2014 World Cup T20 Live Matches Thread

by KP_fan Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:55 pm

First topic message reminder :

World T20 has started again...seems like a few months back WI won it........
I think this will be turned into a 4 year event...and rightly so.

so far:

--BD beat Afghanistan........avenging their Asia cup defeat...and BD were talking up the win as if it's an achievement......well maybe it is...shows where they have set their bar or expectations. I can't be excited watching or following such a game.

--Nepal beat Hongkong.......is this a surprise ?...I have no clue where / how either of these teams stand?....and no interest either.

--and the big upset IRE beat Zim off the last ball...and that too without their stars Morgan and Boyd Rankin Wink

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:52 pm

Oh England just when you think it can't get any worse it does

Still at least the team ethic is good eh... Rolling Eyes

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:56 pm

Fair play to the Dutch though, they've been really good all tournament and really barring the Sri Lanka game they've arguably been the better side in all the other games but just lacked the edge to get over the line

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:58 pm

Giles apologised to the "stakeholders back home"

Could his nose be any browner

by guildfordbat Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:03 pm

Olly wrote:Fair play to the Dutch though, they've been really good all tournament and really barring the Sri Lanka game they've arguably been the better side in all the other games but just lacked the edge to get over the line

Exactly, said similar the other day. Previously, they seemed more short of belief that they could actually win than anything else (admittedly, I didn't see the thrashing by Sri Lanka).

Mind you, what could England expect when they drop their specialist limited overs bowler - Bring Back Dernbach! Wink

by KP_fan Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:16 pm

OMG...England bowled out for 80 odd and lose by 45 runs........to NETHERLAND Shocked

maan......they are missing KP...aren't they ?

BUT......they are a happy dressing room...singing merrily " we are a happy family" Hug

by **Galted** Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:27 pm

Just realising why there's so much p1ss-taking of the Sri Lankan anthem, f*ck me but it's dreadful, sounds like it was plagiarised from Eurovision.

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:30 pm

That was thoroughly pathetic.

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:32 pm

They aren't missing KP - They've hovered around 190 the games prior. This was a mere aberration, quite pathetic, but given the results of the Ashes , hardly seems like KP is the man to save England from reaching low lows

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:39 pm

So Giles in his press conference has said we were complacent - about what exactly god knows

He also said we warmed up well.

Always good to hear

by guildfordbat Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:41 pm

VTR wrote:Diabolical from England today. The big positive is there is no way in the world the "yes man" Ashley Giles can be appointed coach now.

Yes, difficult to see Giles getting away with this one. I felt that an England victory today would probably have just got him the top job.

by Duty281 Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:44 pm

Winter of discontent would be an understatement!

Disastrous and hilarious in equal measure.

Thank goodness my Dutch friend has gone off to University in his home country - I could never live it down otherwise!

Oh England, England, England.

I do love you dearly, but you dearly love to hurt me.

Must be love, then.

by KP_fan Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:49 pm

kingraf wrote:They aren't missing KP - They've hovered around 190 the games prior. This was a mere aberration,

THAT was an aberration....
and your statement above is how KP_dislikers ( I see you are not a hater but a mere disliker)......underplay his absence.

by VTR Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:03 pm

I doubt KP would have been up for this one, he always thrived on the big stage, this was a dead rubber vs. a cricketing minnow.

I don't agree with the jettisoning of him either, but the bowling has been terrible in this tournament so was always going to end in failure.

by alfie Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:05 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:Bresnan averages 37 with the ball in T20Is (a format in which you bowl 24 balls) and thats a poor average even in Tests. Eco Rate of 8.07 is not befitting of the "reliable" tag either. But even if he gets for six every ball he bowls for the rest of his career, alfie will come and give excuses for him

Shanky , I think you are confusing me with somebody else. If I defend Bresnan from time to time , it is because some people go totally over the top in attacking him whenever he has a poor game or two. I have defended other players from time to time when they have received what I feel is unreasonable criticism. (Bell , Broad for two...OK I may have a thing about B's Smile

For the record : I regard Bresnan as a useful artisan player , generally worth his place in the England squad , and a reasonable selection in the XI in some formats and conditions , when he is in form. Certainly not a star player by any means. That clear enough ?
If England are to return to the top of the rankings or near it in the future , he will surely have been replaced by someone better. Though there haven't been many putting their hands up lately Smile

I do not claim to be totally free from bias ; but I believe I generally exhibit rather less personal prejudice in commenting on players than a lot of people who appear on this and other message boards. Not to make too much of a big deal of it , but I do take exception to your harping on this particular theme...so do knock it off , there's a good fellow...

