Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[It Must Be Love]

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I wouldn't mind Klopp replacing Moyes, if he does leave.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Chelsea could've you know not conceded a last minute goal against ten men as well you know...

Ballague had said utd are keeping an eye on Lionel messi. How is this guy even in a job

[mystiroakey]

However the fact they have sacked moyes tells me they do want to make an appointment before the WC otherwise why not give him till the end of the season

Was on Sky, saying they want a new man in place confirmed and want to copy the Manchester City way of doing things from last summer, by signing the majority of new players before the WC. If they delay, they will just lose the players to other bigger, european involved clubs. Got to act fast & turn this around with authoritative decisions.

it seems a bit desperate though doesn't it. There is no guarantee they can get any decent manager in that time frame.

[Ent]

But that makes up for the dodgy ones United get.

The Barcelona game was reffed by an under experienced
Norwegian league ref because UEFA didn't want an all English final again. We all know UEFA hates the English.

Well this is just lies.

It's been 5 years get over it, you ballsed up against 10 men.

God knows why he sent Abidal off when he didn't foul Anelka if he didn't want Chelsea to go through.

[GSC]

If you decide to get rid of Moyes you might as well make a head start on hiring his replacement. Nothing left to play for this season

[mystiroakey]

struggled doesnt equal losing ent.

lets leave it at that.

and get back to who is going to manage United!!!!

Dicanio gets my vote...

[Ent]

Why the hell are we saying things like we want to copy city?

What on earth is wrong with the people running our club.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

#hughtonforutd

[GSC]

I'm sorry Myst but winning 87.5% of the time isn't struggling

[mystiroakey]

TBH- Go hard core on SIMONE..

Thats your man. Seems to play similar to mourinhio with the basics but a bit more flair- he would be a first rate PL manager

[Ent]

Chelsea could've you know not conceded a last minute goal against ten men as well you know...

Ballague had said utd are keeping an eye on Lionel messi. How is this guy even in a job

I think it has gotten to the point where he is seeing how much he can get away with. He's never called any transfer correctly.

[Ent]

TBH- Go hard core on SIMONE..

Thats your man. Seems to play similar to mourinhio with the basics but a bit more flair- he would be a first rate PL manager

Simeone vs Beckham 98.

It ain't happening.

[Fernando]

Why the hell are we saying things like we want to copy city?

What on earth is wrong with the people running our club.

That was former Scousers director Christian Purslow actually   

[CFCNick]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

[Ent]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

Wembley hosted the final twice, hence the give comment.

So they sent a referee in to get Barca to the final and his method was to incorrectly reduce them to 10 men when 1-0 down away from home.

Right.

[Ent]

Why the hell are we saying things like we want to copy city?

What on earth is wrong with the people running our club.

That was former Scousers director Christian Purslow actually   

Thank god. No doubt it is true, we've done a lot of shopping late in the window the last few years but you shouldn't be saying things like copy city.

[Fernando]

Why the hell are we saying things like we want to copy city?

What on earth is wrong with the people running our club.

That was former Scousers director Christian Purslow actually   

Thank god. No doubt it is true, we've done a lot of shopping late in the window the last few years but you shouldn't be saying things like copy city.

It was more that in time Moyes was appointed Citeh had already signed 4 top quality players. Hence copying them to get themselves ahead of the market and get it done earlier.

[Ent]

When did city sign these 4 top quality players? They spunked £100 million away when they needed a centre half and left back.

Get your business done early, just relieved it wasn't the club making the remark about copying city.

[mystiroakey]

I cant see Man U naming a decent manager before the WC- I can see them trying as hard as possible- but i cant see them pulling it off- and without a manager - you cant sign players(well away from the the PL anyway- they could probably still sign shaw)

[Ent]

I cant see Man U naming a decent manager before the WC- I can see them trying as hard as possible- but i cant see them pulling it off- and without a manager - you cant sign players(well away from the the PL anyway- they could probably still sign shaw)

Agreed, I really think the club is in an absolute mess and it all comes back to last summer.

[CFCNick]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

Wembley hosted the final twice, hence the give comment.

So they sent a referee in to get Barca to the final and his method was to incorrectly reduce them to 10 men when 1-0 down away from home.

Right.

Not exactly but they know that a ref that lacks experience won't want to put himself in the spotlight by making too many rash decisions. But obviously by doing that he put himself in the spotlight.

