ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:58 am

Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon Olympique Universitaire
Date: Friday 24th October - KO: 19.45
Venue: Murrayfield

Referee: Matthew Carley (England)
Assistant referees: Ian Tempest (England), Ashley Rowden (England)
Timekeeper: John Montgomery (Scotland)
Assessor: Clayton Thomas (Wales)

TV - Nope

Table as it stands

European Rugby Challenge Cup - Pool 4
1 Lyon 1 1 0 0 28/18 1 5
2 Edinburgh 1 1 0 0 15/13 0 4
3 Bordeaux-Begles 1 0 0 1 13/15 1 1
4 London Welsh 1 0 0 1 18/28 0 0

Teams:

Edinburgh Rugby:
ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Gemma_10

ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Gemma_10

15 Greig Tonks
14 Dougie Fife
13 Sam Beard
12 Andries Strauss
11 Tim Visser
10 Phil Burleigh
9 Sam Hidlago-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford
3 Willem Nel
4 Anton Bresler
5 Grant Gilchrist (captain)
6 Roddy Grant
7 Hamish Watson
8 Tomas Leonardi

16 James Hilterbrand
17 Allan Del
18 John Andress
19 Ben Toolis
20 David Denton
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Tom Heathcote
23 Nick McLennan

Lyon Olympique Universitaire:
ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Eva11

ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Eva11

15 Jerome Porical
14 Franck Romanet
13 Paul Bonnefond
12 Waisele Seru Sukanaveita
11 Thibaut Regard
10 Romain Loursac
9 Mathieu Loree

1 Sami Mavinga
2 Damien Fitzpatrick
3 Hoani Tui
4 Mickael De Marco
5 Connie Basson (capt)
6 Julien Puricelli
7 Alexandre Derrien
8 Masi Matadigo

16 Vincent Colliat
17 Emmanuel Felsina
18 Horace Pungea
19 Joe Tuineau
20 Steevy Cerqueira
21 Adrien Bau
22 Didier Tison
23 Vincent Martin

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:19 am

Well our next game against French opposition, back at ~~fortress~~ Murrayfield.

No idea how this game will go, didn’t fancy our chances in Bordeaux but we got a win, against a fairly weakened team, I guess depends how seriously Lyon take this comp.

I don’t think we can read too much into our win last time out, but fingers crossed its the start on the right path, but I fear it’ll just be a blip and normal services will be resumed.

by **RDW** Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:51 am

Looking forward to hearing what whocares has to say about Lyon. They are currently 9th having won 4 and lost 5.

They got a win over London Welsh, but let's face it - I'm fairly confident even Edinburgh could give LW a doing just now.

Here are Lyon's recent results:

Lyon 26 - 23 Oyonnax
Racing Metro Paris 28 - 11 Lyon
Clermont Auvergne 43 - 12 Lyon
Lyon 28 - 18 Castres
La Rochelle 29 - 10 Lyon
Lyon 24 - 19 Bayonne

So typically French - some good wins at home, generally poor away.

This should be an Edinburgh win and, dare I say it, a TBP win too. But still, this is Edinburgh so God knows what will happen.

Biggest worry is getting a team together, particularly in the back row.

by PenfroPete Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:55 am

Referee: Matthew Carley (England)
http://www.rfu.com/news/2013/july/news-articles/020713_matthew_carley

Other officials to follow

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:00 pm

Cheers, to be honest I didn't really look that hard to find out who is due to be the ref.

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:25 pm

Judging by the ceaslessly accurate reference point that is Wikipedia, it seems to me that Les Loupes' best players are Emmanuel Felsina (one of France's oldest new caps but a hard arse prop as I recall), Lionel Nallet (class is permanent), George Smith (so THAT'S where he is), Juan Manuel Leguizamón (see Lionel Nallet), Ricky Januarie (no idea he was there), Stephen Brett (he was excellent for the Crusaders, unfortunately for him he was born in the Carter era), Vincent Martin (fricking quick if I recall correctly) and Lachie Munroe (he was good with Auckland Blues).

by tigertattie Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:32 pm

So for leadership, Lyon have Nallet while we have Strauss

Advantage Lyon so far.......................

PS, can you add some GC style 'mascot' pics to the thread please? A nice wee pic of some wee French hottie may just cheer me up at work today!

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Sadly my limited computer system at work won't let me, GC (or anyone with the ability) please feel free to amend as you see fit.

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:54 pm

Whom would we like? Do we care whether they are associated with Lyon and Edinburgh or not?

by funnyExiledScot Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:57 pm

George Carlin wrote:Whom would we like? Do we care whether they are associated with Lyon and Edinburgh or not?

