Warren Card In Trouble

Looks like the Jul 26 Fury-Chisora bill has ran into a spot of bother.

Nav Mansouri had withdrawn from his British title fight with Liam Smith, Gary Sykes has postponed his bout with Liam Walsh and Derry Mathews may have to pull out of his match with Terry Flanagan.

As precisely no-one gives a flying f**k about Fury/Chisora, I'm sure no-one will notice that no-one's turning up.

Warren is in a desperate state dno if anyone saw his interview with IFL earlier this week(with his famous pieces of paper) making all sorts of assertions about Eddie Hearn

Every time I see Warren interviewed these days (usually by Kugan Cassias) he spends the first half of the interview claiming he's not finished and bemoaning the recession, and the second half waving sheets of paper around and spending inordinate amounts of time sifting through them to try and find something that might discredit Eddie Hearn. He's losing the plot, if the Chisora Fury card goes belly up then he might (finally) be finished, which would be bad for British boxing as MatchRoom need healthy competition. Unless of course you subscribe to the theory that one main promotor means no 'cold war' effect and the best fights are much more likely to get made.

It is troubling to watch Warren these days. He seems so bitter and out of touch. This Fury v Chis card feels like a desperate last stab. I mean, who wants this fight really? I will watch it, but who was crying out for it? His Hearn hate is unreal, too.

Well i do find it sad to watch him these days, he seems so off the pace its unreal, his domestic stable is very thin

The thing is it wasn't so long ago that Frank was top dog, putting on shows such as the Magnificent Seven etc. Now he has to watch a younger guy who's been in the game 3 years swanning around in his fancy suits, glad handing with Sky, GoldenBoy etc, putting on an 80k capacity show on PPV and making money hand over fist. It must be hard for Warren to take, and no matter how much he says it doesn't bother him he just cannot hide his bitterness in his interviews.

I agree with you, it may seem a bit over the top but i worry for frank's health evertime he mentions hearn he seems incredibly stressed and bitter, eddie when he answered warren seemed his cocky self which will have riled warren even more

Is hard to feel too much sympathy for him. Frank was where Eddie is now for a good number of years, he was promoter of choice for Sky for a good number of years. Is not Eddie's fault that during those years he chose to give us Enzo Mac vs Bobby Gunn and Calzaghe vs Rick Thornberry.

Seems to me Frank has his own views on how promoting should be done, seems to me he does not want to put his fighters in fights that are any less than 65-35 affairs and seems almost pathologically opposed to conceding home advantage. Am not going to particularly criticise that approach as he has survived 30 odd years doing it, however if the major TV company decides that such an approach is no longer how they want to do things you either adjust or accept your days are numbered with them. Seems Frank chose the latter. Getting wound up that Eddie has grasped the opportunity with both hands just makes you look bitter and small.

Have people watched the full Frank Warren iFilmLondon interview?

His points are reasoned and he is no more biased towards his organization than Matchroom are towards theirs.

Warren makes some excellent points about promoting and certainly puts up a credible alternative view to the way Matchroom promote their fighters.  Frank wouldn't have entertained doing an interview like this years ago but given the current predicament he is now in he has to.  It's good to hear how the other side think about the wave of dominance Matchroom have.  Nothing is ever one way traffic.  

Here's a link to the interview:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l4QcswOVrVw



Interesting that Warren said he was told by Sky three years ago that there would be no PPV fights for 18 months to 2 years after a couple of poor fights on PPV  burned general sky subscribers.

I wonder how many 50/50 fights Matchroom cards throw up?

Strongy do you work for/are related/bessie mate with Frank Warren?

I'm only asking because you constantly whine about Hearn as if he's the anti-christ and I truly believe if he found a way to end World Hunger, it would only be so he could put on a Ricky Burns vs Wlad bout in which he'd abandon Burns halfway through and burn his house down

Derbymanc wrote:Strongy do you work for/are related/bessie mate with Frank Warren?

I'm only asking because you constantly whine about Hearn as if he's the anti-christ and I truly believe if he found a way to end World Hunger, it would only be so he could put on a Ricky Burns vs Wlad bout in which he'd abandon Burns halfway through and burn his house down

Do you actually read the points I make or just trot along with the rest of the sheep.


Eddie Hearn is a young guy with a good tan, a well fitting suit and a good line in bullsh!t. He's also a dab hand on the old computer.

