.wilson
7.fusaro
8.denton
9.laidlaw
10.weir
11.lamont
12.scott
13.dunbar
14.seymor
15 hogg

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:55 pm

Yeah .. But give me some mind altering drugs first...

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Excuse my craziness lads... i can't wait for this game. Scotland always give us a cracker at murrayfoeld and I expect no different today..

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:58 pm

TJ wrote:Metronidazole is usually used for tooth abscesses in my experience - usually the bugs are not sensitive to amoxicillion or co amoxiclav anaerobic bugs rather than aerobic? Probably you never prescribe it because most tooth abcesses will be seen by a dentist?

We don't prescribe it much because we have a well thought put policy of not overusing antibiotics. It is strong and over-prescribing contributes to the evolution of resistant strains of bacteria. We do use it occasionally, but only in severe cases. This is why I asked those particular questions. I am sure his dentist had good reason for doing what he did. However, most dentists prescribe one of the two anticiotics I mentioned as the best starting place. Flagyl (commercial name) is very strong and in general is not a first choice antibiotic (whithout good reason).

by **RDW** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:59 pm

Who would have thought that 4 hours before Calcutta cup kick off wed be discussing medicine on this thread...

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

mystiroakey wrote:How many docs are on here...

Jeas . Nice to know. Is there any of you that has a gambling addiction therefore needs money and is willing to sell me scripts ?

I am addicted to watching the ruddy England Rugby team. I need medication every time I watch the basterauds play. Usually comes in pint doses. I believe the chances are that I will over-medicate this afternoon.

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Who would have thought that 4 hours before Calcutta cup kick off wed be discussing medicine on this thread...

brought it back for you mate.............

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

In the uk it's still used a lot post surgical procedures, some of the hospitals we are attached to use it a lot. But then some of the local guidelines are weird and the variation is huge

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:02 pm

I think the surface, if we can keep our footing in the scrum, will suit England fine. I think we can bully that Scottish pack

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:02 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Yeah .. But give me some mind altering drugs first...

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Excuse my craziness lads... i can't wait for this game. Scotland always give us a cracker at murrayfoeld and I expect no different today..

This is getting a little surreal Mysti and TJ!

I'm getting excited too - reckon it sounds like it could be mud wresting though?

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:03 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:In the uk it's still used a lot post surgical procedures, some of the hospitals we are attached to use it a lot. But then some of the local guidelines are weird and the variation is huge

Weird. Back in the UK I never used it much. Oh well. Kind of moot as our patient has been provided what he has, and we will have to compensate for his underuse of beer. The Rugby Gods will demand that. Otherwise we will have to sacrifice a virgin.............

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:05 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I think the surface, if we can keep our footing in the scrum, will suit England fine. I think we can bully that Scottish pack

I hope you're right CJ. I really hope it's not 6-3 at fulltime, although I'll take that if Eng have the 6.

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:06 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:In the uk it's still used a lot post surgical procedures, some of the hospitals we are attached to use it a lot. But then some of the local guidelines are weird and the variation is huge
Weird. Back in the UK I never used it much. Oh well. Kind of moot as our patient has been provided what he has, and we will have to compensate for his underuse of beer. The Rugby Gods will demand that. Otherwise we will have to sacrifice a virgin.............

I'll take some of his quota Doc!

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:07 pm

I suspect a dull game I am afraid. England will play position and attempt to force penalties and will build a slight lead. Scotland will try to play offload rugby getting more and more desperate but will be unable to breach the england line Scotland will waste too much possession.

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:07 pm

I know this isn't a footy page an all. But I take it someone gave me those mind altering drugs without my knowledge.

Liverpool 4-0 up on Arsernal in 19 minutes !!! zen

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:09 pm

Dull is ok as long as it's tense, if that makes sense. Or, for entirely different reasons, really really one sided in our favour.

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:19 pm

Yes - tension can be exciting in its own right I guess. I could certainly live with one side in our favour.

Don't you like Arsenal then Mysti?

by Duty281 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:22 pm

TJ wrote:I suspect a dull game I am afraid. England will play position and attempt to force penalties and will build a slight lead. Scotland will try to play offload rugby getting more and more desperate but will be unable to breach the england line Scotland will waste too much possession.

Exactly how I see it with the weather.

England's superior pack should still be enough to run out comfortable winners though - with most of the points off the boot of Owen Farrell.

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:22 pm

I doubt it will even be that tense. As I say I expe3ct england to play a very conservative gameplan kicking for territory and attempting to force penalties. I don't see any prospect of much exciting from them. I expect to see scotland attempt to play a bit of rugby but to execute poorly. I expect a lot of reset scrums and static mauls

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:22 pm

No arsernal are my second team mate.. Not to happy. But that score line is incredible. It's trippy stuff

by doctor_grey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 1:26 pm

I think a lot depends on the condition of the pitch. If poor underfoot then we might have a real mess. Hopefully it will hold up. What's the weather?

by justified sinner Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:03 pm

Spitting rain, odd bit of sleet. Not too bad.

by **RDW** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:19 pm

justified sinner wrote:Spitting rain, odd bit of sleet. Not too bad.

