Haye comeback plans

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Wants 2 bouts this year. Accepts they may have to be fairly low key (by hes standards) wants to earn he's ranking and unifye in 2/3 years. Sounds too good to be true! If he does carry out these plans it will go against what he's done he's whole career. Is this haye reliseing he will have to work and does have the desire or is there more to this?   

Who thinks Fury is a viable alternative....??

Hoping Joshua wipes them all out..

He will.

AJ to ko Fury in his 10th pro fight.......heard it here first!

No issue with people wanting to see Haye pummelled, but why does it have to be by such a revolting talentless oik like Fury??

Would rather he (fairly) worked his weigh to a shot at Stiverne and then got a slap there.

TopHat24/7 wrote:No issue with people wanting to see Haye pummelled, but why does it have to be by such a revolting talentless oik like Fury??

Would rather he (fairly) worked his weigh to a shot at Stiverne and then got a slap there.

What is there about Stiverne that convinces you he beats Haye (or is he just the latest in the never-ending line of "Oh, I've heard of him so I'll mention him a lot in my posts this week" fighters that seem to crop up.

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

catchweight wrote:Haye is hugely overrated for me. Talks a good game, exudes a lot of confidence. But hardly anything in his performances that deliver on his supposed talent or excitement. He was useless against Valuev and Klitschko and has spent his career in two p1ss poor divisions facing has beens and never weres. Having said that, Fury is worse. But at least he delivers entertainment and isnt a rip off artist like Haye.

Err Haye beat Valuev so can't have been that bad. He fought a smart tactical fight and you've only yourself to blame if you thought he was ever going to anything other than hit and run against a man with a 12 inch height and seven stone weight advantage. The Wlad fight was a stinker but Haye made Wlad fight better than he's had to for years. As for Haye spending his career in pi$$ poor divisions facing has-beens and never weres, surely that accusation can also be leveled at Wlad or did you expect Haye to go down and fight at SM for a bit?

Sad state of affairs when you think Fury is entertaining. He's the boxing equivalent of watching "Britain's Got Talent" Despite everything the title says, it's abundantly clear that there's no talent on show yet idiots still shovel that sh!t down their throats and ask for seconds.

Haye has played fans and the media like a fiddle. Despite his assertions that he was "the saviour of the division" he has stuggled with the big men (despite his almost cartoonish pumped up frame). WELL, IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY INTO THE HYPE AND SPEND THEIR MONEY DESPITE SMRT PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF TELLING THEM THEY'RE BEING RIPPED OFF THEN THEY'VE NO-ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. STILL, NICE OF YOU TO BE OFFENDED ON THEIR BEHALF THOUGH

He promised to destroy Valuev (a guy the fossil of Evander Holyfield managed to outmaneuver) and Wladimir yet boxed so timidly that both bouts became almost unwatchable. And as for this “David & Goliath” theme he sold the fight on – Haye was no smaller than Holyfield or Ruiz (both of whom were unlucky not to have taken a decision over the big lug – one of the poorest titlists in division history). AGAIN IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE PRE-FIGHT HYPE THEN WHO IS TO BLAME?

The Audley farce very nearly torpedoed Sky's boxing coverage altogether while his constant sick notes have repeatedly cost fans money. Yet through it all, he continues to pimp himself like Paris Hilton. To me, Haye represents everything that’s wrong with the modern sport. HAYE TOLD EVERYONE THE FIGHT WOULD BE AS ONE-SIDED AS GANG R@PE,,WAS HE WRONG? BUT THE BIG QUESTION IS THIS....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND AT SKY SOUGHT TO SANCTION THAT FIGHT OR DOES DAVID HAYE BOOK THE FIGHTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON PPV ALSO? THE PEOPLE AT SKY SHOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH SENSE TO REALISE IT WAS A MIS-MATCH OF EPIC PROPORTIONS BUT AGAIN, IF LIKE THE PAYING PUBLIC, THEY LACK THE NOUS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THEN I'M AFRAID THEY NEED TO START LOOKING AT SOMEONE OTHER THAN DAVID HAYE TO BLAME. I SUPPOSE THESE SAME PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING OUTSIDE CAR SHOWROOMS BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT A FANCY SPORTS CAR BUT WEREN'T IMMEDIATELY BESIEGED WITH BUSTY BIKINI CLAD WOMEN BEGGING TO BE FILLED WITH THEIR SEED DESPITE WHAT THE ADVERT ON TV TOLD THEM.