All he needs is a TV channel to go global with his cult.

The guy has no boxing background, I wonder who pulls his strings?


Watch the Warren interview to actually see a dyed in the wool boxing promoter speak from a position of experience.

If you want to see a true reflection of Matchroom's attitudes strip all the bells and whistles away from "PR Eddie" and simply just watch a Barry Hearn interview.

What Warren hasn't realized, or probably has but hasn't reacted quickly enough to, is that the kids that are starting to watch boxing see a dinosaur when they look at old Frank. Warren didn't spawn a son with the ability to look as good as Eddie or trot out the second hand car sales man lines with such aplomb. Warren has a good platform in BoxNation but has to dream it all up again when it comes to marketing his company.

Strongy i have watched the interview before a few days ago, the interview actually highlights everything that is wrong with Frank's approch to promoting these days, times have changed and he hasnt adapted. I am not an eddie hearn fan particularly but i prefer what he has done rather then the warren approach of makimg your fight wait for 30 odd fights sometimes more before chucking the fighter in with a semi dangerous opponent

wheelchair1991 wrote:Strongy i have watched the interview before a few days ago, the interview actually highlights everything that is wrong with Frank's approch to promoting these days, times have changed and he hasnt adapted. I am not an eddie hearn fan particularly but i prefer what he has done rather then the warren approach of makimg your fight wait for 30 odd fights sometimes more before chucking the fighter in with a semi dangerous opponent

What is Hearn doing? Look at the fights, look at the cards in the cold light of day. Nothing special.

Froch v Groves 1 was supposed to be a stay busy fight. Look at what transpired. A promoter doesn't write that script.

Strongy you didnt really answer any of my points apart from your normal spewing about Hearn, this obsession you have is not healthy, some of the cards hearn has put on havent been good i think he would admit that himself but Warren over the years has been far worse. Im not saying either of them is perfect or the devil incarnate but i just prefer Hearn's approach

It would need a hell of an undercard to get me interested in watching these two puddings cuddle each other.

Well there wont be an undercard at this rate

wheelchair1991 wrote:Strongy i have watched the interview before a few days ago, the interview actually highlights everything that is wrong with Frank's approch to promoting these days, times have changed and he hasnt adapted. I am not an eddie hearn fan particularly but i prefer what he has done rather then the warren approach of makimg your fight wait for 30 odd fights sometimes more before chucking the fighter in with a semi dangerous opponent

I didn't see that much wrong with Warren's attitude to promoting. It's the tried and test principles that have been used since time immemorial i.e. build a fighter from scratch that can make money over a decent period of time. Warren does have problems when it comes to PR and marketing as he is well behind Matchroom in this regard.

Matchroom's view on promoting is different as could be seen when Barry Hearn took over snooker. He saw it as being less about the players and more about marketing the sport hence the grueling schedule he put the players through leading to Stephen Hendry retiring and Ronnie ignoring the tour and playing when it suited him. Only Ronnie would have got away with that.

Matchroom have the same approach to boxing, the fighters really are commodities, Barry Hearn has become more and more ruthless as the years have gone on. Make him money and you get showered with gifts, a mediocre fighter will be fed to the highest bidder. It's all about Matchroom, the marketing potential and ultimately the money of course. A Matchroom fighter who is not making them money is little more than a pawn to be used and discarded for a few quid. Some fighters don't sign with Matchroom for this very reason, a fighter like Derry Matthews decided to go with Warren.

Did Brian Rose deserve to take a real beating for $100,000 minus management/trainer fees and expenses. I don't believe so.

Is it better to see a fighter in a 50/50 fight for $50,000 than a 20/80 for $100,000. As Warren said in the interview John Ryder got 15,000 more than Rose for fighting Billy Joe Saunders in a domestic fight.

Well if Frank Warren said it then it must be true! You're in no position to know the fees or stipulations of the terms of contract for either fighter. Ryder may have got slightly more money but is tied to obligations as part of that for instance. I'm not saying that is the case but you're taking Frank Warren at his word, you're braver than most.

You also state the Eddie has no previous in promotional work despite the fact his dad has groomed him from a young age to be in this position. Very similar to the Sauerland brothers in Germany who seem to be doing good work over there and have deals with the right broadcasters.

If Frank can't market himself then hire a marketing specialist, simples.