Hosting two finals doesn't mean f all. It gives large amounts of cash to UEFA no matter who hosts. I mean on a national team and club level. Giving Wembley two finals doesn't mean anything. They were cashing in on an iconic location.

[Ent]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

Wembley hosted the final twice, hence the give comment.

So they sent a referee in to get Barca to the final and his method was to incorrectly reduce them to 10 men when 1-0 down away from home.

Right.

Not exactly but they know that a ref that lacks experience won't want to put himself in the spotlight by making too many rash decisions. But obviously by doing that he put himself in the spotlight.

Hosting two finals doesn't mean f all. It gives large amounts of cash to UEFA no matter who hosts. I mean on a national team and club level. Giving Wembley two finals doesn't mean anything. They were cashing in on an iconic location.

Yeah but if they hated England why would they give them 2 finals to host.

It means nothing as it doesn't support your terrible argument.

So Uefa corrupted a young ref, did he forget who he was fixing the game for when he incorrectly sent Abidal off? Why not send an experienced ref who could subtely manage the game - because you are talking embarassing nonsense.

[Guest]

When did city sign these 4 top quality players? They spunked £100 million away when they needed a centre half and left back.

Get your business done early, just relieved it wasn't the club making the remark about copying city.

I only caught the beginning of the interview with Bryan Swanson on Sky. His words were along the lines of 'United have admitted, although not publicly, they want to be pro-active & act in a similar manner to that of Man City, in brining in their targets before the world cup in order to bring some stability throughout August & into pre-season. Along the lines of that.

You need to sort this mess out quickly, sacking Moyes now, must mean a candidate is in the pipeline for early summer, which rules out Van Gaal.

[GSC]

I'm still struggling to work out how UEFA planned to fix a semi when the ref sent off a Barca player wrongly.

Next we'll be claiming Platini swapped the match ball before Iniesta scored

[Ent]

I'm still struggling to work out how UEFA planned to fix a semi when the ref sent off a Barca player wrongly.

Next we'll be claiming Platini swapped the match ball before Iniesta scored

Because Iniesta is a robot and he was programmed to score late on. The ref was just distracting attention from himself there.

[Ent]

When did city sign these 4 top quality players? They spunked £100 million away when they needed a centre half and left back.

Get your business done early, just relieved it wasn't the club making the remark about copying city.

I only caught the beginning of the interview with Bryan Swanson on Sky. His words were along the lines of 'United have admitted, although not publicly, they want to be pro-active & act in a similar manner to that of Man City, in brining in their targets before the world cup in order to bring some stability throughout August & into pre-season. Along the lines of that.

You need to sort this mess out quickly, sacking Moyes now, must mean a candidate is in the pipeline for early summer, which rules out Van Gaal.

Whilst I want the work done early, it's a world cup year - it may not be realistic.

City may have moved quickly but they got a duff manager and wasted money on players they didn't need and didn't strengthen their weakest areas.

[GSC]

City being pro active this summer was a reaction to the previous summer when they lost the title to United by being ponderous in the window

[Ent]

Mancini lost them that league, the man was clueless.

[CFCNick]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

Wembley hosted the final twice, hence the give comment.

So they sent a referee in to get Barca to the final and his method was to incorrectly reduce them to 10 men when 1-0 down away from home.

Right.

Not exactly but they know that a ref that lacks experience won't want to put himself in the spotlight by making too many rash decisions. But obviously by doing that he put himself in the spotlight.

Hosting two finals doesn't mean f all. It gives large amounts of cash to UEFA no matter who hosts. I mean on a national team and club level. Giving Wembley two finals doesn't mean anything. They were cashing in on an iconic location.

Yeah but if they hated England why would they give them 2 finals to host.

It means nothing as it doesn't support your terrible argument.

So Uefa corrupted a young ref, did he forget who he was fixing the game for when he incorrectly sent Abidal off? Why not send an experienced ref who could subtely manage the game - because you are talking embarassing nonsense.

Do you need help reading?

I said UEFA hosted the final at Wembley for money reasons and historic location. That is it.

I never said UEFA corrupted the ref. I never said it was fixed. I said that an inexperienced ref, not young just inexperienced, will not want to be the main story of the game because refs in all sports feel they may damage their chance at officiating big games in the future. They will hide in plain sight and let the players play out the result. Obviously by not wanting to be in the news he didn't give any penalties and by doing that he made mistake and put himself on the news.

