French Open discussion thread

by Danny_1982 Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:31 am

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Born Slippy wrote:Murray is surely going to go all out attack in the SF. I can't see him beating Nadal who is starting to look close to his peak form. However, if he can give him a tough match that will be very encouraging for Wimbledon.

Yep, it'll be all guns blazing I imagine. Going after every return he can and trying to end points quickly. It'll be fun to watch, but if you offered me a 4 set defeat for Muzza now I'd bite your hand off.

by HM Murdock Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:36 pm

Andy at 50% first serves in.

No chance on that kind of number.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:37 pm

Monfils or Fognini should be there instead of Murray atleast they would stop "rolling" the returns in so amateurishly Rolling Eyes

by andyi Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:38 pm

Murray now 299/1 on betfair!

by Danny_1982 Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:39 pm

Agreed Craig, I don't understand the strategy. He has been really tame on the return, completely different how he's been the whole fortnight.

He's been far too patient, and in spite of some safe play has made loads of unforced. Yes this is clay, and Rafa... And ideal conditions for Rafa, but I expected Murray to lose with guns blazing. Not with his backside against the back fence, as Lendl used to say.

Still, great two weeks which can't be forgotten.

by CaledonianCraig Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:40 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Monfils or Fognini should be there instead of Murray atleast they would stop "rolling" the returns in so amateurishly

Err no. They had their chance like 124 other players and they blew it.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:40 pm

Whats the forecast come sunday? If its this hot and Nadals this good...

by HM Murdock Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:41 pm

Total points won:

Nadal: 68
Murray: 36

A poor effort from Andy but, objectively, if he's not going to win, it may as well be over and done with quickly. He doesn't need carnage on clay a couple of weeks before his grass season starts.

by Jahu Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:42 pm

Dont bother Andy. Save your back for W. Nadal needs to save energy for Djoko.

by andyi Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:42 pm

HM Murdoch wrote:Total points won:

Nadal: 68
Murray: 36

A poor effort from Andy but, objectively, he's not going to win, it may as well be over and done with quickly. He doesn't need carnage on clay a couple of weeks before his grass season starts.

Fixed

by slashermcguirk Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:43 pm

This is a frightening level of tennis that nadal is playing today, one of the most complete performances I have ever seen. No shame in Murray losing to nadal in this form

by CaledonianCraig Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:44 pm

Murray has been poor today but lets not lose fact of how superb Rafa has been. He has been totally different class and is showing why he is the greatest clay-courter of all-time.

Murray will kick himself afterwards as he'll know he could have done better but a semi at RG for him after returning from back surgery a few months ago is not a bad return at all.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:44 pm

Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend.. Laugh

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:46 pm

The guy with worst forehand in the top 10 hits a FH winner Erm

by andyi Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:47 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:49 pm

This is scary good by Nadal, Im surprised Murrays got 6 games to be frank, he carries this form to the final, its gonna be an AMAZING ending to the tourny

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:49 pm

andyi wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.

Sounding like the biased UK media with those views.

by CaledonianCraig Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:49 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

No disgrace when you consider Rafa is the greatest clay-courter of all-time and on this form Novak hasn't got a prayer either on Sunday. Another slam win in the bag? A very good chance. A step closer to Federer's total slam wins.

by Danny_1982 Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:49 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

A returning legend still has to return well. This might be the worst I've ever seen him return. That's poor execution though, not favours.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:49 pm

No shame for muzz, great 2 weeks work, blown to bit by Rafa on clay... no biggie get ready for grass

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:50 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

No disgrace when you consider Rafa is the greatest clay-courter of all-time and on this form Novak hasn't got a prayer either on Sunday. Another slam win in the bag? A very good chance. A step closer to Federer's total slam wins.

Don't write off Novak...

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:51 pm

Again is the weather this hot on Sunday? Novak will want some rain fr sure

by **laverfan** Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:51 pm

Despite all the talk from Murray, this has completely fizzled. His expression conveys it all.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:52 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
andyi wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.
Sounding like the biased UK media with those views.

Ah, so Nadal isn't the Clay GOAT? Or he isn't playing well? 83% first serves in too...

by **laverfan** Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:52 pm

At least Ferrer got a set off Nadal.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:52 pm

Danny_1982 wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

A returning legend still has to return well. This might be the worst I've ever seen him return. That's poor execution though, not favours.

Well said Danny just don't let Craig hear you say that. Andy has helped Nadal look good with his crap play.

by Danny_1982 Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:53 pm

falzy21 wrote:Again is the weather this hot on Sunday? Novak will want some rain fr sure

27 degrees is forecast. But rain is also forecast.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:53 pm

falzy21 wrote:Again is the weather this hot on Sunday? Novak will want some rain fr sure

Regrettably the forecast looks like some rain

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:54 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:
andyi wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.
Sounding like the biased UK media with those views.

Ah, so Nadal isn't the Clay GOAT? Or he isn't playing well? 83% first serves in too...

By not saying the truth about how bad Murray has played here. It's like Juan Monaco levels of play from him this match Laugh

by andyi Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:54 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
andyi wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.
Sounding like the biased UK media with those views.