Hendry didn't retire because of the schedule either. He lost his match but got a 147 and in someway wanted to go out on a high. He was also in his 40's and had achieved everything there is to achieve in the game. All players can choose what competitions they play in too, Ronnie chose to play less and concentrate on bigger competitions.

Pedro147 wrote:Well if Frank Warren said it then it must be true! You're in no position to know the fees or stipulations of the terms of contract for either fighter. Ryder may have got slightly more money but is tied to obligations as part of that for instance. I'm not saying that is the case but you're taking Frank Warren at his word, you're braver than most.

You also state the Eddie has no previous in promotional work despite the fact his dad has groomed him from a young age to be in this position. Very similar to the Sauerland brothers in Germany who seem to be doing good work over there and have deals with the right broadcasters.

If Frank can't market himself then hire a marketing specialist, simples.

Hendry didn't retire because of the schedule either. He lost his match but got a 147 and in someway wanted to go out on a high. He was also in his 40's and had achieved everything there is to achieve in the game. All players can choose what competitions they play in too, Ronnie chose to play less and concentrate on bigger competitions.

Would you like to take the opportunity to edit your post or just go for a complete rewrite as it is strewn with errors and misreprentations on what I have written.

So...Ricky Burns eh?

As I have said before if you want to see what Matchroom are like without the bells and whistle just read a Barry Hearn interview.

As can be seen from the article below there are very much two views on Matchroom:


Darts and snooker overlord Barry Hearn remains the 'benevolent despot' with an eye for profit


On Monday evening, at the final of the World Darts Championship at Alexandra Palace in north London, Barry Hearn will take a walk around the arena and survey his empire.

Like all empires, it has taken time and toil to build, and has not been without its victims. But like any other empire, it is a manifestation of a dominant, singular vision. And ever since 2001, when sports promoter Hearn took control of the Professional Darts Corporation, that vision has been his.

Few figures in sport polarise opinion like Hearn. For some, the idea of loud music, glamour and TV-friendly ‘sportertainment’ that he imposed on darts, and is now in the process of bringing to snooker, is an exercise in implanting pound signs where once there stood a soul.

Yet others pay tribute to him as a tireless sporting innovator, as a pioneer who understands people and gives them what they want. It will not surprise you to learn that Hearn places himself in the latter category.
Matchroom Sport, the business Hearn created, encompasses a dozen sports, from darts to boxing, from snooker to fishing. It is run from a large, secluded manor house — Hearn’s former home — in Essex, where we are speaking now.

It is from here that Hearn surveys the fruits of his labour and dreams up his next wheeze. But it is his achievements in darts that are most impressive of all.

In the last decade darts has evolved into one of the most popular sports in Britain. It comes second only to football in terms of satellite television viewing figures, and prize money for these world championships stands at a record £1million, and poised to keep rising. More than that, the perception of the sport has shifted dramatically.

“The average idea of darts players used to be a fat bloke smoking a cigarette drinking a pint of lager,” Hearn says. “But the new kids coming through are ex-footballers. They’re sportsmen. They’ve smelt the money. My VIP guest list is top bankers, royalty, superstars from other sports. Darts is becoming classless now.”
But the success of the PDC has come at a price. It was formed as a result of a cataclysmic schism in the game, one which still causes acrimony today.

Hearn’s success with the breakaway PDC franchise has marginalised the rival British Darts Organisation body, the sport’s original custodians. Far from building bridges with the BDO, he has fuelled the acrimony.
“The BDO run the amateur game, and they run it very poorly,” he says. “It’s like comparing the Premier League with the Conference. There’s a huge gulf in the standard of performance. The danger is that people will watch the BDO on the BBC and think that’s darts. It’s not.”

Two years ago he bullishly offered to buy out the BDO for £1 million. It was only a semi-serious offer, but it was a stunt that epitomised the man’s character. Hearn relishes a fight, but even more than that, he relishes a headline.

Whether promoting his sports or promoting himself, Hearn is never scared to court opposition. With the BDO version of the world championship starting at the weekend, Hearn is determined to cast his shadow over it.
“There’s a dozen players in the BDO who could do very well in the PDC if they have the appetite to be a professional player,” he says. “If they want to be a pub player, that’s their choice.” And so to snooker, the next front in Hearn’s expansionist strategy.