Eva Green - Lyon (she's French)

Gemma Arterton - Edinburgh (she's posh)

by whocares Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:10 pm

Mimi Mathy - not so famous french actress and humorist born in lyon Very Happy

by **RDW** Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:12 pm

whocares wrote:Mimi Mathy - not so famous french actress and humorist born in lyon

Just googled her - she's 57!

More of GC's era I suppose. Very Happy

p.s. - GC - now that ASBO is gone you're gonna have to take the old man jokes.

by whocares Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:17 pm

She's also 132 cm

by PenfroPete Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:27 pm

SPOONS - don't want rain on your parade but the table should read

European Rugby Challenge Cup - Pool 4
1 Lyon 1 1 0 0 28/18 1 5
2 Edinburgh 1 1 0 0 15/13 0 4
3 Bordeaux-Begles 1 0 0 1 13/15 1 1
4 London Welsh 1 0 0 1 18/28 0 0
(shows bonus points)

shouldn't it ?

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:28 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
whocares wrote:Mimi Mathy - not so famous french actress and humorist born in lyon

Just googled her - she's 57!

More of GC's era I suppose.

p.s. - GC - now that ASBO is gone you're gonna have to take the old man jokes.

I might be 37 but FES' jokes are at least 3 times older than that.

by whocares Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:31 pm

ASBO left ? Sad

Anyway back to the game, half backs January and brett wont travel to Scotland it seems. Which means Loree and some unknown 10 will have to do the job.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:47 pm

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
whocares wrote:Mimi Mathy - not so famous french actress and humorist born in lyon

Just googled her - she's 57!

More of GC's era I suppose.

p.s. - GC - now that ASBO is gone you're gonna have to take the old man jokes.
I might be 37 but FES' jokes are at least 3 times older than that.

You may not believe this but I write my own material.....

Pretty sure Jimbopip is the old boy on here now.

Can't believe ASBO's sulk has lasted this long. I thought the Sturge's promise/threat for independence in her lifetime (and as a weegie she's already close to average life expectancy) would have driven him back on here.

by tigertattie Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:00 pm

whocares wrote:ASBO left ?
Anyway back to the game, half backs January and brett wont travel to Scotland it seems. Which means Loree and some unknown 10 will have to do the job.

Their choice or the clubs?

Did they turn round to the manager and say (feel free to say this in a dodgy allo allo accent) "Monsieur, see zat cold and rainy place they call Moorayfield! I refuse to go on zee air-ee-plane to go dere as it will make my buffon go all fuzzeeeee"

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:02 pm

PenfroPete wrote:SPOONS - don't want rain on your parade but the table should read

European Rugby Challenge Cup - Pool 4
1 Lyon 1 1 0 0 28/18 1 5
2 Edinburgh 1 1 0 0 15/13 0 4
3 Bordeaux-Begles 1 0 0 1 13/15 1 1
4 London Welsh 1 0 0 1 18/28 0 0
(shows bonus points)

shouldn't it ?

No idea mate, just copied it from a site that looked reputable. But considering you have shown me up in terms of my ref identifying ability and now my rubbish choice of tables, I'm suspecting I should take a back seat in creating threads for a while. Clearly I'm no good at it.

I'll go with your table for what it should actually look like.

by whocares Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:10 pm

tigertattie wrote:
whocares wrote:ASBO left ?
Anyway back to the game, half backs January and brett wont travel to Scotland it seems. Which means Loree and some unknown 10 will have to do the job.

Their choice or the clubs?

Did they turn round to the manager and say (feel free to say this in a dodgy allo allo accent) "Monsieur, see zat cold and rainy place they call Moorayfield! I refuse to go on zee air-ee-plane to go dere as it will make my buffon go all fuzzeeeee"

Didnt know saffers and kiwis spoke like that Smile

Both have been involved in most games including last so need some rest.

by PenfroPete Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:13 pm

SPOONS - nah, don't stop was just trying to help.

by EWT Spoons Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:17 pm

It's cool mate, I'll keep cranking out sub par threads and I appreciate the help to keep me right. thumbsup

by **RDW** Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:14 am

Wow - some particularly lovely examples for the pictures on this thread!

by **RDW** Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:24 am

Selection wise, probably not a lot to talk about really - can't see there being many surprises in the lineup. We all know Strauss is going to be at 12 so no point saying we want Hurley to be there!

We've got Leinster away next up, which is a bit of a shame given that we'll hopefully get a win over Lyon and should have some momentum for the GPro12. We'll also be without our Scotland players no doubt so that will mean no Dickinson, Ford, Gilchrist, Visser, Heathcoat, although I suspect Fife will be willing to play given he's just come back from injury. Saying that, Leinster will probably be without their Ireland players too, but can't see us getting much from that game.

by HammerofThunor Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:26 am

On the ref, Matthew Carley is the English up and comer. 2nd year in the premiership (I think). Overall I think he's been very good and is currently probably my favourite English ref.

by **George Carlin** Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:14 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Wow - some particularly lovely examples for the pictures on this thread!

