Scotland v England, Murrayfield, Sat 8th Feb, 17:00

by yappysnap Sun 02 Feb 2014, 9:32 am

First topic message reminder :

Thought I'd start a thread to discuss next weeks game.

ENGLAND

England head coach Stuart Lancaster has kept faith with the side which lost to France and named an unchanged line-up for Saturday's match against Scotland.
Gloucester's Jonny May starts on the wing despite breaking his nose nine minutes into the 26-24 loss in Paris.
Courtney Lawes will be in the second row after his cheekbone bruising eased, while Danny Care and Owen Farrell form the half-back partnership.
"They're determined to put last week's result behind them," said Lancaster.
England will be hoping to avoid a third successive Test defeat, having lost to New Zealand in the autumn and France in the opening weekend of the Six Nations.
Scotland, however, were well beaten by Ireland on Sunday have not prevailed in the Calcutta Cup since their 15-9 win at Murrayfield in 2008.
"Scotland will be hugely motivated by their defeat in Dublin and, as we found two years ago, Murrayfield is a tough place to play," added Lancaster, who began his England reign with a 13-6 win against Scotland in 2012.
May is not expected to wear a protective face mask when he wins his third cap in Edinburgh.
Luther Burrell, who scored on his debut at the Stade de France, will make his second Test appearance at centre, while Jack Nowell takes up the right-wing spot for what will also be his second cap.
Wasps prop Matt Mullan will travel as the 24th man.

England XI v Scotland: Mike Brown (Harlequins, 22 caps), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints, 1 cap), Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby, 2 caps), Owen Farrell (Saracens, 20 caps), Danny Care (Harlequins, 43 caps), Joe Marler (Harlequins, 16 caps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 51 caps), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 44 caps), Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 15 caps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 26 caps), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 24 caps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 21 caps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 6 caps)
Replacements: Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps), Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 11 caps), Henry Thomas (Sale Sharks, 2 caps), Dave Attwood (Bath Rugby, 6 caps), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 16 caps), Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints, 13 caps), Brad Barritt (Saracens, 17 caps), Alex Goode (Saracens, 14 caps)

Scotland

Scots team:

1.grant
2.ford
3.low
4.swinson
5.hamilton
6.wilson
7.fusaro
8.denton
9.laidlaw
10.weir
11.lamont
12.scott
13.dunbar
14.seymor
15 hogg

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:08 pm

wondering when we'll get the subs...

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:08 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:And they're only there because Wade and Marland are injured.

I know, its a real quality that England have such strength in depth right now. SL has done a great job.

by Hood83 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

nathan wrote:
Hood83 wrote:Think GE was calling Vunipola a fatty after the ABs game. I think that offload showed he may offer a little more.

it was a beaut

Yup

by Hood83 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

Getting nothing there is very poor.

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

Nachos Jones wrote:
HammerofThunor wrote:And they're only there because Wade and Marland are injured.

I know, its a real quality that England have such strength in depth right now. SL has done a great job.

and Manu

by Hood83 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:11 pm

England have got very sloppy

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:11 pm

Poor play from England so far, still looking a bit too headless.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:12 pm

nathan wrote:
Nachos Jones wrote:
HammerofThunor wrote:And they're only there because Wade and Marland are injured.

I know, its a real quality that England have such strength in depth right now. SL has done a great job.

and Manu

On the wing?

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:12 pm

i think England are creating the opportunities, but are crap at finishing them off.

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:12 pm

nathan wrote:wondering when we'll get the subs...

Me too - 60 mins isn't it?

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:12 pm

Subs in 3 mins guys!!

by ALPanorak Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:12 pm

Surely Scotland have a better 9 than Laidlaw (obv not Cusiter). Massively overrated for me...

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:13 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
nathan wrote:
Nachos Jones wrote:
HammerofThunor wrote:And they're only there because Wade and Marland are injured.

I know, its a real quality that England have such strength in depth right now. SL has done a great job.

and Manu

On the wing?

ah sorry, my mistrake, thought you were talking about generally. Having said that, you never know with the bomber.

by **George Carlin** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:13 pm

Why don't we contest lineouts? I just don't understand it. Am I missing something?

by Engine#4 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:13 pm

Have to say, I love Loch Lomond Braveheart

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:13 pm

if the pitch was firm the score would be 30+ points difference

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:14 pm

George Carlin wrote:Why don't we contest lineouts? I just don't understand it. Am I missing something?

Yours or ours?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:14 pm

Yes MB!

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:14 pm

thats the first time ive heard marlers name mentioned in the loose.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

Brown really is a knob. Watch him as he scores Smile

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

England winning all their lineouts but a lot of them are pretty sloppy, no real clean service for Care.

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

brilliant nowell. absolutely brilliant from a standing start

by stub Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

Ha Ha! Get in Brown!

by **George Carlin** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

We need two scores. Why not put Cusiter and Gray on now?

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

What an excellently worked try. I really rate Mike Brown but that move from Norwell was superb.

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

Quality from England there. Mike Brown the try scoring machine now!

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:15 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Why don't we contest lineouts? I just don't understand it. Am I missing something?