Give me Fury – as limited as he is – over Haye’s nonsense all day every day. YOU'RE WELCOME TO HIM

Yep. The fans are to blame for being stupid enough to even follow this guy. And hey, if they forked for travel and accommodation prior to both Fury fights and lost money then guess what? Screw them again. Idiots.Oh yeah, boxing will flourish with more fighters like Haye around.

Can't wait to see him knock out Seth Mitchell and then promise to MOIDER Klitschko.....only to face Lucas Browne on PPV. AND IF THE FANS BUY THAT GARBAGE THEN SCREW THEM AGAIN!!

Why would anyone even consider Fury over Haye?

To be fair I am glad to know the £1000 I spent going to Germany to watch him not turn up against Klitschko first time round is my own fault for being stupid enough to follow the sport I love.

At least you didn't have a sore toe rowley !!

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:No issue with people wanting to see Haye pummelled, but why does it have to be by such a revolting talentless oik like Fury??

Would rather he (fairly) worked his weigh to a shot at Stiverne and then got a slap there.

What is there about Stiverne that convinces you he beats Haye (or is he just the latest in the never-ending line of "Oh, I've heard of him so I'll mention him a lot in my posts this week" fighters that seem to crop up.

Nothing.

It's just if we're taking a punt/wish-listing for someone to stop Haye, I wish it wasn't Fury. Stiv seems an obvious alternative.

Rowley wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

catchweight wrote:Haye is hugely overrated for me. Talks a good game, exudes a lot of confidence. But hardly anything in his performances that deliver on his supposed talent or excitement. He was useless against Valuev and Klitschko and has spent his career in two p1ss poor divisions facing has beens and never weres. Having said that, Fury is worse. But at least he delivers entertainment and isnt a rip off artist like Haye.

Err Haye beat Valuev so can't have been that bad. He fought a smart tactical fight and you've only yourself to blame if you thought he was ever going to anything other than hit and run against a man with a 12 inch height and seven stone weight advantage. The Wlad fight was a stinker but Haye made Wlad fight better than he's had to for years. As for Haye spending his career in pi$$ poor divisions facing has-beens and never weres, surely that accusation can also be leveled at Wlad or did you expect Haye to go down and fight at SM for a bit?

Sad state of affairs when you think Fury is entertaining. He's the boxing equivalent of watching "Britain's Got Talent" Despite everything the title says, it's abundantly clear that there's no talent on show yet idiots still shovel that sh!t down their throats and ask for seconds.

Haye has played fans and the media like a fiddle. Despite his assertions that he was "the saviour of the division" he has stuggled with the big men (despite his almost cartoonish pumped up frame). WELL, IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY INTO THE HYPE AND SPEND THEIR MONEY DESPITE SMRT PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF TELLING THEM THEY'RE BEING RIPPED OFF THEN THEY'VE NO-ONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. STILL, NICE OF YOU TO BE OFFENDED ON THEIR BEHALF THOUGH

He promised to destroy Valuev (a guy the fossil of Evander Holyfield managed to outmaneuver) and Wladimir yet boxed so timidly that both bouts became almost unwatchable. And as for this “David & Goliath” theme he sold the fight on – Haye was no smaller than Holyfield or Ruiz (both of whom were unlucky not to have taken a decision over the big lug – one of the poorest titlists in division history). AGAIN IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THE PRE-FIGHT HYPE THEN WHO IS TO BLAME?