FES to be thanked for his nominations and accompanying tenuous connections.

by funnyExiledScot Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:53 pm

I'd just go with the same side were I Solomons, and give them another shot. If Coman is out then Grant probably comes in with Ritchie on the bench.

Clearly I'd like Cuthbert back at 15, Tonks at 10 and Burleigh at 12, but wish in one hand and sh1t in the other and see which fills up first!

by killer938 Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:16 pm

I would expect Edinburgh to win this. Lyon, having come up to the Top 14 for the second time in 3 years have recruited a lot better this time but still very inconsistent (though the whole Top 14 has been a bit strange so far this season).

For the return leg, let me know if any of you guys are coming over and I will direct you to the best watering holes and restaurants here.

by **RDW** Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:32 pm

killer938 wrote:I would expect Edinburgh to win this. Lyon, having come up to the Top 14 for the second time in 3 years have recruited a lot better this time but still very inconsistent (though the whole Top 14 has been a bit strange so far this season).

For the return leg, let me know if any of you guys are coming over and I will direct you to the best watering holes and restaurants here.

Just looked at flights - it's not an easy please to get to from Edinburgh! Or to rephrase, it is not an affordable place to get to from Edinburgh...!

Looking at near 500 quid for two people for flights.

by **George Carlin** Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:40 pm

Lyon is an absolutely amazing small city, incidentally.
Not called the 'real culinary capital of France' for no reason.

Just fly to London and then do Easyjet.

by killer938 Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:44 pm

Yes it is, it is an amazing little city and a great place to live as well.

Yep, from Scotland it isn't easy (I had to do it for the Ryder Cup) though they do flights with Easyjet on Wednesdays and Saturdays and as the match seems to be on a Thursday it might be an option

Edit: my apologies, the flights on Wednesdays seem to have disappeared which doesn't make it easy at all

by killer938 Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:51 pm

There seem to be some decent prices on skyscanner, have to change at Birmingham on the way here but doesn't add too much time to the journey and the return (going Thursday, coming back Saturday) is £124 per person

by **RDW** Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:04 pm

George Carlin wrote:Lyon is an absolutely amazing small city, incidentally.
Not called the 'real culinary capital of France' for no reason.

Just fly to London and then do Easyjet.

It's ok for you mega rich oil Barron lawyers!

by **George Carlin** Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:20 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Lyon is an absolutely amazing small city, incidentally.
Not called the 'real culinary capital of France' for no reason.

Just fly to London and then do Easyjet.

It's ok for you mega rich oil Barron lawyers!

ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Acigar11

by VinceWLB Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:23 pm

Stats of the Bordeaux game out: http://www.espnscrum.com/european-rugby-challenge-cup-2014-15/rugby/match/237203.html

UBB seemed to have dominated slightly, Bresler totally anonymous (hopefully he did all the donkey work that doesn't appear in stats..), 3 pens against Nel isn't a big surprise, Leonardi highest metres run of both sets of forwards, i have a gut feeling he is going to be called up by the Argentina team and face Scotland. Edinburgh could be totally barefoot in the backrow although Denton is due back soonly and has logically not been called up.

by PenfroPete Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Referee: Matthew Carley (England)
Assistant referees: Ian Tempest (England), Ashley Rowden (England)
Timekeeper: John Montgomery (Scotland)
Assessor: Clayton Thomas (Wales)

by funnyExiledScot Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:48 pm

I do query those stats. Visser made 52 metres without beating a single defender, Leonardi played the whole game yet only made 3 tackles and no turnovers (whereas Tonks has two), Bresler did virtually nothing other than take one lineout throw and concede a penalty and most surprisingly Visser didn't miss a single tackle. I do question the credibility of these stats.

by VinceWLB Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:56 pm

Yeah they are what they are, i don't even know who made them as the game wasn't on tv, maybe teams send these to espn? this is a mystery to me.
Some stats are credible enough to me like Strauss not doing much ball in hands and yes Visser didn't miss a tackle but he only made one! which is more like it.

by funnyExiledScot Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:26 am

I suppose Visser has got pretty useful at massaging statistics. I guess you don't miss a tackle if you manage somehow not to be in the vicinity of the opposing attacking player, like his trademark interception attempts which usually result in someone else getting a walk-in try.

by des Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:21 am

On the subject of getting to Lyon, I used to have to travel to Valence fairly regularly and often passed through Lyon on my way. A direct flight to CDG and the TGV to Lyon can be a very pleasant and often cheap way of getting from Edinburgh to Lyon.

