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AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Thought I'd start a thread for the final.
I hope it'll be a close game and as a neutral attending, a lot more interesting then the HC final.
Saracens: Goode; Ashton, Bosch, Barritt, Strettle; Farrell, De Kock; Barrington, Brits, Stevens; Borthwick (capt), Botha; Brown, Burger, B. Vunipola.
Replacements: George, Gill, Johnston, Haregreaves, Wray, Wigglesworth, Hodgson, Wyles.
Northampton Saints: Foden; K. Pisi, G. Pisi, Burrell, North; Myler, Fotuali'i; Corbisiero, Haywood, Ma'afu; Manoa, Lawes; Clark, Wood (capt), Dickinson.
Replacements: Hartley, Waller, Mercey, Day, Dowson, Dickson, Wilson, Stephenson.
Heart say's Saints to get their first ever AP title and the cup to get a new name on it, head say's Saracens will do enough to get a win after the let down on Saturday.
I hope it'll be a close game and as a neutral attending, a lot more interesting then the HC final.
Saracens: Goode; Ashton, Bosch, Barritt, Strettle; Farrell, De Kock; Barrington, Brits, Stevens; Borthwick (capt), Botha; Brown, Burger, B. Vunipola.
Replacements: George, Gill, Johnston, Haregreaves, Wray, Wigglesworth, Hodgson, Wyles.
Northampton Saints: Foden; K. Pisi, G. Pisi, Burrell, North; Myler, Fotuali'i; Corbisiero, Haywood, Ma'afu; Manoa, Lawes; Clark, Wood (capt), Dickinson.
Replacements: Hartley, Waller, Mercey, Day, Dowson, Dickson, Wilson, Stephenson.
Heart say's Saints to get their first ever AP title and the cup to get a new name on it, head say's Saracens will do enough to get a win after the let down on Saturday.
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yappysnap- Posts : 11993
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A little bit of humour from the Saints forum...
Saracens Marketing Meeting
Attending, Tom, Dick and Harry
Tom: OK boys, we have a big match coming up on Saturday and we need to come up with something very innovative to make our fans buy tickets and cheer the team on.
Harry: Rob, they have been buying tickets, we have nearly sold out our 8,000 allocation in 2 weeks.
Tom: Saints sold out their's in 8 hours. Some of our allocation has been going to an NN postcode.
Dick: Boys don't worry about that. Our fans were so positive we would be at Twickers, I bet they had already bought them from ticket master.
Tom: Good point Dick. Let's move on to how to get them to cheer the team on. Now, we don't have access to the tanoy, so that causes us a number of problems.
Harry: Problems Tom
Tom: Yes Harry. Think about it. On average we remind our fans to STAND UP FOR THE SARACENS every 3 minutes.
Dick: More than every 3 minutes Tom if there are a lot of breaks in play.
Tom: Quite right Dick. So what can we do?
Harry: Any chance of getting the fat lady back
Tom: She did the Atkins diet
Dick: What about giving out some bibs with the words Stand Up printed on them?
Harry: Like the tabards we did a few years ago
Dick: Yes, that's what I am thinking of.
Tom: I like it. Maybe we could offer fans their money back on their match ticket if they send a photo of them standing up next to Gavin in Twickenham.
Harry: Don't think the Saints have Gavin, I think he is still in Bath
Tom: Well maybe standing next to any one orange?
Dick: Do you think that is going too far?
Tom: You know what we say here Dick?
All : LOL You can never go too far, there is only one thing worse than being talked about. (que laughter) that's not being talked about. Ha ha
Tom: OK, done, I will get graphics onto the posters, web etc. Now it goes with out saying that we will give every fan 3 flags each. Did you order them Dick?
Dick: Yes I ordered 9,000.
Tom : Nice work Dick. Now what about getting the fans to sing and be vocal.
Harry: have to get them hammered again?
Tom: Naturally. Let's organise another gathering. I think we almost have a tradition of doing that when playing the Saints
Dick: What, you mean we have a tradition now?
Harry: Does that mean we are a proper Rugby Club now?
Tom: Boys, stop getting carried away. We don't need to have traditions or be proper.
Harry and Dick : why Tom?