The Audley farce very nearly torpedoed Sky's boxing coverage altogether while his constant sick notes have repeatedly cost fans money. Yet through it all, he continues to pimp himself like Paris Hilton. To me, Haye represents everything that’s wrong with the modern sport. HAYE TOLD EVERYONE THE FIGHT WOULD BE AS ONE-SIDED AS GANG R@PE,,WAS HE WRONG? BUT THE BIG QUESTION IS THIS....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND AT SKY SOUGHT TO SANCTION THAT FIGHT OR DOES DAVID HAYE BOOK THE FIGHTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON PPV ALSO? THE PEOPLE AT SKY SHOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH SENSE TO REALISE IT WAS A MIS-MATCH OF EPIC PROPORTIONS BUT AGAIN, IF LIKE THE PAYING PUBLIC, THEY LACK THE NOUS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THEN I'M AFRAID THEY NEED TO START LOOKING AT SOMEONE OTHER THAN DAVID HAYE TO BLAME. I SUPPOSE THESE SAME PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING OUTSIDE CAR SHOWROOMS BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT A FANCY SPORTS CAR BUT WEREN'T IMMEDIATELY BESIEGED WITH BUSTY BIKINI CLAD WOMEN BEGGING TO BE FILLED WITH THEIR SEED DESPITE WHAT THE ADVERT ON TV TOLD THEM.

Give me Fury – as limited as he is – over Haye’s nonsense all day every day. YOU'RE WELCOME TO HIM

Yep. The fans are to blame for being stupid enough to even follow this guy. And hey, if they forked for travel and accommodation prior to both Fury fights and lost money then guess what? Screw them again. Idiots.Oh yeah, boxing will flourish with more fighters like Haye around.

Can't wait to see him knock out Seth Mitchell and then promise to MOIDER Klitschko.....only to face Lucas Browne on PPV. AND IF THE FANS BUY THAT GARBAGE THEN SCREW THEM AGAIN!!

Why would anyone even consider Fury over Haye?

To be fair I am glad to know the £1000 I spent going to Germany to watch him not turn up against Klitschko first time round is my own fault for being stupid enough to follow the sport I love.

Every man and his dog knows that Setanta folding wasn't Haye's fault and he wasn't going to fight for free. However, having suffered the bitter disappointment of the fight being cancelled did you decide to shell out again for a Haye fight on the off-chance things would be better or had you learned your lesson? If it's the latter then, well done, you're a smart cookie, if it's the former, you're an idiot who deserves everything he gets.

Why do you like Haye so much ??

I didn’t shell out again for him as it goes and would not do so again. However having pulled out of a fight once at the last minute and left his fans high and dry (and skint for that matter) one would like to think Haye would do everything within his power to avoid doing so again and would try and rebuild the trust her had lost. However the initial Wlad fight was not an isolated, unfortunate incident beyond his control but pretty much a template for how his career would go from that point on.

He withdrew from the negotiations with Vitali the minute an easier assignment in Valuev came over the horizon, withdrew from the Pulev fight the minute the easier and more lucrative Fury fight appeared, fought both Audley and Chisora after previously dismissing the possibility of it ever happening and the less said about the Fury farce the better. You want to make excuses so be it, you want to say anyone who falls for it twice gets what they deserve so be it, however as Haz said the sport would be in poor shape if every fighter showed the contempt Haye did for both his fans and the sport.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why do you like Haye so much ??

Liked him since he started out as a CW fighting on the BBC even before his loss to Carl Thompson. He was a breath of fresh air at the time. He was chopping down opponents, however limited, in a manner reminiscent of Nigel Benn when he came on the scene and it struck a chord with me. I remember watching Nigel come to the fore as a MW back in the day with my dad). I'm frustrated by some of his antics and growing skeptical as to whether or not to his latest assault is worthy of even a passing interest (family life has essentially killed any chance of watching fights these days) but like other fighters doing the rounds, there appears to be an arbitrary hatred of him that stems from something other than his non-effort against Wlad. I've seen worse fights but none that have caused such outrage.

Think a few people need to calm down a tad. Haye doesn't know us, we don't know him, I've enjoyed watching him fight, I've been disappointed when he's lost (never put any money on the fights so haven't lost out in that respect), been frustrated by his lack of activity and cancellations for various reasons but at the end of the day I put my head on the pillow and go to sleep, I don't get worked up about anything despite what my f*cking posts may b*st*rd well suggest!

Just wish more people were as easy going and understanding as me, but hey, I'm wide eyed dreamer.