What I'm saying isn't really isn't outlandish at all.

A similar thing happened with my NHL team on Sunday night. We were scored against and should have been 2-1 behind with momentum firmly with the other team. The referee, who was officiating only his 2nd ever playoff game, disallowed the goal for goaltender interference. What happened was our goalie initiated contact with an attacker in his crease. The attacker didn't do anything wrong and the goalie had time to reset before the actual shot came in and he got a decent effort to stop it but it went in.

People said he was just following the letter of the law but at the same time have all said any ref with more experience would use common sense and let the goal stand.

Inexperienced officials make mistakes when in the their mind they believe they are doing the right thing.

[CFCNick]

I'm still struggling to work out how UEFA planned to fix a semi when the ref sent off a Barca player wrongly.

Next we'll be claiming Platini swapped the match ball before Iniesta scored

Please point out where I said it was fixed or influenced. I never said that.

[NickisBHAFC]

Sacking Moyes is beyond harsh, Fergie got of to a rubbish start and look how that turned out in the end, Best manager to ever live, not saying Moyes was going to be the next Fergie but he still deserved time.

That United team only won the league last year with that team because they had Fergie. Fergie could use the Sunderland/Cardiff/Fulham team and get them fighting for the title. On paper that United team is Everton/Tottenham standard. 

Giggs for Manager. Blokes a legend.

[Ent]

Give them?

What I'm saying is UEFA can't help it if an English club make it to the final. They couldn't help it in 2008 when United beat Barca and were guaranteed us or Liverpool. But in 2009 with the all English semi ending first they had the opportunity to stop a 2nd consecutive all English final.

And it's not some whacky conspiracy. UEFA, Platini in particular, hate England and the premier league.

Uh here?

Why would an inexperienced referee stop Chelsea getting through, this is utter nonsense.

In your other example that younger official has got himself into the news via making a decision - the exact opposite of what you are claiming happens...

If Uefa really hated the english they wouldn't have been awarded the final for new wembley and the 125th anniversary.

It's all absolute nonsense.

[GSC]

You're implying UEFA, for some unknown reason, picked an inexperienced ref, using their amazing powers of foresight to see he would "bottle key decisions" and knock out the English team. Because UEFA hate England.

[Ent]

Sacking Moyes is beyond harsh, Fergie got of to a rubbish start and look how that turned out in the end, Best manager to ever live, not saying Moyes was going to be the next Fergie but he still deserved time.

That United team only won the league last year with that team because they had Fergie. Fergie could use the Sunderland/Cardiff/Fulham team and get them fighting for the title. On paper that United team is Everton/Tottenham standard. 

Giggs for Manager. Blokes a legend.

Wasn't harsh at all, he was rubbish. Fergie came into a drinking culture, unfit players, no youth team, 44k seater stadium etc etc there is just no comparison to the jobs they both took over.

If he had shown any sort of plan or improvement over the season he would have gotten time - it got worse.

On paper united have the 3rd best squad, now we are 7th.

[GSC]

3rd best squad is kind. I'd have them 5th at best. Too many defenders past their best or not good enough yet. CM is dire, wingers are dire bar Januzaj. Mata/Rooney and RVP the plus points and you really have to pick 2 from 3 to be effective.

[Ent]

3rd best squad is kind. I'd have them 5th at best. Too many defenders past their best or not good enough yet. CM is dire, wingers are dire bar Januzaj. Mata/Rooney and RVP the plus points and you really have to pick 2 from 3 to be effective.

We won the league last year comfortably.

I do not think it is outrageous to say we had/have the 3rd best squad - Moyes got nothing out of them. We deserve to be 7th (maybe lower, 11 defeats...) due to the way we have played. The players would be showing more under a better manager.

[GSC]

Yeah, but this isn't last year and United no longer have a massive advantage in managerial terms. Ferguson was able to get an extra 10% or so, coupled with a poor PL where both challengers imploded internally and United cruised under no pressure. I didn't think United had a vintage squad last year and players like Vidic and Rio have vastly fallen off while RVP has reverted to injury prone form.

[Ent]

Obviously things look different almost a year into Moyes management, the players have been used badly etc

When he took over he had the 3rd best squad imo, spent £65 million on it and has come 7th.

I do not think it was a harsh sacking at all.

[GSC]

Ultimately Moyes can't go out there and kick the ball for them. Regardless of the manager, the players should still be able to perform. Few United players have and I judge them on that.