Tom: Because we are SPECIAL
Harry and Dick: ahhhhhh
Tom: We need to wrap things up quickly now, as I have still got to order some coaches for Twickenham for the fans. We need a campaign hashtag. "Something Special" was a bit last year. Harry, what are you doing?
Harry: I am on the Saints web site. Thought as we nicked Ulsters promo vid this season, we could nick Saints hashtag.
Dick: Inspired, what is it?
Harry: It's Our Time
Tom: That's great, done. It's Our Time. I like it.
ALL: LOL You can never go too far, there is only one thing worse than being talked about. (Cue laughter) that's not being talked about. Ha ha
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Really that counts as humour?
Probably the funniest about that is that when Saracens first did the gathering vs Saints they beat them in their own backyard in the AP semi final.
Oh and technically yappysnap you should put the 1st vs 2nd - Saracens vs Saints. Always put the higher seed first.
Head says Saints will win unless Saracens actually make intelligent selections and decision making during the game.
Will re-assess when I have seen the two teams.
Oh and Maafu shouldn't be in the final. Just 1 week is a disgrace.
Probably the funniest about that is that when Saracens first did the gathering vs Saints they beat them in their own backyard in the AP semi final.
Oh and technically yappysnap you should put the 1st vs 2nd - Saracens vs Saints. Always put the higher seed first.
Head says Saints will win unless Saracens actually make intelligent selections and decision making during the game.
Will re-assess when I have seen the two teams.
Oh and Maafu shouldn't be in the final. Just 1 week is a disgrace.
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beshocked wrote:Really that counts as humour?
Probably the funniest about that is that when Saracens first did the gathering vs Saints they beat them in their own backyard in the AP semi final.
Oh and technically yappysnap you should put the 1st vs 2nd - Saracens vs Saints. Always put the higher seed first.
Head says Saints will win unless Saracens actually make intelligent selections and decision making during the game.
Will re-assess when I have seen the two teams.
Oh and Maafu shouldn't be in the final. Just 1 week is a disgrace.
It depends upon your point of view - but one thing was for sure, it was guarenteed to get you foaming at the mouth.... it's just a bit of light hearted fun, try not to appear so personally offended whenever anyone dares poke a little fun at the Saracens
Heart says Saints, East Midland rivals they might be, but its been a long time coming and it would be nice to see them pinch the title.
Head says... actually, I think Saints will do it. It would be a travesty if they did, but i'm guessing most rugby folk wouldn't mind....
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Jimpy anything that gets me foaming at the mouth (in your mind) obviously fills you with joy......
Hence why you say Saints to win too. To be honest I am not as bothered as you think - my faith in Saracens has been shaken in the last 2 weeks anyhow.
It smacks of double standards. I am sure if Saracens did an article taking the mickey out of the Saints marketing like that it would not be seen as light hearted fun.....
I am sorry I didn't find it funny - an Ulster spoof last year was funnier than that. Quite amusing actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBSFJglzmLk
Though Saracens of course had the last laugh.
I do feel a sense of injustice that Maafu will start in the final though.
Hence why you say Saints to win too. To be honest I am not as bothered as you think - my faith in Saracens has been shaken in the last 2 weeks anyhow.
It smacks of double standards. I am sure if Saracens did an article taking the mickey out of the Saints marketing like that it would not be seen as light hearted fun.....
I am sorry I didn't find it funny - an Ulster spoof last year was funnier than that. Quite amusing actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBSFJglzmLk
Though Saracens of course had the last laugh.
I do feel a sense of injustice that Maafu will start in the final though.
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beshocked wrote:Jimpy anything that gets me foaming at the mouth (in your mind) obviously fills you with joy......
Hence why you say Saints to win too. To be honest I am not as bothered as you think - my faith in Saracens has been shaken in the last 2 weeks anyhow.
It smacks of double standards. I am sure if Saracens did an article taking the mickey out of the Saints marketing like that it would not be seen as light hearted fun.....
I am sorry I didn't find it funny - an Ulster spoof last year was funnier than that. Quite amusing actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBSFJglzmLk
Though Saracens of course had the last laugh.
I do feel a sense of injustice that Maafu will start in the final though.
Rubbish, i've already stated on two different threads that it was concievable that Saracens could reach two finals and come away with nothing. And i happen to think its a definate possibility, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.