And yes , I agree Bresnan was poor in this t20 , bar a bit of spirited batting.

by alfie Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:25 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
VTR wrote:Diabolical from England today. The big positive is there is no way in the world the "yes man" Ashley Giles can be appointed coach now.

Yes, difficult to see Giles getting away with this one. I felt that an England victory today would probably have just got him the top job.

Not serious , are you , guilford ? The result of a dead rubber against an associate is the main factor in the selection of the England coach ?

Certainly the tabloids will be frothing at the mouth , but surely if Giles was going to get the job yesterday this result can't change it ... just as a win here wouldn't have had him picked if he wasn't already the choice.

If the coach can be blamed for today , I imagine it is along the lines of not being hard enough on his players , so that they felt free to take a rather casual approach to this match ? Which is a little ironic , given that Flower was copping stick at the end of his tenure for being too rigid...

Doesn't worry me much who they pick ...the appointment will either work well , and continue , or not , and result in another change. Presumably those responsible for making the choice have already given it a fair bit of thought ; and will have a lot more information to consider than is available to me. But I'd hope they aren't so close to throwing darts at a list of names that this embarrassing but essentially unimportant event isn't going to trump any other more serious considerations.

by alfie Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:27 pm

Anyway , well done the Dutch.

Good to see NZ going well...but I'm off to bed , am getting tired and grumpy Smile

by guildfordbat Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:27 pm

alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
VTR wrote:Diabolical from England today. The big positive is there is no way in the world the "yes man" Ashley Giles can be appointed coach now.

Yes, difficult to see Giles getting away with this one. I felt that an England victory today would probably have just got him the top job.

Not serious , are you , guilford ? The result of a dead rubber against an associate is the main factor in the selection of the England coach ?

Certainly the tabloids will be frothing at the mouth , but surely if Giles was going to get the job yesterday this result can't change it ... just as a win here wouldn't have had him picked if he wasn't already the choice.

If the coach can be blamed for today , I imagine it is along the lines of not being hard enough on his players , so that they felt free to take a rather casual approach to this match ? Which is a little ironic , given that Flower was copping stick at the end of his tenure for being too rigid...

Doesn't worry me much who they pick ...the appointment will either work well , and continue , or not , and result in another change. Presumably those responsible for making the choice have already given it a fair bit of thought ; and will have a lot more information to consider than is available to me. But I'd hope they aren't so close to throwing darts at a list of names that this embarrassing but essentially unimportant event isn't going to trump any other more serious considerations.

Yes, Alfie, I am being serious. Some supposition on my part but this is my reasoning -

Giles wasn't lined up ''to get the job yesterday'' but he was definitely in contention. England's results in this tournament up until then hadn't been good but hadn't been disastrous either. Different parties can put different spins as they choose on the extent of the two defeats then experienced. However, today's result can't be dressed up as anything other than a shocker and sees us head for home with 3 defeats out of 4, including one to a perceived minnow. Rightly or wrongly, I don't believe the ECB will want to present to the media and the masses the man who oversaw that as the same one to now take over from Flower. After the press mauling that the ECB received over Pietersen, the ECB will be looking to get across a ''good news'' story and that can't be Giles in the short term.

Not trying to justify possible actions but suggest what they might be along with some reasoning.

by Hibbz Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:44 pm

Decent figures so far for Herath bringing SL back into against NZ

2 2 0 3!!!!!

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:49 pm

KP_disliker? lol... I don't even dislike him. He's probably one of my favorite cricketers in world cricket... Other than Lara, hes the only one I follow on Facebook. I just don't think he's been unfairly treated in this case, nor do I think he woulda done much to improve Englands chances barring a miraculous comeback as a frontline spinner

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:15 pm

That Senanayake for SL might as well just throw it baseball style down the wicket...

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm

[quote="kiakahaaotearoa"]Holland will beat England anyway. You heard it here first.

NZ to beat Sri Lanka to join SA in the knockouts.

Half my prediction has come true so far... Fingers Crossed

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:20 pm

Haha just seen the Kiwi score. God that's awful.

by **Galted** Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm

Olly wrote:That Senanayake for SL might as well just throw it baseball style down the wicket...