Eighteen months ago, he took control of snooker, promising to swell the coffers of a sport that had been in decline ever since its Eighties heyday. He met with equal parts enthusiasm and outrage.
Players were as horrified at the newer, shorter formats — matches were cut to as little as best of five frames at some tournaments — as they were pleasantly surprised at the increase in prize money. And yet, there was little they could do either way. They had signed over their powers to Hearn.

At the UK Championship last month, finalist Mark Allen launched an extraordinary diatribe at the chairman of his sport. “The whole tradition of the game is going to pot,” he claimed, adding that Hearn’s only motivation was “making money for himself”.

Meanwhile, Ali Carter, another player, said recently: “At the end of the day we haven’t really got a say in it because we sold the game to Barry, and he can do what he wants.”

How does Hearn deal with dissenters? “Usually I ignore them,” he says. “It’s going to be done my way, that’s for sure. I don’t see the point of ownership if it’s not. If anybody doesn’t agree with me, I’ll try and educate them. My reputation is one of a benevolent despot. I’m not good to disagree with.”

He has never disguised his distrust of traditionalists and amateur governing bodies. “The purists will always want to see tennis over five sets, they’ll always want to see snooker over 101 frames,” Hearn replies.
“But they’re in such a small minority. I have to cater for the majority. The problem with Ali Carter is he’s not winning enough games. He’s looking for reasons why, instead of looking in the mirror.”

Hearn’s approach is to answer the wringing of hands with the ringing of tills. “You need aspiration,” he says. “You need the lifestyle. I need Judd Trump getting out of a Ferrari. I need him arriving in Monaco on his yacht, because it gets all the kids in the world wanting that lifestyle.

"Snooker can be as big as golf. But you have to be innovative. You have to give value for money. And we stopped giving value for money. Snooker was moribund. It was in danger of dying completely.”

Many will never be convinced of Hearn’s virtue. But he judges his own worth not by cups, trophies or acclaim, but by the balance sheet he produces at the end of the year. He cares not at all whether you like him or loathe him. “I’m the best in the world at what I do, in my opinion,” he says.

“Which,” he adds with a roguish smile, “is the only opinion I actually value.”




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/darts/8987433/Darts-and-snooker-overlord-Barry-Hearn-remains-the-benevolent-despot-with-an-eye-for-profit.html

Snooker can be as big as golf? Is this true? Always thought the fact that it's essentially a bar game, limited its "potential"...

Raf, you live in a warm country with an outdoor culture. We Brits live in a wet, cold, miserable country and so spend our lives in bars getting drunk playing darts and snooker. Actually most of us play pool because its much easier and more pub friendly.

Hope that's cleared it up for you

Cheers Milky.

For snooker to be anywhere near as big as golf Hearn would have to capture the Chinese market, which is what he has been trying to do with his reforms, as golf is huge internationally and has the American market.

Is the warren card in trouble? On that ifilm interview he says he's got 17 fights on the card. Sounds like he needed to shed a few fights, or start the card in the A.M.

Warren always speaks sense in his interviews. He comes across as a caring cuddly like promoter, who only has fans and fighters best interests at heart. Why joe and Ricky sued him I'd never know, seems crazy that someone (not terry marsh) shot him. Fold his company rather than pay winnings, make his wbo champions fight TBA after TBA ad nauseam. Could Frank tell porky pies? Doubt it.

All promoters tell lies. We can only judge if the fighter has been matched appropriately and is being given a chance to have a career and earnings at a level in the same ballpark as his ability/potential.

I agree that Hearn doesn't always have all of his fighters best interests at heart. The rose fight being a perfect example. Hearn is looking out for himself, he's got a huge stable, throwing a few sacrificial lambs over to the states to cosy up to top rank/goldenboy and the 2 major American networks is nothing to a Hearn. Eddie has huge ambition, thus he's ruthless, unfortunately as he's a boxing promotor, people will get hurt.

I'm just not taking it from warren.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:For snooker to be anywhere near as big as golf Hearn would have to capture the Chinese market, which is what he has been trying to do with his reforms, as golf is huge internationally and has the American market.

The Chinese might take to snooker but the yanks won't. As is their want, they took snooker made the table smaller, the pockets bigger, changed the rules and made sure no-one else played it and called themselves world champions.

They should take up darts though... Most of them are fat enough so they have the natural attributes.

milkyboy wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:For snooker to be anywhere near as big as golf Hearn would have to capture the Chinese market, which is what he has been trying to do with his reforms, as golf is huge internationally and has the American market.