In case you hadn't noticed, Saracens aren't a universally popular team, banter comes with that. Nonetheless, i'm sure their board would be suitably grateful for your vociferous (yet usually unecessary) defence of their honour.
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Jimpy fair enough I guess.
I agree Saracens aren't universally popular. I don't expect them to be. Oh and I doubt they would be grateful but thanks for the sentiment nonetheless. Smacks of double standards - I am sure "banter" as you call it is allowed if it only flows in one direction.
I agree Saracens aren't universally popular. I don't expect them to be. Oh and I doubt they would be grateful but thanks for the sentiment nonetheless. Smacks of double standards - I am sure "banter" as you call it is allowed if it only flows in one direction.
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i am very excited to watch this. expect sarries will really feel like they have something to prove after last week.
as for banter, Sarries players dish it out in spades, SplAsh, Farrell's cheeky cheap shots etc. Both of which i actually quite like. But i can see why they rile some people up.
as for banter, Sarries players dish it out in spades, SplAsh, Farrell's cheeky cheap shots etc. Both of which i actually quite like. But i can see why they rile some people up.
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Well Saracens have been top all season near enough and they took a bit of a kicking last weekend, so i hope they win this one.
They deserve it.
I hope last week was a little kick up the backside and they play a bit more heads up intelligent rugby in the right places.
It will be a close game though.
They deserve it.
I hope last week was a little kick up the backside and they play a bit more heads up intelligent rugby in the right places.
It will be a close game though.
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Geordiefalcon the team who deserves it will be the team who wins but thanks nonetheless.
The reaction to Saturday will be interesting agreed.
Saracens played Saints last season directly after losing to Toulon and lost heavily to Saints - could happen again.
quinsforever agree. They need to rein in their antics though.
The reaction to Saturday will be interesting agreed.
Saracens played Saints last season directly after losing to Toulon and lost heavily to Saints - could happen again.
quinsforever agree. They need to rein in their antics though.
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Antics are antics...Farrell does little things...but the most part i too enjoy. He's just working the opposition.
However he cant be blamed for the Habana one. Id have binned Habana for that pathetic acrobatics when Farrell hit him.
I was actually disgusted with Habana! Rugby has no place for that!
However he cant be blamed for the Habana one. Id have binned Habana for that pathetic acrobatics when Farrell hit him.
I was actually disgusted with Habana! Rugby has no place for that!
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GeordieFalcon wrote:Well Saracens have been top all season near enough and they took a bit of a kicking last weekend, so i hope they win this one.
They deserve it.
I hope last week was a little kick up the backside and they play a bit more heads up intelligent rugby in the right places.
It will be a close game though.
The same thing happened to Glaws in the early days of the play-offs - busted a gut all season and finished 17 points clear at the top, only to be beaten in the play-offs. In fact, I think it happened twice under Ryan. Now, when that sort of thing happens to Glaws, it's funny... I can't help feeling that i'd be the same if Saints nicked it this year - although Saracens are the best team and do of course, deserve their title, there's just something about them that makes them an unfashionable side. Mind you, we watched Bath go off the boil towards the end of the season and Saracens have been wobbling of late too. Is this a bridge too far? They have to win this one, or serious questions will be asked - will the pressure of expectation weigh on them to the point that errors are again made?
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I want Neil and Charlie to start at 9 and 10.
Anyone know if Hartley will be fit for Saints?
Anyone know if Hartley will be fit for Saints?
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I do think Saints made the better start to the season though. Dropped points in a draw at Leicester we should have won, and a debatable decision at Gloucester before hammering them at the Gardens. Was only our standard coming back fromSix Nations struggles where they pulled away.GeordieFalcon wrote:Well Saracens have been top all season near enough.
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Saints will need to improve on their last game too. This is the deserved final as both sides have been a class apart from the rest of the Jeff this season. Sarries still have to be firm favourites given the players they have at their disposal and I can't imagine their backrow will be humbled twice in a row, despite how good Saints is.
I genuinely don't mind which side wins and I'm just looking forward to the 2 best teams going head to head.
I genuinely don't mind which side wins and I'm just looking forward to the 2 best teams going head to head.