He's just continuing the fine baseball tradition started by Murali and Malinga.

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:51 pm

Malinga's arm bends no more than McGrath's. srs

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:26 pm

how the hell do you lose by 60 runs chasing 120

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:31 pm

By making only 60. Simple. Very Happy

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:32 pm

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:37 pm

:applause: this group has shown just why it was regarded as the weak kin

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:40 pm

I don't know, Holland looked pretty consistent to me.

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:43 pm

Holland pushed everyone except sri lanka, who will defend anything, and have done for a long time..they have their plans and everyone knows their role.

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:46 pm

In any case, England and New Zealand's exits hopefully means GE's sojourn into the cricket section was short lived. Not sure I could live with a speculative thread about the ECB every week.

by kiakahaaotearoa Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:49 pm

Just hope the Black Caps didn't have food poisoning today otherwise you'll never be rid of him on here. Very Happy

by Guest Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:04 pm

Herath's figures truly were stunning...

3.3 overs 5-3!

by msp83 Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:45 pm

I see Happy and Spirited England are doing so well.

by msp83 Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:10 pm

There are reports that some in that England dressing room think that England will be a better side without the duch being allowed to play international cricket!. The ECB are said to be in talks with their best friend N Srinivasan regarding the modalities of moving the dutch off!.

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:32 pm

Scratch my last post mate - at least he puts some effort on the rugby forum, one paragraph trips is his portion here.

by skyeman Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:16 pm

Geeees - what have i been saying about T20 Very Happy

Teams do not take it seriously at times, because once played it is instantly forgotten.

But this was a new low.

by skyeman Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:20 pm

Who won the IPL in 2012.

The BB in 2012

The BD T20 2012.

Who cares?

by kingraf Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:07 pm

Chennai
Sydney
don't care.

by alfie Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:27 am

guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
VTR wrote:Diabolical from England today. The big positive is there is no way in the world the "yes man" Ashley Giles can be appointed coach now.

Yes, difficult to see Giles getting away with this one. I felt that an England victory today would probably have just got him the top job.

Not serious , are you , guilford ? The result of a dead rubber against an associate is the main factor in the selection of the England coach ?

Certainly the tabloids will be frothing at the mouth , but surely if Giles was going to get the job yesterday this result can't change it ... just as a win here wouldn't have had him picked if he wasn't already the choice.

If the coach can be blamed for today , I imagine it is along the lines of not being hard enough on his players , so that they felt free to take a rather casual approach to this match ? Which is a little ironic , given that Flower was copping stick at the end of his tenure for being too rigid...

Doesn't worry me much who they pick ...the appointment will either work well , and continue , or not , and result in another change. Presumably those responsible for making the choice have already given it a fair bit of thought ; and will have a lot more information to consider than is available to me. But I'd hope they aren't so close to throwing darts at a list of names that this embarrassing but essentially unimportant event isn't going to trump any other more serious considerations.

Yes, Alfie, I am being serious. Some supposition on my part but this is my reasoning -

Giles wasn't lined up ''to get the job yesterday'' but he was definitely in contention. England's results in this tournament up until then hadn't been good but hadn't been disastrous either. Different parties can put different spins as they choose on the extent of the two defeats then experienced. However, today's result can't be dressed up as anything other than a shocker and sees us head for home with 3 defeats out of 4, including one to a perceived minnow. Rightly or wrongly, I don't believe the ECB will want to present to the media and the masses the man who oversaw that as the same one to now take over from Flower. After the press mauling that the ECB received over Pietersen, the ECB will be looking to get across a ''good news'' story and that can't be Giles in the short term.

Not trying to justify possible actions but suggest what they might be along with some reasoning.

Ah , thanks for that clarification , guildford ; that makes sense ... But I trust you are not endorsing a "give the angry public a scapegoat" policy as being the ideal way to decide such matters ? I really hope the ECB are not so lily-livered as to do so either ... they really should have the courage of their convictions , and make a decision (whatever it be) based on logic and judgement - else we really are in trouble !

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:16 am

Ind, & Lanka are in s.f........and Pak / WI look set to......speaks of the conditions.
WI bowling and cricket style has turned sub-continent like in the last 5 years

great opportunity for India to roll-over the only non real subcontinental team i.e SA with their spin---and progress to finals

by guildfordbat Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:27 am

alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
VTR wrote:Diabolical from England today. The big positive is there is no way in the world the "yes man" Ashley Giles can be appointed coach now.