Rowley wrote:I didn’t shell out again for him as it goes and would not do so again. However having pulled out of a fight once at the last minute and left his fans high and dry (and skint for that matter) one would like to think Haye would do everything within his power to avoid doing so again and would try and rebuild the trust her had lost. However the initial Wlad fight was not an isolated, unfortunate incident beyond his control but pretty much a template for how his career would go from that point on.

He withdrew from the negotiations with Vitali the minute an easier assignment in Valuev came over the horizon, withdrew from the Pulev fight the minute the easier and more lucrative Fury fight appeared, fought both Audley and Chisora after previously dismissing the possibility of it ever happening and the less said about the Fury farce the better. You want to make excuses so be it, you want to say anyone who falls for it twice gets what they deserve so be it, however as Haz said the sport would be in poor shape if every fighter showed the contempt Haye did for both his fans and the sport.

You mean like Mayweather does when ignoring a poll suggesting Khan was the fan's choice to fight him instead of Maidana or the fact that he staunchly refuses to fight Manny despite what the fans want and the sport craves?

Not sure what your point is, is it that I love Mayweather or that because Haye is comparible to Mayweather he is alright? Unless I have ever argued either point not sure how that works as a riposte.

Rowley and others spent big money going to Germany......Only to find a guy making an excuse that he was only half fit..afterward.

People bought tickets for Fury-Haye too..Only for a guy who breaks convention and spars right up to the fight to have a miracle cut happen..

The Mayweather comparison is turd and you know it !!

Rowley wrote:Not sure what your point is, is it that I love Mayweather or that because Haye is comparible to Mayweather he is alright? Unless I have ever argued either point not sure how that works as a riposte.

Settle down, you're very touchy aren't you and consider the possibility that the comment re Floyd wasn't aimed at you. Just saying that if it's OK for Floyd to show contempt to the boxing world and his fans whilst simultaneously blowing smoke up everyone's hole (didn't he at one point refuse to fight Mosley before eventually facing him) I wonder why Haye comes in for as much stick for doing pretty much the same thing. Genuinely couldn't give a monkey's if you like Floyd, hate Floyd or fall somewhere in between.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Rowley and others spent big money going to Germany......Only to find a guy making an excuse that he was only half fit..afterward.

People bought tickets for Fury-Haye too..Only for a guy who breaks convention and spars right up to the fight to have a miracle cut happen..

The Mayweather comparison is turd and you know it !!

Given you're love of Floyd you're hardly going to be impartial...however, just to clarify the point for those whose vision has suddenly been clouded by descending red mist....the comparison is that Haye is deemed to have shown contempt for his fans and I'm suggesting Mayweather has done the same by refusing to fight Khan despite stating his intention was to go on what the fans wanted (and the suggestion is that the poll favoured Amir) and the failure to make the fight with Manny even now five years after it's virtually meaningless is something that he cannot in good conscience wash his hands of as being everyone else's fault.

Then again I don't expect detractors/apologists to see it that way.

Still, all opinions welcome I believe the saying goes.....

PS Didn't Foreman get cut before the fight with Ali, didn't Watson break his nose sparring a week before the McCallum fight? Hardly going against convention is it. Still I suppose if you want to run the guy down, you'll find a way...

I thought Oscar deserved a draw and that Floyd was lucky against castillo........

Also thought he should have fought Manny..

But smokescreen away...

Going into a fight knowing you are half fit..........and then later letting down paying fans by getting a cut a week before a fight when boxers have finished sparring..

Is two finger territory and you know it...

Mayweather say what you like always gives a performance and turns up..

I still maintain your point only has any validity if Floyd never received any grief for not fighting Manny or boxing fans en masse gave him a pass for this, now unless you have been living in a cave for the last four years you cannot believe this is true. Floyd has been slaughtered in various places for this, hell Haz refuses to even consider him being a top ten guy on the back of this. It is not alright for Floyd not to fight Manny and the suggestion the consensus view is that it is is just balderdash.

The fact he's a modern fighter plays more heavily in the Haz reasoning...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I thought Oscar deserved a draw and that Floyd was lucky against castillo........