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Hartley is up for selection apparently. http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/mallinder-facing-selection-dilemma-ahead-of-saracens-showdown-1-6081705beshocked wrote:I want Neil and Charlie to start at 9 and 10.
Anyone know if Hartley will be fit for Saints?
Not sure if the link works.
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HongKongCherry wrote:Saints will need to improve on their last game too. This is the deserved final as both sides have been a class apart from the rest of the Jeff this season. Sarries still have to be firm favourites given the players they have at their disposal and I can't imagine their backrow will be humbled twice in a row, despite how good Saints is.
I genuinely don't mind which side wins and I'm just looking forward to the 2 best teams going head to head.
Oooooh, I don't know about that. Saracens have definately been a class apart, but Saints? Not so sure. To be miles ahead of third place where they were (some were saying their home berth was a foregone conclusion this January) to 'pip' Tigers after a near disasterous run in to the play-offs, makes them good enough to be there, but hardly a 'class apart'.
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From a different PoV, I'd love it if Quins were competative enough that people felt the need to mock them. Just shows Sarries are putting the pressure on.
You don't see anyone mocking Falcons do you?
You don't see anyone mocking Falcons do you?
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Yappysnap you talk about being competitive - in terms of silverware you have more than Saracens.
Getting to two finals might make a team competitive but if it doesn't result in silverware it's not been a successful season.
Some of the criticism of Saracens is well warranted, some of it is not.
Getting to two finals might make a team competitive but if it doesn't result in silverware it's not been a successful season.
Some of the criticism of Saracens is well warranted, some of it is not.
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I would still put Saracens down as more successful though B.
There's only so many cups out there, but you're in the hunt for more then us usually.
There's only so many cups out there, but you're in the hunt for more then us usually.
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Jimpy, getting to 2 finals and finishing 2nd for my money puts Saints far ahead of all sides other than Sarries.
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HongKongCherry wrote:Jimpy, getting to 2 finals and finishing 2nd for my money puts Saints far ahead of all sides other than Sarries.
Were Glaws a class apart when they finished the regular season ahead by 17 points and lost in the play-offs?
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yappysnap wrote:From a different PoV, I'd love it if Quins were competative enough that people felt the need to mock them. Just shows Sarries are putting the pressure on.
You don't see anyone mocking Falcons do you?
Are you mocking us by saying we dont get mocked??? Eh...Eh?
Actually, we do take quite a bit of stick...one for generally being gash, but the main one is because of Deans history.
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Two primary problems against Toulon were of course the kicking and the breakdown.
Bold but I think Charlie and Wray should start instead of Farrell and Burger. The latter two seem to be suffering from fatigue/aren't properly match fit.
In comparison Charlie is relatively fresh and an experienced 10, Wray has been under the radar putting in a decent shift.
Now I don't expect Saracens to start either but it's what I would do.
Saints will target whoever we have at 10 - I expect Clark and Lawes to throw their weight around. Funnily enough I feel more confident that a fresh Hodgson would take the pain better than a physically and mentally battered Farrell.
Not talking about the Saints team because I think we all know what team they'll pick anyway.
Bold but I think Charlie and Wray should start instead of Farrell and Burger. The latter two seem to be suffering from fatigue/aren't properly match fit.
In comparison Charlie is relatively fresh and an experienced 10, Wray has been under the radar putting in a decent shift.
Now I don't expect Saracens to start either but it's what I would do.
Saints will target whoever we have at 10 - I expect Clark and Lawes to throw their weight around. Funnily enough I feel more confident that a fresh Hodgson would take the pain better than a physically and mentally battered Farrell.
Not talking about the Saints team because I think we all know what team they'll pick anyway.
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3HongKongCherry wrote:Jimpy, getting to 2 finals and finishing 2nd for my money puts Saints far ahead of all sides other than Sarries.
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I think Saints were (probably wrongly) sure of a top two place with 6 or so games to go when they looked at who they were to play. They seemed to ease off, played a lot more of the 2nd string players than normal, although injuries prompted some of that and only started to up the tempo again in Bath.
The last few games has seen them progress game by game, they have there tempo back, just need to apply it from the start now. The opposite of a year ago when they started 110% and phased out in the last 20, when JM brought on all the replacements.
I think and fervently hope, that they have enough to beat Sarries but not by much.