Aye it's pretty decent weather for Scotland! Very Happy

Well folks I'm off to the boozer and then Murrayfield -lets hope it's a decent game at the very least - there really have been some horrific Calcutta cup games at Murrayfield!

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:21 pm

doctor_grey wrote:I think a lot depends on the condition of the pitch. If poor underfoot then we might have a real mess. Hopefully it will hold up. What's the weather?

It will be poor - the pitch is badly affected by the nematodes and has no root system to hold it together. Scrums will be a real mess

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:27 pm

justified sinner wrote:Spitting rain, odd bit of sleet. Not too bad.

That's very subjective! Remember most of the England boys are southerners!!

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:28 pm

Could we not just have unapposed scrums and get on with the game???????????????

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:28 pm

We do have rain here yappy. It isn't Dubai mate!!!

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:38 pm

Yea I just wouldn't class sleet as not too bad!!

by Nematode Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:46 pm

Weather Update:

I'm in Edinburgh and there definitely hasn't been any sleet. It's windy, wet, and damp, but there is only light rain infrequently.

by justified sinner Sat 08 Feb 2014, 2:59 pm

Grassmarket about half 1 was definitely sleet, I was caught in it.

by Nematode Sat 08 Feb 2014, 3:02 pm

justified sinner wrote:Grassmarket about half 1 was definitely sleet, I was caught in it.

I'm at Arthur's seat and there's been nothing. Maybe it's like the Caribbean at Murrayfield? #hopeful

Btw @Scotlandteam has pictures of the pitch

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:07 pm

mystiroakey wrote:No arsernal are my second team mate.. Not to happy. But that score line is incredible. It's trippy stuff

Yeah I'd have been surprised if you'd preferred Liverpool - 5-1, good match. Could be a similar score at Murrayfield id reports of mud and pitch killing beasties are accurate. Hope not.

Ireland looking completely dominant in Dublin..

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:19 pm

Ireland looking very powerful against Wales.

I'm now expecting a classic 6-7 scoreline for this game. The England pack to get the game winning try.

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:36 pm

COME ON ENGLAND!

by nobbled Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:44 pm

Look at the state of the ground. It's disgraceful. Mud bath in the middle before kick off.

by EST Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:45 pm

Good luck everybody, this could be horrible for all concerned.

by Nematode Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:45 pm

nathan wrote:COME ON ENGLAND!

COME ON SCOTLAND!

Braveheart

by Taylorman Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:47 pm

Well this will be interesting in terms of the coaches. Vs ireland Cotter was up against a more accomplished Schmidt. This is Cotters first vs a non Kiwi coach, albeit a very smart one in SL. He doesnt look to have the firepower either but it will be interesting what tricks he has for England. The kiwi connection here makes this one interesting for us- particularly after the Schmidt- Gats match up we just witnessed.

by Nematode Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:47 pm

Just for when England play Ireland, you might want to read this [England 23] in advance so you're ready:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Burns-and-scalds/Pages/Treatment.aspx

by Nematode Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:48 pm

Taylorman wrote:Well this will be interesting in terms of the coaches. Vs ireland Cotter was up against a more accomplished Schmidt. This is Cotters first vs a non Kiwi coach, albeit a very smart one in SL. He doesnt look to have the firepower either but it will be interesting what tricks he has for England. The kiwi connection here makes this one interesting for us- particularly after the Schmidt- Gats match up we just witnessed.

Or am I the fool and that was intended?

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:52 pm

Nematode wrote:
nathan wrote:COME ON ENGLAND!

COME ON SCOTLAND!

COME ON ENGLAND!

hehe

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:53 pm

Good luck to Scotland today, I think that you will need it.

That said, the conditions certainly will suit Scotland better than England so it could be quite close.

by **George Carlin** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:55 pm

Taylorman wrote:Well this will be interesting in terms of the coaches. Vs ireland Cotter was up against a more accomplished Schmidt. This is Cotters first vs a non Kiwi coach, albeit a very smart one in SL. He doesnt look to have the firepower either but it will be interesting what tricks he has for England. The kiwi connection here makes this one interesting for us- particularly after the Schmidt- Gats match up we just witnessed.

Taylor - Cotter doesn't start until the summer big feller.

by cakeordeath Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:57 pm

Let the pumping begin

*Edit* Just in case of any doubt I mean Scotland on the wrong end of a pumping

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:57 pm

Yes - Come On England!!!! rose

by **Biltong** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:59 pm

This Scottish Anthem is a thing of beauty when it is sung with so much passion.

Go Scotland, come on Laddies, do it for yer country!

by Taylorman Sat 08 Feb 2014, 4:59 pm

no it was me...for some reason I thought he'd already started...looks like theres not a lot in this for us kiwis then...not even a maitland on show... Tumbleweed

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 5:01 pm

Taylorman wrote:no it was me...for some reason I thought he'd already started...looks like theres not a lot in this for us kiwis then...not even a maitland on show...

Hartley?

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 5:01 pm

Farrell is going to be trying to much this game i fear.

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 5:03 pm

nathan wrote:Farrell is going to be trying to much this game i fear.

I have to agree with you here, I think he will be found out badly if he tries too hard.

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 5:05 pm

think the kickers will have a bad day too, the ground is awful

by Hood83 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 5:06 pm

Pitch looks woeful.

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