I'd struggle to believe that Vidic or Rios roles are drastically different under Moyes. Or Carricks. Valencia in particular seems to have maintained his role of running aimlessly down the right all game.

[Ent]

Ultimately Moyes can't go out there and kick the ball for them. Regardless of the manager, the players should still be able to perform. Few United players have and I judge them on that.

I'd struggle to believe that Vidic or Rios roles are drastically different under Moyes. Or Carricks. Valencia in particular seems to have maintained his role of running aimlessly down the right all game.

Valencia has a simple job, it's easy for him to keep it up.

You can check how Rio etc has been used. Played the 1st 7 games with no rest, dropped - recalled for the big games despite not having played. Madness, he is 35, Fergie played him once a week or picked and chose the games he needed him for and worked it round his fitness. There was no method to Moyes selection strategy anywhere.

Giggs played every 2 weeks for Fergie, he was left out of the team for months under Moyes then picked for 2 of the biggest games of the season out of the blue.

Kagawa barely got a minute, then ended up playing away to Bayern.

It was absolute madness what Moyes was up to.

[NickisBHAFC]

Already though, United season next year is going to be a right off IMO.

Going to have a complete change in there defense.

Raffel - May Stay, not good enough though.

Evra - Too Old, needs to go

Vidic - Leaving.

Rio - Too Old, needs to go

So thats 3 new defenders needed. Evans, Jones and Smalling as back up. Jones and Smalling isn't bad back up, but Evans should go.

[Liam]

Nick Evans is vastly underrated. Ask most utd fans and they will tell you our best cb for the last 2/3 seasons was Evans.

I think one of the big problems clearly have been behind the scenes with Moyes' training methods. lot's of running and old fashioned cone dribbling has seemed to alienate and crucially, cause injury to players like RVP, who were carefully managed last year. RVP had his own training regime which kept him fit all season. Its no coincidence that under Moyes he's only managed to start 18 times this season, with many injure's being muscle strains etc from clearly new training methods thats don't match his body.

I think if Van Gaal comes in, RVP may well be made captain and be given the main striking role. What this will mean for Rooney is anyone's guess.

[Ent]

Well Evans was great last year with either Rio or Vidic beside him.

Jones is a terrible footballer, he can barely play the game. He, Smalling and Rafael have gone backwards under Moyes.

So we need a new centre half and left back at least.

[mystiroakey]

you havent even touched on the cm position-

carrick is fine as a DM- but you need that one player.

I would put pretty decent money on the fact that if Cabaye had gone to united everyone else would also look better.

Get that CM- then you will see what the others are made of.

[GSC]

Tbh I'd be looking for an upgrade on Carrick, but hes not the weakest link by far at present.

While Moyes made his fair share of mistakes, the players are getting scot (giggle) free. Individual performances haven't been good for some (supposedly) good players

[Ent]

Yes we need a cm, we needed one last year and wasted £27 million on Fellaini.

Had this year gone to plan we would have got a decent cm and turned 2 of jones, smalling, evans into starting centre halfs.

Instead we bought a special only good for selling comedy wigs and played a player who will be leaving at every opportunity. Madness.

[Ent]

Tbh I'd be looking for an upgrade on Carrick, but hes not the weakest link by far at present.

While Moyes made his fair share of mistakes, the players are getting scot (giggle) free. Individual performances haven't been good for some (supposedly) good players

Carrick has been as bad this year as he was good last year. I was waiting to see if you were going to point the finger at him earlier as he is one player I agree has let himself and the team down, he is known to hide away when things get tough.

Someone genuinley world class in beside him who takes responsibility and he will look good again.

[GSC]

Tbf I don't think its a case of him outright rejecting Moyes, just more a case as you say of him wanting to hide away when the going gets tough

[Ent]

I don't think anyone has rejected him in an outright fashion. You wouldn't play badly on purpose or put in no effort as an player at the top of the game. That would be stupid.

I think he has been found wanting when it is tough. Others are disillusioned or low in confidence because of how the season has gone.

[Hero]

I missed the boat the other day Ent when you asked who I thought had not raised their game this season and needed looking at, my answer would have been Jones, Carrick, Rafael tbh. The likes of Valencia, Nani, Young etc simply just all need to go and peck about in a headless chicken yard.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Think that's a touch kind to some players. Players have hidden behind Moyes reputation and also self preservation fears

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