The Chinese might take to snooker but the yanks won't. As is their want, they took snooker made the table smaller, the pockets bigger, changed the rules and made sure no-one else played it and called themselves world champions.

They should take up darts though... Most of them are fat enough so they have the natural attributes.

Not a fan of the yanks by any chance Milky?!

jimdig wrote:I agree that Hearn doesn't always have all of his fighters best interests at heart. The rose fight being a perfect example. Hearn is looking out for himself, he's got a huge stable, throwing a few sacrificial lambs over to the states to cosy up to top rank/goldenboy and the 2 major American networks is nothing to a Hearn. Eddie has huge ambition, thus he's ruthless, unfortunately as he's a boxing promotor, people will get hurt.

I'm just not taking it from warren.

I said most of what Warren is saying directly after the Rose fight. It was pretty obvious what went down as you  note in your post.

In terms of a huge stable I'm not sure Matchroom is that huge and top quality proven fighters are very thin on the ground, only Froch really. Eddie is scrabbling to find something to replace the void left by Froch v Groves II, I'm not sure he will find anything and will be pushing to get Froch back in the ring again before the end of the year.

I see they are doing a documentary series on Joshua, seems he's next to get the royal treatment. I wonder if Rose has the sense to move on.

Strongback, I understand that you don't like Eddie Hearns approach as a promotor - his model, or Matchrooms model, of promoting the brand of the sport/fighter rather than building their résumé the traditional way, and of 'feeding' less profitable fighters to world champions abroad. But is that alone enough to give you the hatred you seem to have for EH as an individual? Warren has been no saint over the years but you don't seem to mind him. Is it a personal hatred of Hearn as much as a professional one that fuels all this?

Strongback wrote:

jimdig wrote:I agree that Hearn doesn't always have all of his fighters best interests at heart. The rose fight being a perfect example. Hearn is looking out for himself, he's got a huge stable, throwing a few sacrificial lambs over to the states to cosy up to top rank/goldenboy and the 2 major American networks is nothing to a Hearn. Eddie has huge ambition, thus he's ruthless, unfortunately as he's a boxing promotor, people will get hurt.

I'm just not taking it from warren.

I said most of what Warren is saying directly after the Rose fight. It was pretty obvious what went down as you  note in your post.

In terms of a huge stable I'm not sure Matchroom is that huge and top quality proven fighters are very thin on the ground, only Froch really. Eddie is scrabbling to find something to replace the void left by Froch v Groves II, I'm not sure he will find anything and will be pushing to get Froch back in the ring again before the end of the year.

I see they are doing a documentary series on Joshua, seems he's next to get the royal treatment. I wonder if Rose has the sense to move on.

Yep, I agreed with you on that thread after the rose fight. But as I said then, unfortunately you've lost credibility when discussing Hearn so that when you make valid points they generally fall in deaf ears around here. Hearn promoted a fight that sold 80,000 tickets and a reported 900,000 ppv. That's ridiculous, if you balanced your criticism it'd be received better. Shoot, ignore me, Its been a long time since I've given a balanced view on warren. Maybe I'll start taking my own advice. I think box nation is value for money.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Strongback, I understand that you don't like Eddie Hearns approach as a promotor - his model, or Matchrooms model, of promoting the brand of the sport/fighter rather than building their résumé the traditional way, and of 'feeding' less profitable fighters to world champions abroad. But is that alone enough to give you the hatred you seem to have for EH as an individual? Warren has been no saint over the years but you don't seem to mind him. Is it a personal hatred of Hearn as much as a professional one that fuels all this?

Hearn has promoted himself heavily towards young lads particularly guys in their late teens and 20's.  These guys are impressionable and really buy into Hearn's image, the tailor made suits, good tan, sports cars and wealth.  The way some people defend Hearn is almost cult like.  What I am doing is challenging the blind love a lot of people have for Hearn and that includes older posters on here long enough to know better. They saw Bazza as a boxing promoter first time around.

I have always disliked Barry Hearn's ruthlessness and now I am looking at his offspring pulling the wool over a new generation of fans eyes.

Make no mistakes the Hearn's are the most ruthless of all the British promoters, they have a singular focus and that in on their own personal success. Fighters come way down the list.

jimdig wrote:

Strongback wrote:

jimdig wrote:I agree that Hearn doesn't always have all of his fighters best interests at heart. The rose fight being a perfect example. Hearn is looking out for himself, he's got a huge stable, throwing a few sacrificial lambs over to the states to cosy up to top rank/goldenboy and the 2 major American networks is nothing to a Hearn. Eddie has huge ambition, thus he's ruthless, unfortunately as he's a boxing promotor, people will get hurt.