Yes, difficult to see Giles getting away with this one. I felt that an England victory today would probably have just got him the top job.

Not serious , are you , guilford ? The result of a dead rubber against an associate is the main factor in the selection of the England coach ?

Certainly the tabloids will be frothing at the mouth , but surely if Giles was going to get the job yesterday this result can't change it ... just as a win here wouldn't have had him picked if he wasn't already the choice.

If the coach can be blamed for today , I imagine it is along the lines of not being hard enough on his players , so that they felt free to take a rather casual approach to this match ? Which is a little ironic , given that Flower was copping stick at the end of his tenure for being too rigid...

Doesn't worry me much who they pick ...the appointment will either work well , and continue , or not , and result in another change. Presumably those responsible for making the choice have already given it a fair bit of thought ; and will have a lot more information to consider than is available to me. But I'd hope they aren't so close to throwing darts at a list of names that this embarrassing but essentially unimportant event isn't going to trump any other more serious considerations.

Yes, Alfie, I am being serious. Some supposition on my part but this is my reasoning -

Giles wasn't lined up ''to get the job yesterday'' but he was definitely in contention. England's results in this tournament up until then hadn't been good but hadn't been disastrous either. Different parties can put different spins as they choose on the extent of the two defeats then experienced. However, today's result can't be dressed up as anything other than a shocker and sees us head for home with 3 defeats out of 4, including one to a perceived minnow. Rightly or wrongly, I don't believe the ECB will want to present to the media and the masses the man who oversaw that as the same one to now take over from Flower. After the press mauling that the ECB received over Pietersen, the ECB will be looking to get across a ''good news'' story and that can't be Giles in the short term.

Not trying to justify possible actions but suggest what they might be along with some reasoning.

Ah , thanks for that clarification , guildford ; that makes sense ... But I trust you are not endorsing a "give the angry public a scapegoat" policy as being the ideal way to decide such matters ? I really hope the ECB are not so lily-livered as to do so either ... they really should have the courage of their convictions , and make a decision (whatever it be) based on logic and judgement - else we really are in trouble !

Thanks, Alfie.

No endorsement of ''give the angry public a scapegoat'' from me. However, only right to point out that this member of the public was not a great fan of Giles to begin with and was also distinctly unimpressed with the ECB over their handling of the Pietersen saga. I therefore probably won't be a particularly fair judge whatever is decided.

I note that George Dobell has since made similar comments on cricinfo to my previous post and suggested that yesterday's result might have dealt ''a fatal blow'' to Giles' chances of landing the top job. I appreciate that Dobell is ''marmite'' for many.

by GSC Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:47 am

I suspect this was Giles' audition, and although it was a dead rubber with regards to the T20 WC, I suspect it was not a dead rubber to Giles. Therefore the players unwillingness to rise to the occasion for him probably kills his prospects

by **Pal Joey** Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:08 pm

See if we can make it 4 out of 4. Losses that is.

I won't settle for anything less with this utterly pathetic 'team'! Very Happy

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:13 pm

Linebreaker wrote:See if we can make it 4 out of 4. Losses that is.

I won't settle for anything less with this utterly pathetic 'team'!

seems they will finish better than Eng and will go down steam rolling the minnow in the group

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:47 pm

The Wset Indians are shoiwng the value of their IPL experience....from a precarious position of 65-4 and 80-5 going at 6RPO...... playing themselves to a reasonably strong position.

Like the Yuv / Dhoni partnership vs. Aus..

Looking like a 150ish finish which to me would make WI favourite

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:59 pm

and they finish with an astounding 166
I cannot remember more explosive finish in an international T20 game

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:00 pm

from CI comments.....Siva: "WI scored 84 in first 15 overs and 82 in next 5 overs." Raul: "DJ Bravo - 13 Runs from first 16 delivaries faced & 33 runs from his last 10 deliverers. #GameChanger"

by KP_fan Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:56 pm

and what a thrashing they delivered to Pak.

quality spinners......FTBs....and Smith, Gayle, Samuels are yet to fire....with the bat.

WI cricketers have really taken a liking to T20

by Guest Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:58 pm

and it was intresting to see Gayle actually fired up, and sledging the pakistani batsman..ususally he just looks dis-intrested, and stays out of the way.

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