It will be interesting to see if they get North running at Ashton with his tackling reputation, or lack of it or maybe use him to hold back the back row when Farrell and Barritt try and force Myler inside. With Burrell one side and North the other it makes an interesting choice for the defence on who to target, if Barritt gets too narrow Myler is more than capable of putting Pisi through the gap.
The last few games has seen them progress game by game, they have there tempo back, just need to apply it from the start now. The opposite of a year ago when they started 110% and phased out in the last 20, when JM brought on all the replacements.
I think and fervently hope, that they have enough to beat Sarries but not by much.
It will be interesting to see if they get North running at Ashton with his tackling reputation, or lack of it or maybe use him to hold back the back row when Farrell and Barritt try and force Myler inside. With Burrell one side and North the other it makes an interesting choice for the defence on who to target, if Barritt gets too narrow Myler is more than capable of putting Pisi through the gap.
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Most of us agree that Saracens 'deserve' to win and so perhaps should do.
But it seems like quite a lot of us don't want them to. I mean, people find a dislike for Tigers but mainly because they've won so much and been very successful. People dislike Saracens but for other reasons....
But it seems like quite a lot of us don't want them to. I mean, people find a dislike for Tigers but mainly because they've won so much and been very successful. People dislike Saracens but for other reasons....
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Jimpy wrote:Most of us agree that Saracens 'deserve' to win and so perhaps should do.
But it seems like quite a lot of us don't want them to. I mean, people find a dislike for Tigers but mainly because they've won so much and been very successful. People dislike Saracens but for other reasons....
I think it had more to do with a certain section of their fans...
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HongKongCherry wrote:Jimpy wrote:Most of us agree that Saracens 'deserve' to win and so perhaps should do.
But it seems like quite a lot of us don't want them to. I mean, people find a dislike for Tigers but mainly because they've won so much and been very successful. People dislike Saracens but for other reasons....
I think it had more to do with a certain section of their fans...
Says a Shed Head!
Hello kettle, this is pot. Send colour state. Over.
I don't think Saracens fans do themselves many favours to be honest.
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I don't think Sarries 'deserve' to win. They certainly had the most points, but the goal of the regular season is to achieve a top 1 or 2 position. There is no advantage after that.Jimpy wrote:Most of us agree that Saracens 'deserve' to win and so perhaps should do.
I do agree Sarries did indeed seem the best team across the Marathon season, but here we are and all to play for. I wanrt to see a great match, but with Saints just that wee bit better.
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I don't think that Sarries fans are worse than any others, it's just that Saints fans are the Crème de la Crème and all others are just jealous.
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HongKongCherry wrote:Jimpy wrote:Most of us agree that Saracens 'deserve' to win and so perhaps should do.
But it seems like quite a lot of us don't want them to. I mean, people find a dislike for Tigers but mainly because they've won so much and been very successful. People dislike Saracens but for other reasons....
I think it had more to do with a certain section of their fans...
Both are more to do with their coaches, ex coaches and upper management... Except of course Ashton.
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WELL-PAST-IT wrote:I don't think that Sarries fans are worse than any others, it's just that Saints fans are the Crème de la Crème and all others are just jealous.
Aha, Northampton can only dream of attaining the dizzy heights Tigers have reached....
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Jimpy,
Aspire to emulate Tigers we do, as should every club. Tommorrow would be a good start followed by another double next year and we will be on our way.
The challenge for Tigers will then be to keep up, after all we are well ahead this year.
Aspire to emulate Tigers we do, as should every club. Tommorrow would be a good start followed by another double next year and we will be on our way.
The challenge for Tigers will then be to keep up, after all we are well ahead this year.
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WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Jimpy,
Aspire to emulate Tigers we do, as should every club. Tommorrow would be a good start followed by another double next year and we will be on our way.
The challenge for Tigers will then be to keep up, after all we are well ahead this year.
Hopefully the Signings tigers have made will have added that extra depth needed to put you where you rightly belong (3rd/4th max)
I think Sarries will win anyway.
Just have a feeling, and 60% of the time I'm right every time.
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Welly wrote:WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Jimpy,
Aspire to emulate Tigers we do, as should every club. Tommorrow would be a good start followed by another double next year and we will be on our way.
