Cincy Thread

[The Special Juan]

First topic message reminder :

I didn't even realise the draw had been made.  Murray's got a decent one until the QFs (can we hope Roger and Jo play a 4 hour epic today?), Isner plays Anderson in the first round.  Either a double bagel over a mentally crushed Anderson or 2/3 tiebreaks.  Djokovic could barely have given himself a better draw.  Dimitrov and Stan are draw magnets!!

Draw is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Western_%26_Southern_Open_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles

or

here: http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/Mens_Main_Draw.pdf

[Jahu]

HB, possbily on clay, but not blue one.

[Jahu]

3 MP.

Come onnnnnnn

[Jahu]

Yesssssss.

Bad finish with HE but who caressssss

[LuvSports!]

ALLLEZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 CHUM JETZE!!!! PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!

[The Special Juan]

I care. Poor match in terms of quality but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

[Henman Bill]

If Fed was once the king of all the world, is this perhaps the last place where he still reigns? After losing even Basle and the World Tour Finals (both 2 years in a row) this is the only place where RF is still king.

His most won MS (now 6), 2 out of the last 3 Cincis and he has not won a slam or a masters since winning Cincinatti 2 years ago.

[Haddie-nuff]

Sanctimonious Federer fans should look away now... Federer just took a bathroom break having lost a set...

Gamesmanship?

Oh NO that is something reserved for Nadal... Fed wouldn't dream of it   

[summerblues]

Nice!  Not the best of matches but he pulled it off.  It would have been depressing to see Fed lose to Ferrer.

[Henman Bill]

Poor match in terms of quality.

Don't agree with that. I think Federer focused on conserving energy when 0-3 or 0-4 down in set 2 and apart from that period good match.

[Haddie-nuff]

The MAN of the match was Daveed... a pro and a fighter who was the REAL winner

[laverfan]

Congrats, Federer !

Ferrer, fantastic play. He will get a win some day!

[Henman Bill]

I have to agree that it's a disgrace that these players are allowed to go the toilet when they need to. They should be made to stand in the naughty corner until they p1ss themselves.

Come on seriously, if you can't have a bathroom break at the end of set 2 in a three set match, when is it OK to have one?

[Jahu]

Good two weeks for Fed.

I think he is spent for USO.

Raonic for USO win!!   

[Henman Bill]

Haddie Nuff, come on, no trolling please.!

[Henman Bill]

I agree with Raonic to win at the US Open.

[Henman Bill]

In fact I think he might win 2 perhaps even 3 matches there.

[summerblues]

Ferrer, fantastic play. He will get a win some day!  

Or not.  Hopefully.

[laverfan]

@kingRaf ... You are certain you want to go down this road of bathroom breaks? Was it during the set or after?

[Jahu]

Mary Jo...date me.

[Henman Bill]

Only man to make four MS finals this year.    A clearly superior record to Novak's 3 finals.

[Jahu]

Dont put Novak in same sentence with Fed.

Nadal, ok I guess.

[Jahu]

The flowerly $9 plastic vase, is still a joke.

[kingraf]

I believe my post was quite clear. Having lost the set, Federer took a bathroom break. I personally have no problem with the breaks. But Federer fans do, and have made no secret of that in the past.

[Haddie-nuff]

Haddie Nuff, come on, no trolling please.!

Trolling my arras... Federer would NO COULD NOT be accused of gamesmanship...its not in the rules

[Jahu]

Any fan b1tching about pee breakes, is a sad loosers.

Dodgy MTOs, those have happened a few times.

Miles Maclagan is a real gentleman!   

[Haddie-nuff]

Well I suppose I should appologise I keep forgetting that old men have trouble with bladder control...!!!

[Jahu]

Fed-Nadal = 49 Masters.

[hawkeye]

Any fan b1tching about pee breakes, is a sad loosers.
 

  No one will bitch when Federer takes a bathroom break and if Djokovic or Murray do so it's hailed as a tactical masterstroke. All these players have openly admitted they use bathroom breaks tactically. But if Nadal takes a bathroom break the fan bitching by sad losers will be deafening.

[laverfan]

@H-n is it not great to see a diaper-wearer win a fast-court MS at 33+ ?

[laverfan]

@HE ... A Bathroom Break at MP?

[Haddie-nuff]

@H-n is it not  great to see a diaper-wearer win a fast-court MS at 33+ ?

   Teners for men... or he is using one of the twins diapers.....

[Jahu]

HE, are you on Red light? Hyper baby. Are you a female?

[lydian]

Well done Fed, well battled Ferrer. I didn't personally enjoy the match and wasn't surprised by the winner. Ferrer nearly always runs out of gas in pressure matches by the 3rd set...it's become entirely predictable. Ferrer just can't live with the top guys at all....he's 11-50 vs Nadal/Djokovic/Federer...pretty bad for a guy knocking closely outside the top 4 for so long.

I wonder how much Federer has in the mental tank for a deep USO run...a lot as usual depends on his draw, whether Nadal shows up, plus what type of Djokovic checks in.

[invisiblecoolers]

Not sure why people crying for a Fed win here by questioning his gamesmanship, taking a pee break end of set is a norm issue, ATP allows that and its within the rules, in contrast MTO are advised to be taken at the end of the set, however some players in the past took it regularly in the mid of the set and opponent fans rightly questioned the move.

Had Nadal taken all those MTO's after completion of the set there would be absolutely not question at all.

[invisiblecoolers]

I wonder how much Federer has in the mental tank for a deep USO run...a lot as usual depends on his draw, whether Nadal shows up, plus what type of Djokovic checks in.