Also thought he should have fought Manny..

But smokescreen away...

Going into a fight knowing you are half fit..........and then later letting down paying fans by getting a cut a week before a fight when boxers have finished sparring..

Is two finger territory and you know it...

Mayweather say what you like always gives a performance and turns up..

Not smokescreening at all dear fellow...it's poor form to let your fans down I suppose but you pays ya money, ya takes ya risks. Coughed up enough money in my time to see bands only for them to cancel, lose a decent support act or just phone in their performance. However, the fact is Floyd's biggest fight for years was against Manny and he was as guilty as the rest for coming up with excuses as to why he shouldn't fight him (my belief is that he cleaned Manny's clock all day every day) but he looked for ways to wheedle out of it as much as anyone else. Anybody thinking Floyd was stood in the ring with gloved taped up ready to go only for Manny to do a no-show at the last minute is a deluded fanboy. The situation with Khan has made Floyd look a bit of a twit also.

"I give the fans what they want"

Yeah well Floyd, they wanted you to fight Khan and you said "Well I'm fighting in September regardless", knowing full well Khan's commitment to Ramadan put him at a disadvantage, so I'd suggest you don't actually give then what they want. Maybe you beat Khan with something to spare, maybe he shows that father time is catching up with you and I understand a man with crippling fragile ego such as your doesn't want to see his time in the sun come to an end, but to behave like that makes you look a real ****

No qualms with people criticizing Haye for cancelling fights but b!tching and whining when he lost to Wlad smacks more of people feeling stupid that they bought into the belief that he'd win. I was disappointed and critical whilst giving Wlad his props but some people seem to have really taken it heart and can't seem to let go. For a bunch of mature adults, they don't half come across as idiots sometimes.

Dear oh dear...........

If that's rebuttal..........Don't bother.

Floyd picks his opponent and turns up and gives a performance...

Your beliefs aren't rebuttal

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dear oh dear...........

If that's rebuttal..........Don't bother.

Floyd picks his opponent and turns up and gives a performance...

Your beliefs aren't rebuttal

Why the f**k does it have to be a rebuttal? I've given my opinions on the man, feel free to disagree or not, the choice is yours. When did the forum become a place to insist your particular viewpoint was the right one? Foolishly thought it was forum for expressing opinions (however biased flawed or silly) and that all opinions were welcome. Seems I missed the caveat that only as long they tallied with yours they were acceptable. Like I said previously though, I don't expect anything less from such an ardent Mayweather lover.

Your particular view sucks...............

and sucks bad....Only you can't see it !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Your particular view sucks...............

and sucks bad....Only you can't see it !!

Ok dear, whatever you say!!!!!!!!

Most sensible post you've written today..

Like I say dear, whatever...you're boring me again/still (delete as applicable)

Why delete ..I want everybody to see your argument..

Mate my opinion is you're mixed race and so is David Haye.....Maybe I'm wrong and If I am I'm sorry..

That is why I think you stick up for him..

Which is fine and laudable...........I have no problem with that..

Why would that mean Dave sticks up for Haye???

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why delete ..I want everybody to see your argument..it means delete either the word "still" or "again"...stupid boy/**** (delete as applicable)

[b]Mate my opinion is you're mixed race and so is David Haye.....Maybe I'm wrong and If I am I'm sorry..

That is why I think you stick up for him..[/b]

Which is fine and laudable...........I have no problem with that..

just when I thought it nigh on impossible (given the likes of Ralphy and Davide's existence) for you to say the stupidest thing possible, you go and smash it right out of the park.

The hilarity this has caused me is unfortunately tempered by the fact that there are people with serious mental health issues who don't say things as ridiculous as this (and they think the Royal family are made of sausages!).

Derbymanc wrote:Why would that mean Dave sticks up for Haye???

Didn't you know? ALL mixed race people stick up for one another, it's written in the "mixed race charter"...right there in black and white!!

Like I said.... If I'm wrong I'm sorry.........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like I said.... If I'm wrong I'm stupid.........

Fixed that for TRUSSY.

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like I said.... If I'm wrong I'm stupid.........

Fixed that for TRUSSY.