Yours or ours?

Cheeky

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:16 pm

nathan wrote:thats the first time ive heard marlers name mentioned in the loose.

You have a hearing problem, I know a good audiologist if you want thumbsup

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:16 pm

yappysnap wrote:England winning all their lineouts but a lot of them are pretty sloppy, no real clean service for Care.

They have all been pretty clean. Think Care has had a good game, his kicking has been good too which it wasn't last week.

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:16 pm

Nachos Jones wrote:What an excellently worked try. I really rate Mike Brown but that move from Norwell was superb.

The cover was there - the tackles were missed.

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:16 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:Brown really is a knob. Watch him as he scores

wash your mouth out... Smile

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:16 pm

George Carlin wrote:We need two scores. Why not put Cusiter and Gray on now?

Sadly I have a feeling you wont get one score Shocked

by yappysnap Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:17 pm

I do hope that every England fan who'd been slating Lancaster for his selection of Nowell and Burrell etc in these last few games has the good grace to realise they were very very wrong

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:17 pm

George Carlin wrote:Why don't we contest lineouts? I just don't understand it. Am I missing something?

Staying on the ground to negate the drive

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:17 pm

Laidlaw s one who looks short on confidence to me. Cus on fo sure.

by **George Carlin** Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:18 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Why don't we contest lineouts? I just don't understand it. Am I missing something?

Yours or ours?

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:19 pm

yappysnap wrote:I do hope that every England fan who'd been slating Lancaster for his selection of Nowell and Burrell etc in these last few games has the good grace to realise they were very very wrong

was mostly seabiscuit criticising, and i;m not even sure he's english

i have been banging the drum about nowell and burrell so thrilled to see them deliver. Wink

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:19 pm

ermm.

I can see England not getting much credit,.

but the reality is we are playing real rugby..

People will still spout the nonsense that we haven't moved on. But we have.

Its good rugby. You could mistake the conditions for being good. But they are not.. They are shocking.

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:21 pm

quinsforever wrote:
yappysnap wrote:I do hope that every England fan who'd been slating Lancaster for his selection of Nowell and Burrell etc in these last few games has the good grace to realise they were very very wrong
was mostly seabiscuit criticising, and i;m not even sure he's english

i have been banging the drum about nowell and burrell so thrilled to see them deliver.

I must admit to have not known a thing about the pair of them but they have delivered on the big stage extremely well. Some players just seem to seamlessly slot into international rugby.

by nathan Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:23 pm

anyone else notice we've not had wholesale subs at 60 mins.

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:24 pm

Nachos Jones wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
yappysnap wrote:I do hope that every England fan who'd been slating Lancaster for his selection of Nowell and Burrell etc in these last few games has the good grace to realise they were very very wrong
was mostly seabiscuit criticising, and i;m not even sure he's english

i have been banging the drum about nowell and burrell so thrilled to see them deliver.

I must admit to have not known a thing about the pair of them but they have delivered on the big stage extremely well. Some players just seem to seamlessly slot into international rugby.

reality is they have both been rather fortunate, through injury to others, to get their chance. however i dont think either of those two are going to let go of their jerseys easily. 36 should be worried.

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:24 pm

For a fair lump of a lad, that Vunipola has some very quick feet and his handling skills are outstanding.

by quinsforever Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:26 pm

nathan wrote:anyone else notice we've not had wholesale subs at 60 mins.

guess lancaster wasnt immune to the media criticism...good

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:26 pm

Got to say this sledging and cheap knocks from guys like Farrell and Brown is a bit pathetic.

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:26 pm

quinsforever wrote:
Nachos Jones wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
yappysnap wrote:I do hope that every England fan who'd been slating Lancaster for his selection of Nowell and Burrell etc in these last few games has the good grace to realise they were very very wrong
was mostly seabiscuit criticising, and i;m not even sure he's english

i have been banging the drum about nowell and burrell so thrilled to see them deliver.

I must admit to have not known a thing about the pair of them but they have delivered on the big stage extremely well. Some players just seem to seamlessly slot into international rugby.
reality is they have both been rather fortunate, through injury to others, to get their chance. however i dont think either of those two are going to let go of their jerseys easily. 36 should be worried.

They have both been outstanding quins, real finds.

by Nachos Jones Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:27 pm

There surely has to be another yellow card soon...

by mystiroakey Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm

Naughty Farrell.

by TJ Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm

mystiroakey wrote:ermm.

I can see England not getting much credit,.

but the reality is we are playing real rugby..

People will still spout the nonsense that we haven't moved on. But we have.

Its good rugby. You could mistake the conditions for being good. But they are not.. They are shocking.

good perhaps - nothing more. Workmanlike is the word I would use. Simple game executed well with a couple of very good individual moments. Look like a real team well drilled in what they do. Defensive linespeed very good. Lineouts and scrums solid

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:29 pm

We clearly feel sorry for their Lineouts. Youngs is on to even it up

by Hood83 Sat 08 Feb 2014, 6:29 pm

I think England have been extremely poor at putting away chances. 20 zip is not bad at all, but we need to finish off these chances.

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