Nah, the biased UK media will say how well he played or how unlucky he was.

Truth is, he's got battered.

So would anyone else with Rafa in this form though.

by **laverfan** Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:54 pm

Well done, Nadal. clap

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:54 pm

Nadal isn't as good as 12 months ago or 2 years ago... Novak will eat him ALIVE.

by skyeman Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:55 pm

Did not expect it to be such a complete thrashing.

by Guest Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:55 pm

Done deal, destruction... soo Novak, ready to play the greatest match of your life for the Win?

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:55 pm

Does anyone really think Novak will return as crap as Andy did? Have as bad a forehand? Hahaha.

by CaledonianCraig Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:56 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
Danny_1982 wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

A returning legend still has to return well. This might be the worst I've ever seen him return. That's poor execution though, not favours.
Well said Danny just don't let Craig hear you say that. Andy has helped Nadal look good with his crap play.

You don't pay attention do you? Where have I said Andy played remotely well. I have said in multiple posts in different ways how poor he has been. I accept that. Can you accept that Rafa is the greatest clay-courter of all-time and was awesome today? That was how we got a scoreline like we did.

by skyeman Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:56 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Nadal isn't as good as 12 months ago or 2 years ago... Novak will eat him ALIVE.

Can't see it, but i bloody hope so. Come on Dok.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:56 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:
andyi wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

It's nothing to do with Murray.

TBF, hes been completely dismantled by the best clay court player who ever lived. He's a spectator.
Sounding like the biased UK media with those views.

Ah, so Nadal isn't the Clay GOAT? Or he isn't playing well? 83% first serves in too...
By not saying the truth about how bad Murray has played here. It's like Juan Monaco levels of play from him this match

He wasn't in it mentally. And once he was a set down, it was over. But even Ferrer admitted that once Nadal was in, he gave up completely

by Jahu Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:57 pm

Nadal looking leathal or maybe Andy made him look like that.

Hope he does not embarras us on Sunday and send Djoko crying out Fingers Crossed

by Jeremy_Kyle Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:57 pm

I really thought Murray could do more ....., but here is the good news; Hawkeye has left the forum and there won't be several articles on this.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:57 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Nadal isn't as good as 12 months ago or 2 years ago... Novak will eat him ALIVE.

I bet you that whoever the winner, it goes to 5...

If it's this sunny and Rafa plays this well, he will win. However, neither of those things is given

by skyeman Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:58 pm

Right, now for the green stuff Very Happy

by Danny_1982 Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:59 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
Danny_1982 wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Andy letting his best friend go through nice n safe. Not even ONE break point from this returning legend..

A returning legend still has to return well. This might be the worst I've ever seen him return. That's poor execution though, not favours.
Well said Danny just don't let Craig hear you say that. Andy has helped Nadal look good with his crap play.

Well Craig is also right that it's no disgrace to lose to Rafa on this court. Even if he'd executed perfectly it is unlikely to have made it particularly close. Not here, on a hot day, with Rafa playing like that.

And semis is a great result for Murray at this tournament. Now onto the green grass of home.

by kemet Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:00 pm

►Muy bien esfuerzo con el frances por El Rey de Arcilla.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:00 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Nadal isn't as good as 12 months ago or 2 years ago... Novak will eat him ALIVE.

I bet you that whoever the winner, it goes to 5...

If it's this sunny and Rafa plays this well, he will win. However, neither of those things is given

Novak gets consistent length on returns doesn't have a very weak 2nd serve like Murray, he doesn't give up like Ferrer either.

Much better movement too, should've won RG last year.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:01 pm

Can I also just say Rafa is playing much better than last year's FO. People seem to forget how relatively poor he was for much of that one

by andyi Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:01 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Does anyone really think Novak will return as crap as Andy did? Have as bad a forehand? Hahaha.

No but then no-one bar you thinks Rafa will get eaten alive at a tournament he's got a 65/1 record in either ffs!

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:03 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:Nadal isn't as good as 12 months ago or 2 years ago... Novak will eat him ALIVE.

I bet you that whoever the winner, it goes to 5...

If it's this sunny and Rafa plays this well, he will win. However, neither of those things is given
Novak gets consistent length on returns doesn't have a very weak 2nd serve like Murray, he doesn't give up like Ferrer either.

Much better movement too, should've won RG last year.

And yet, he didn't. Nor the time before.

We all know it will be close, and that Novak can win, but eat him alive? Here? I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, doesn't give up like Ferrer?! Laugh

by kemet Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:03 pm

It really is a credit to Djokovic that he is the only player who stands a chance against Rafa on clay, even on the Spaniard's best day.

With that said, Rafa is going to win title number nine on Sunday. It will certainly be very competitive, but Rafa is virtually impregnable on the red clay of Roland Garros

by DirectView Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:05 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Does anyone really think Novak will return as crap as Andy did? Have as bad a forehand? Hahaha.

It just doesn't end there, crappy serving, lack of game play, not playing to his strengths, Andy just wanted to go home and I guess he wanted to do that last week itself but was forced to stay for 2 more matches.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:05 pm

Even if Nadal serves as well as he was today Djokovic will still grind out some breaks of serve, he is not Murray.

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