I'm just not taking it from warren.

I said most of what Warren is saying directly after the Rose fight. It was pretty obvious what went down as you  note in your post.

In terms of a huge stable I'm not sure Matchroom is that huge and top quality proven fighters are very thin on the ground, only Froch really. Eddie is scrabbling to find something to replace the void left by Froch v Groves II, I'm not sure he will find anything and will be pushing to get Froch back in the ring again before the end of the year.

I see they are doing a documentary series on Joshua, seems he's next to get the royal treatment. I wonder if Rose has the sense to move on.

Yep, I agreed with you on that thread after the rose fight. But as I said then, unfortunately you've lost credibility when discussing Hearn so that when you make valid points they generally fall in deaf ears around here. Hearn promoted a fight that sold 80,000 tickets and a reported 900,000 ppv. That's ridiculous, if you balanced your criticism it'd be received better. Shoot, ignore me, Its been a long time since I've given a balanced view on warren. Maybe I'll start taking my own advice. I think box nation is value for money.

If Hearn was American and not British we wouldn't be seeing this messiah like adoration of the 'geezer'.


After what happened with the stoppage in Froch v Groves I the second fight was hardly a hard sell. Let's see how long it takes for Eddie to repeat the numbers of Froch v Groves II.

Ricky Hatton did more Sky PPV numbers and Calzaghe did 50,000 in Wales a small country. Thes e fights happen from time to time. Benn v Eubank had 40 odd thousand in attendance, maybe it could have sold out Wembley.

This is hilarious.

So Strongy, taking Hearn out of the argument - did you actually listen to the garbage Warren was spouting? He had no argument other than to say he wanted purse bids against mandatory challengers (which we know he's not exactly fond of putting his fighters up against) despite the fact that being a mandatory basically means the champion gets to dictate almost everything in the bout!

Warren (don't bring Hearn into it) was one of the major reasons behind UK boxing declining in the early 00's - he was putting his fighters on poor cards, in poor venues and giving them poor money. He didn't market fights that captured the imagination in a period where he had the ability to do so.

I actually disagree with Warren trying to stack the cards in his fighters favour because it makes very weak championship reigns. Calzaghe was incredibly talented, but his record if you take away 2/3 post Warren fights is pretty poor. He was protected, I think it takes a lot away from what Joe's career could have been. In sport, the better team/person wins. The more talented should win regardless of where the fight is held, look at Froch - travels and wins fights all over the place. Look at the greatest champions in history - Ali, fought all over the world etc.

Think if you "protect" your fighter it makes them weaker. You don't have Liverpool pay more money to the FA to ensure all 38 games are played at home and that theres a Liverpool fan refereeing do you?

Totally agree jabby, however im not slating warren he has survived a long time doing that but in the end his model was not one which sky wanted in the end precisly for the reason that viewing figures etc were all declining

Derbymanc wrote:Strongy do you work for/are related/bessie mate with Frank Warren?

Lol, have you not come across Strongy before??

Deary me, Strongy's off on one again. Thought he was banned from this turgid diatribe??

Chip well and truly repositioned on shoulder.......

jimdig wrote: But as I said then, unfortunately you've lost credibility when discussing Hearn so that when you make valid points they generally fall in deaf ears around here.

There used to be two posters on the old BBC, one was called Damonknight and the other was called Tysonking. As the latter’s name suggests they were both somewhat committed in their love of Mike Tyson. They frequently stated he was the greatest heavyweight ever (often followed by the word FACT and lots of exclamation marks), when fantasy matches were proposed King Kong would have to have a good night to get out of the first round, and so it went.

When arguing against such levels of fanaticism and inflexibility of views it was not uncommon for those on the counter side to come across as strongly anti Tyson and as if we did not rate him, when obviously most of us do, just not to the degree Damon and Tyson did. Can’t help but feel the same is happening here. Suspect none of us exactly love Hearn, he is a promoter, who has ever loved a promoter. Suspect more prefer his approach to both the game and the fans to Warren, but fall short of the levels of adulation we are accused of.

I've ignored it up until now Toppy, but there does seem to be a genuine issue and the only reason I can think of is that Strongy works for Warren or Hearn (Eddie or Barry) has nicked his missus etc.