The challenge for Tigers will then be to keep up, after all we are well ahead this year.
Hopefully the Signings tigers have made will have added that extra depth needed to put you where you rightly belong (3rd/4th max)
I think Sarries will win anyway.
Just have a feeling, and 60% of the time I'm right every time.
I think we were in our rightful place for the first half of the season, Tigers seemed to be asleep, hibernating even.
We have broken the hoodoo now and with the strength in depth coming through our accademy, Stephenson, Collins etc. we are well set for the next few years.
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Tigers were not hibernating but injury and battered.
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Saints had there fair share of injuries as well, Corbs, Hartley, Day, Lawes, Dickinson, Wood, Dickson, Myler, Foden have all been out for substained periods this season.
It is Saints squad, which is full of talented but largely little known players that have stepped up to the mark which has got them through.
Players like the Waller brothers, hardly heard of before this year, Tom Collins, James Craig, Will Hooley, Ross McMillan, Tom Stephenson, all have stepped up and performed at top premiership levels when required.
I don't think Tigers have, at the moment anyway that depth in their squad and as a result when injuries come along........
It is Saints squad, which is full of talented but largely little known players that have stepped up to the mark which has got them through.
Players like the Waller brothers, hardly heard of before this year, Tom Collins, James Craig, Will Hooley, Ross McMillan, Tom Stephenson, all have stepped up and performed at top premiership levels when required.
I don't think Tigers have, at the moment anyway that depth in their squad and as a result when injuries come along........
WELL-PAST-IT- Posts : 3744
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Every team suffers from injuries/absentees. Just some clubs mention it more than others.
Still think like any team Saints rely heavily on certain players like Myler and Hartley.
Still think like any team Saints rely heavily on certain players like Myler and Hartley.
beshocked- Posts : 14849
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Won a final last week without Hartley and he isn't starting this week. We shall see.
Scottrf- Posts : 14359
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Saints had there fair share of injuries as well, Corbs, Hartley, Day, Lawes, Dickinson, Wood, Dickson, Myler, Foden have all been out for substained periods this season.
It is Saints squad, which is full of talented but largely little known players that have stepped up to the mark which has got them through.
Players like the Waller brothers, hardly heard of before this year, Tom Collins, James Craig, Will Hooley, Ross McMillan, Tom Stephenson, all have stepped up and performed at top premiership levels when required.
I don't think Tigers have, at the moment anyway that depth in their squad and as a result when injuries come along........
We had out for long periods of the season missing at different times.
Ayerza, Mulipola, Youngs, Hawkins, Cole, Parling Kitchener, Croft, Mafi, Flood, Allen, Bowden, Manu, Benjamin, Camacho, Morris, Tait and goneva (for 6 weeks).
Could have a decent team out of that lot Ayerza, Youngs, Cole, Parling, Kitchener, Croft, Mafi, Mulipola (played 8 at club before tigs) Bowden, Flood, Benjamin. Allen, Manu, goneva, Tait.
We have depth but that depth goes when you miss a chunk of players like it is hard.
As said the new signing are versatile enough to cover a lot of areas and Players like Scully and Gibson prove vital signings. and we still got to the HC 1/4 unlike Saints.
Welly- Posts : 4264
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
You had a bit of an easier group, and didn't finish top anyway.Welly wrote:As said the new signing are versatile enough to cover a lot of areas and Players like Scully and Gibson prove vital signings. and we still got to the HC 1/4 unlike Saints.
But this isn't about Leicester. It's about the Premiership final.
Scottrf- Posts : 14359
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
To be honest I think that outside of England Leicester and Saints are admired.
The thing is Cockerill on the one hand and Hartley + Clark on the other make it difficult.
Both have great supporters whose company I have enjoyed
As to game it is going to be tight very tight.
The state of the Saracens bodies after that encounter will be key.
The thing is Cockerill on the one hand and Hartley + Clark on the other make it difficult.
Both have great supporters whose company I have enjoyed
As to game it is going to be tight very tight.
The state of the Saracens bodies after that encounter will be key.
geoff998rugby- Posts : 5249
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Saints had there fair share of injuries as well, Corbs, Hartley, Day, Lawes, Dickinson, Wood, Dickson, Myler, Foden have all been out for substained periods this season.