He wouldn't mind a Djoko here as long as Nadal is out, the main concern is Nadal.

I wish Fed and Djoko drawn on the same draw and Nadal pulling out giving Stan and Murray a chance on the other side.   

[bogbrush]

Sanctimonious Federer fans should look away now... Federer just took a bathroom break having lost a set...

Gamesmanship?

Lame stuff.

Call me back when he systematically delays the game, takes an MTO at mp down, and barges opponents out of the way at changeover.

[bogbrush]

Well I suppose I should appologise I keep forgetting that old men have trouble with bladder control...!!!

Whereas some old women just seem to have it with self control, right?

[CaledonianCraig]

Nothing wrong with toilet breaks between sets - every player has done it at one time or another.

I never watched it but was as certain as one can be that Roger would win and would have still been as confident when Ferrer levelled at one set-all. Congrats to Roger on his 80th title.

[lags72]

Nothing wrong with toilet breaks between sets - every player has done it at one time or another.

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Perfectly true.

Mind you, if my username happened to be something like kingraf (a certain amount of bias indicated there methinks ....  ) then I reckon the very last thing I would want to draw attention to is the matter of bathroom breaks, in the near-certain knowledge that the mere mention would in turn bring to mind all manner of other, more questionable on-court behaviour patterns, manufactured delays and general 'etiquette'. And - ironically - just at a time when an injury layoff has seen less scrutiny than usual on such tactics.

laverfan was quick to suggest that it really might not be a good idea to open up that particular can of worms yet again ;  but judging by kingraf's follow-up post it seems that the well-meant hint was not taken. Think it's what one might call the law of unintended consequences, aka shooting yourself in the foot......  

Congrats to Federer on adding to his sizeable Masters collection (albeit still some way behind Rafa's) and well done Ferrer for giving maximum effort - as he does in (almost) every match, whether big or not-so-big, he plays.

Seem to think that Federer has the most wins v top-ten guys this year to date, so regardless of how far he can progress at USO, it has become a pretty respectable season overall.

[Calder106]

@H-n is it not  great to see a diaper-wearer win a fast-court MS at 33+ ?

Well done to Federer for winning. Fully deserved.

Is Cincy still a fast court ? There seemed to be some dubiety about this at the start of the thread but I suppose now that he has won it must be fast.

33+   He is 33. Guess that before the end of the year he will be going on 34.  

[HM Murdock]

I'm really pleased that Federer won.

I know there's no such thing as "deserving" a win in sport but to lose a third final in a row would not be a suitable reward for his level of play over recent weeks.

He's also only 485 points behind Rafa in the race, having played one tournament less. Not bad for a 33 year playing in the Golden Era...

[coolpixel]

Congrats to the Old Man.

the Masters are his sweet spot now, all things taken into consideration.

David Ferrer seems to have just a Plan A, which is keep returning to the SHBH.

[hawkeye]

Sanctimonious Federer fans should look away now... Federer just took a bathroom break having lost a set...

Gamesmanship?

Lame stuff.

Call me back when he systematically delays the game, takes an MTO at mp down, and barges opponents out of the way at changeover.

The truth is no one is really bothered about bathroom breaks as it is only when one player takes them that anyone cares. Those that get worked up about them usually do it as a form of distraction because what really makes them furious is repeated high topspin forehands hit to the backhand. What kind of bully would be so mean. It's a form of gamesmanship and the ATP should introduce a rule to prevent it  

He's also only 485 points behind Rafa in the race, having played one tournament less. Not bad for a 33 year playing in the Golden Era...

Yes and Rafa is only 780 points behind Novak despite spending the last few weeks lying on a beach in Majorca with a cast on his wrist  

[kingraf]

Maybe Federer has just developed a new problem keeping it in? I seem remember a bathroom break vs Ernie at two sets down. Or the truly remarkable bathroom break to wait for the Sun to move having lost the first set vs Davydenko... Studies on the effect of the sun on your urinary system are ongoing...

[Johnyjeep]

I have to be honest...I've never seen anyone claim a bathroom break at the end of the set as being Gamesmanship?

For any player. Including Nadal.

If someone can refer me to where taking a leak at the end of a set has been called as much I would appreciate it.

[Johnyjeep]

Yes and Rafa is only 780 points behind Novak despite spending the last few weeks lying on a beach in Majorca with a cast on his wrist  

A well derserved bit of R&R as well, injury or not, having played 3 tournaments more than Novak.

[YvonneT]

Yes and Rafa is only 780 points behind Novak despite spending the last few weeks lying on a beach in Majorca with a cast on his wrist  

I presume that's not literally what Nadal has been doing for the last few weeks - or he wouldn't still be considering playing next week.

[YvonneT]

Sharapova got a lot of stick for taking a long break in the French Open final after losing the 2nd set. To be honest, it certainly felt like a old pro move against a first time finalist. I think it's fine to have bathrooms breaks, but my gut feel is that they are very rarely taken by the player that wins the set - unless it's a long, long match, they are mainly taken just to regroup.

[Jahu]

Why has this thread turned into a pee contest?

Think we're old enough and too much on "internets" to bite on this kind of bait.

Long live peeing!!!   

[Josiah Maiestas]

The MAN of the match was Daveed... a pro and a fighter who was the REAL winner

Yep. Ferrer's 2nd set trumps the 1st & 3rd sets   

It's about time Federer did what the rest do and take a toilet break, acting is the way forward   

David will get donated 1 win eventually probably on clay amazing they have never met in a slam, come on ATP put them on the same half!!

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