I get that Eddie can come off as a bit of a slimeball sometimes but lambasting the guy for putting on 50/50 fights for his champions and getting his other boxers world title shots seems absolutely banana's.

Then having another go because the Hearn's dare to be successful just leaves me scratching my head. Of course they're in it for money as is boxings apparent saviour Warren. Could one of their boxers get hurt in the ring, yup the same with any other promotor.

And how dare he send his boxers over the the mass boxing market that is America, what does he think he's doing trying to further the British Boxing market by showing the Yanks our guys can fight (whether they do or not is also down to them.)

And before he brings up the Rose arguent, he got him the chance at that belt, if he'd turned in the performance of a lifetime and won, there'd still be a reason it'd be because Hearn had somehow bribed someone or someother teste's.

Absolutely baffling, I think Hampo should try and get the full story for the magazine, reckon we all might buy it for that

Strongback wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Strongback, I understand that you don't like Eddie Hearns approach as a promotor - his model, or Matchrooms model, of promoting the brand of the sport/fighter rather than building their résumé the traditional way, and of 'feeding' less profitable fighters to world champions abroad. But is that alone enough to give you the hatred you seem to have for EH as an individual? Warren has been no saint over the years but you don't seem to mind him. Is it a personal hatred of Hearn as much as a professional one that fuels all this?

Hearn has promoted himself heavily towards young lads particularly guys in their late teens and 20's.  These guys are impressionable and really buy into Hearn's image, the tailor made suits, good tan, sports cars and wealth.  The way some people defend Hearn is almost cult like.  What I am doing is challenging the blind love a lot of people have for Hearn and that includes older posters on here long enough to know better. They saw Bazza as a boxing promoter first time around.

I have always disliked Barry Hearn's ruthlessness and now I am looking at his offspring pulling the wool over a new generation of fans eyes.

Make no mistakes the Hearn's are the most ruthless of all the British promoters, they have a singular focus and that in on their own personal success. Fighters come way down the list.

Hmm, I can't say I've seen any overwhelming evidence to suggest Hearn is flaunting his own wealth in order to lure impressionable young men into the MatchRoom 'cult'. Yes he's a bit of a flash Harry no doubt, but I don't recall ever seeing any footage of him in a sports car etc. Lots of men wear a nice suit every day, I know I do. Does Warren not wear nice suits and drive an expensive car? I appreciate that the Hearns are undoubtedly ruthless, but as have all other boxing promotors past or present been - the sport is notorious for being a nest of vipers. I'm new to your Hearn vitriol as I don't get on here much these days, but it seems you vilify him more for things that every promotor does/has done.

I can take or leave him, but I do think the work he does with iFL and on twitter adds a bit of candidness and transparency to the day to day workings of boxing promotion, gives a bit of an insight into what goes on which is quite interesting & refreshing. Obviously he has recognised social media as a vehicle to promoting MatchRoom; striking while the iron is hot.

It's time we came clean. Strongback, you are correct. There is an Eddie Hearn cult, I'm afraid I can't tell you anymore as I've payed in £10,000 and I'm only at level 7.

Dipper Brown wrote:It's time we came clean. Strongback, you are correct. There is an Eddie Hearn cult, I'm afraid I can't tell you anymore as I've payed in £10,000 and I'm only at level 7.

Be patient young Dipper, another £40,000 and three levels and you learn the secrets of eternal youth.

Rowley has hit the nail on the head here - I'm not a Hearn fan, he annoys me - but to be made out to be a member of the "cult" because I dislike Frank more is ridiculous.

Oh, you can't put a w in Frank any more as it auto changes. Good job mods   

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:Strongy do you work for/are related/bessie mate with Frank Warren?

Lol, have you not come across Strongy before??

Think Strongy wants Eddie to come across him...he's like a jilted ex-girlfriend who can't won't accept that the other half has moved on and is also incredibly bitter that they've now got a better looking bird.

He talks about the Eddie worship on the board/in the country being cult-like whereas his obsession with running down Eddie Hearn at every opportunity doesn't in any way, shape or form make him look like a sad obsessive stalkerish little w"nker, does it?

PRESS REPORT " Eddie Hearn discovers miracle cure for cancer"

STRONGBACK "It'll be a fake, he stole it or he'll refuse to hand it over until he's officially declared a GOD."