Also, for those using skyscanner, the algorithm used for pricing isn't purely based on remaining seats. The number of distinct searches also pushes up the price so don't go searching too often. It's designed to panic users into buying early.

by **RDW** Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:20 pm

I'm not a fan of Skyscanner - by the time you click through to actually booking your seats, they are a lot more expensive than what they originally quoted you!

by **George Carlin** Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:43 pm

des wrote:On the subject of getting to Lyon, I used to have to travel to Valence fairly regularly and often passed through Lyon on my way. A direct flight to CDG and the TGV to Lyon can be a very pleasant and often cheap way of getting from Edinburgh to Lyon.

Also, for those using skyscanner, the algorithm used for pricing isn't purely based on remaining seats. The number of distinct searches also pushes up the price so don't go searching too often. It's designed to panic users into buying early.

Honestly?

ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014 Cant_b10

The absolute barstewards.

by des Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:17 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Honestly? The absolute barstewards.

It's not necessarily them that do it. There are some very complex arrangements between them and the airlines so it may be part of those agreements.

They've moved well beyond web scraping.

I don't work there but know a few folk that do. I've probably said too much already censored

by **RDW** Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:26 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Stats of the Bordeaux game out: http://www.espnscrum.com/european-rugby-challenge-cup-2014-15/rugby/match/237203.html

UBB seemed to have dominated slightly, Bresler totally anonymous (hopefully he did all the donkey work that doesn't appear in stats..), 3 pens against Nel isn't a big surprise, Leonardi highest metres run of both sets of forwards, i have a gut feeling he is going to be called up by the Argentina team and face Scotland. Edinburgh could be totally barefoot in the backrow although Denton is due back soonly and has logically not been called up.

No call up for Leonardi, so that helps us out.

by killer938 Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:33 pm

des wrote:On the subject of getting to Lyon, I used to have to travel to Valence fairly regularly and often passed through Lyon on my way. A direct flight to CDG and the TGV to Lyon can be a very pleasant and often cheap way of getting from Edinburgh to Lyon.

Also, for those using skyscanner, the algorithm used for pricing isn't purely based on remaining seats. The number of distinct searches also pushes up the price so don't go searching too often. It's designed to panic users into buying early.

Wow, I didn't know that, thanks for the info

by funnyExiledScot Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:37 pm

Thanks for that des. Now both the soap dodgers who can afford the Internet will be logging in and searching for flights to penalise the Edinburgh faithful (again, both of them).

by **George Carlin** Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:05 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:Thanks for that des. Now both the soap dodgers who can afford the Internet will be logging in and searching for flights to penalise the Edinburgh faithful (again, both of them).

Wouldn't worry too much. The ongoing increased cost of heroin, lorne sausage, Buckfast, knives, Wham bars, Dobermans and Kappa tracksuit bottoms with metal poppers on them still prices most of us out.

by EWT Spoons Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:35 am

George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Thanks for that des. Now both the soap dodgers who can afford the Internet will be logging in and searching for flights to penalise the Edinburgh faithful (again, both of them).
Wouldn't worry too much. The ongoing increased cost of heroin, lorne sausage, Buckfast, knives, Wham bars, Dobermans and Kappa tracksuit bottoms with metal poppers on them still prices most of us out.

When I first read that, I missed the comma between buckfast and knives, and for a moment thought, fair play to those monks, I mean know your market, and buckfast knives does seem like the next logical step. They could quite literally make a killing with that level of diversification

by funnyExiledScot Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:17 am

George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Thanks for that des. Now both the soap dodgers who can afford the Internet will be logging in and searching for flights to penalise the Edinburgh faithful (again, both of them).
Wouldn't worry too much. The ongoing increased cost of heroin, lorne sausage, Buckfast, knives, Wham bars, Dobermans and Kappa tracksuit bottoms with metal poppers on them still prices most of us out.

Cost of living crisis in a nutshell there GC.

by **George Carlin** Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:33 am

EWT Spoons wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Thanks for that des. Now both the soap dodgers who can afford the Internet will be logging in and searching for flights to penalise the Edinburgh faithful (again, both of them).
Wouldn't worry too much. The ongoing increased cost of heroin, lorne sausage, Buckfast, knives, Wham bars, Dobermans and Kappa tracksuit bottoms with metal poppers on them still prices most of us out.

When I first read that, I missed the comma between buckfast and knives, and for a moment thought, fair play to those monks, I mean know your market, and buckfast knives does seem like the next logical step. They could quite literally make a killing with that level of diversification

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