It is Saints squad, which is full of talented but largely little known players that have stepped up to the mark which has got them through.
Players like the Waller brothers, hardly heard of before this year, Tom Collins, James Craig, Will Hooley, Ross McMillan, Tom Stephenson, all have stepped up and performed at top premiership levels when required.
I don't think Tigers have, at the moment anyway that depth in their squad and as a result when injuries come along........
I think we ended the season having starts around 15 different centre combinations due to the amount of injuries.
nathan- Posts : 11033
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Weighing in on the injury issue
The following have been missing from the Saracens lineup throughout the season due to injury- Goode,Hodgson,Barritt,Taylor,Tomkins,Bosch,Burger,Vunipola x 2,Joubert,Kruis,Farrell (has had a problem with his foot for the last few weeks),Hargreaves,Gill,Botha,Fraser.
Every club has injury issues.
The following have been missing from the Saracens lineup throughout the season due to injury- Goode,Hodgson,Barritt,Taylor,Tomkins,Bosch,Burger,Vunipola x 2,Joubert,Kruis,Farrell (has had a problem with his foot for the last few weeks),Hargreaves,Gill,Botha,Fraser.
Every club has injury issues.
beshocked- Posts : 14849
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Teams up
Saracens: Goode; Ashton, Bosch, Barritt, Strettle; Farrell, De Kock; Barrington, Brits, Stevens; Borthwick (capt), Botha; Brown, Burger, B. Vunipola.
Replacements: George, Gill, Johnston, Haregreaves, Wray, Wigglesworth, Hodgson, Wyles.
Northampton Saints: Foden; K. Pisi, G. Pisi, Burrell, North; Myler, Fotuali'i; Corbisiero, Haywood, Ma'afu; Manoa, Lawes; Clark, Wood (capt), Dickinson.
Replacements: Hartley, Waller, Mercey, Day, Dowson, Dickson, Wilson, Stephenson.
Going with Sarries by 5
Saracens: Goode; Ashton, Bosch, Barritt, Strettle; Farrell, De Kock; Barrington, Brits, Stevens; Borthwick (capt), Botha; Brown, Burger, B. Vunipola.
Replacements: George, Gill, Johnston, Haregreaves, Wray, Wigglesworth, Hodgson, Wyles.
Northampton Saints: Foden; K. Pisi, G. Pisi, Burrell, North; Myler, Fotuali'i; Corbisiero, Haywood, Ma'afu; Manoa, Lawes; Clark, Wood (capt), Dickinson.
Replacements: Hartley, Waller, Mercey, Day, Dowson, Dickson, Wilson, Stephenson.
Going with Sarries by 5
Welly- Posts : 4264
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
And international call up issues for the AIs and 6N, between Saints, Sarries and Tigers, only Quins have a significant contribution.
WELL-PAST-IT- Posts : 3744
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Disappointed JM has gone with Kahn Fotuali'i to start, Lee Dickson adds more pace to the game and we need to blast off from the start and not play catch up like the last two games
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Surpised Fotuali'i is starting TBH aganinst leaicester he was like an extra man thought Dickson would suit this game better.
In a team mixed up of the 2 I would go for
1) Corbisiero
2) Brits
3) Stevens (been impressed recently)
4) Monoa
5) Lawes
6) Brown
7) Burger (if on form)
8) Vunipola
9) De Kock
10) Farrell
11) North
12) Burrell
13) Bosch
14) Ashton
15) Foden
16) Hartley
17) Waller
18) Johnston
19) Day
20) Wray
21) Dickson
22) Hodgson
23) Wyles (going for experience)
In a team mixed up of the 2 I would go for
1) Corbisiero
2) Brits
3) Stevens (been impressed recently)
4) Monoa
5) Lawes
6) Brown
7) Burger (if on form)
8) Vunipola
9) De Kock
10) Farrell
11) North
12) Burrell
13) Bosch
14) Ashton
15) Foden
16) Hartley
17) Waller
18) Johnston
19) Day
20) Wray
21) Dickson
22) Hodgson
23) Wyles (going for experience)
Welly- Posts : 4264
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Re: AP Final Northampton Saints v Saracens
Nice team barring the fact you left out Wood.
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