Taken as read especially at home...  

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like I said.... If I'm wrong I'm stupid.........

Fixed that for TRUSSY.

Taken as read especially at home...  

Amen to that brother...may have to become a stay at home dad if only to stop my wife turning the kids against me.

They've got years to make up their own minds about that sort of thing

I still want to know why being mixed race would make Dave stick up for Haye   

Derbymanc wrote:I still want to know why being mixed race would make Dave stick up for Haye   

Apparently I feel an affinity for my mixed race brethren and struggle to find any fault with them. Even working where I do, whenever mixed race suspects come through the system apparently I'm compelled to do everything within my power to ensure they get off scot-free irrespective of the severity of the crime they've allegedly committed. (MRC - Mixed Race Charter page 3 clause 4 sub section 2)

Derbymanc wrote:I still want to know why being mixed race would make Dave stick up for Haye   

The mind boggles doesn't it..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dear oh dear...........

If that's rebuttal..........Don't bother.
Floyd picks his opponent and turns up and gives a performance...

Your beliefs aren't rebuttal

Might have to quote this over on Off Topic.....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:I still want to know why being mixed race would make Dave stick up for Haye   

The mind boggles doesn't it..

That's why I asked Trussy, as you said it I thought you could explain it.

Anyway on topic, If Haye comes back, swallows his ego and gets on with it then fair play but they way he's treated the fans before leaves a sour taste in the mouth and if anything he should take a massive pay cut to allow for his fans to get cut price tickets for his next fight. (Floyd should do the same if he ever fights Khan )

Haye deserves all the stick he gets. What a chancer.

catchweight wrote:Haye deserves all the stick he gets. What a chancer.

Couldn't agree more..

Honestly, I've always thought Dave was related to Haye since back on 606 days? Even to the point of being spiteful and nasty to people he generally gets along with on here - Like Rowley above. Fury is a fat stupid imbecile and he doesnt pretend to be otherwise - he's probably going to get battered senseless by Wlad if he he ever makes it that far - but you could probably rely on him to have a go and not run away like Haye. Every time someone says - Haye gave him the hardest fight he has had in years - complete nonsense - unless you're asking about a cardiovascular workout. He ran all night and Wlad chased him aimlessly - on occasion he would fall over or throw a punch so telegraphed that Wlad just stood there without moving forward as a form of defense.

His performance against Klitschko was an embarrassment after all his years of talk, taunts and hype. He managed to make one of the most tentative heavyweight champions in history look aggressive. Diving around like Arjen Robben looking for a penalty and then the toe thing after.... pathetic.

I'm mixed race, Dave, feel free to tag me in at any time.

catchweight wrote:Haye is hugely overrated for me. Talks a good game, exudes a lot of confidence. But hardly anything in his performances that deliver on his supposed talent or excitement. He was useless against Valuev and Klitschko and has spent his career in two p1ss poor divisions facing has beens and never weres. Having said that, Fury is worse. But at least he delivers entertainment and isnt a rip off artist like Haye.

whatever. You think of haye the fact is he is a seriously talented boxer fury is not!

I always thought there was only one race..........the human race.

Dave, do you have Indian or Pakistani heritage? Trussy's not keen on his Indian neighbour and has suggested in the past that Indians are braggarts.

rycoys wrote:

catchweight wrote:Haye is hugely overrated for me. Talks a good game, exudes a lot of confidence. But hardly anything in his performances that deliver on his supposed talent or excitement. He was useless against Valuev and Klitschko and has spent his career in two p1ss poor divisions facing has beens and never weres. Having said that, Fury is worse. But at least he delivers entertainment and isnt a rip off artist like Haye.

whatever. You think of haye the fact is he is a seriously talented boxer fury is not!

He is an overrated boxer with an overrated record.

Pakistani neighbor

Although I find this chain of conversation hilarious for all the wrong reasons, can we please just drop things.

Having watched truss over the years, I am sure that race had never been an issue (what with him being a fat American and all). His comments are without a doubt some of the most stupid things I have hears on here - let's just leave them at that. Stupid comments that I am sure on reflection will be acknowledged as ludicrous.