ECC - Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon 24/10/2014

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Edinburgh Rugby vs Lyon Olympique Universitaire
Date: Friday 24th October -  KO: 19.45
Venue: Murrayfield

Referee: Matthew Carley (England)
Assistant referees: Ian Tempest (England), Ashley Rowden (England)
Timekeeper: John Montgomery (Scotland)
Assessor: Clayton Thomas (Wales)

TV - Nope

Table as it stands

European Rugby Challenge Cup - Pool 4
1  Lyon  1  1  0  0  28/18  1  5  
2  Edinburgh  1  1  0  0  15/13  0  4  
3  Bordeaux-Begles  1  0  0  1  13/15  1  1  
4  London Welsh  1  0  0  1  18/28  0  0  

Teams:

Edinburgh Rugby:

15 Greig Tonks
14 Dougie Fife
13 Sam Beard
12 Andries Strauss
11 Tim Visser
10 Phil Burleigh
9 Sam Hidlago-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford
3 Willem Nel
4 Anton Bresler
5 Grant Gilchrist (captain)
6 Roddy Grant
7 Hamish Watson
8 Tomas Leonardi

16 James Hilterbrand
17 Allan Del
18 John Andress
19 Ben Toolis
20 David Denton
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Tom Heathcote
23 Nick McLennan

Lyon Olympique Universitaire:

15 Jerome Porical
14 Franck Romanet
13 Paul Bonnefond
12 Waisele Seru Sukanaveita
11 Thibaut Regard
10 Romain Loursac
9 Mathieu Loree

1 Sami Mavinga
2 Damien Fitzpatrick
3 Hoani Tui
4 Mickael De Marco
5 Connie Basson (capt)
6 Julien Puricelli
7 Alexandre Derrien
8 Masi Matadigo

16 Vincent Colliat
17 Emmanuel Felsina
18 Horace Pungea
19 Joe Tuineau
20 Steevy Cerqueira
21 Adrien Bau
22 Didier Tison
23 Vincent Martin

Leinster away is always rough and a fixture I'd usually expect little from, so in some ways not the worst fixture at this stage. Zebre away would in some respects be less fortunate, as it's an important one to win away.

Still, brutal injury list and the likes of Bradbury will soon find out what they are made of. Hopefully we'll see Hoyland and Brown as well.

Very good win for Edinburgh, especially given the circumstances. You see there is a team spirit in there just waiting to be let out. It was at some cost on the injuries front though and you have got to feel desperately sorry for Gilchrist and Watson in particular. Surely they are going to have to find a few other players from somewhere, some of these injuries sound relatively long term.

How severe are injuries to the likes of McKenzie and Atkins? That injury list is beginning to look quite scary..

Early November break can't come soon enough and next is 2 defining fixtures with Blues at home and improved Zebre away.

As far as I can make out last night's injuries look like;

Grant - compressed fracture of the cheekbone
Watson - broken jaw
Gilchrist - double forearm fracture
Burleigh - grade 2 or 3 medial ligament
Beard - head knock possible concussion

No word on why Fife, Dickinson and Strauss were late withdrawals, but if they were listed to start hopefully just niggles.

We really will be struggling next week, with 13 players listed as injured prior to the match I make that more than 20 on the injury list now. Next week's medical bulletin is going to read like War and Peace!

Edit: someone on the Embra forum posting that Fife's done a hamstring.

Serious injuries for Hurley and Gilchrist - gutted.

Unfortunately not going to see many of them again this side of xmas.

According to the Embra forum, Bresler could be out injured as well..

3 wins in a row is great but at what cost did it came?

I've been disappointed with Bresler so far - he just doesn't look match fir at all, or game hungry.

I don't know the timescales, but we should be expecting Tom Brown back soon and Greig Tonks can play outside centre if needed. We've also got Farndale. The pack looks very bare currently .

Ferndale's broken, knee I think.

ER:

Further to last night's European Rugby Challenge Cup win over Lyon at BT Murrayfield, a number of players received injuries and are subject to ongoing medical treatment.

Flanker Hamish Watson will have an operation on a fractured jaw tomorrow, fellow back row forward Roddy Grant will have an operation on a fractured cheekbone at the beginning of the week and centre Phil Burleigh has torn his medial collateral ligament.

Lock Grant Gilchrist has seen a specialist who is reviewing his x-rays following a fractured bone in his arm, to decide on further management of the injury.

All injuries are being monitored to establish recovery timelines.

Baws.

Desperate times, desperate measures - we're needed.

http://www.sportsdirect.com/mens/mens-rugby-boots

Ben Atiga to open side flanker?

justified sinner wrote:As far as I can make out last night's injuries look like;

Grant - compressed fracture of the cheekbone
Watson - broken jaw
Gilchrist - double forearm fracture
Burleigh - grade 2 or 3 medial ligament
Beard - head knock possible concussion

My word, thats quite a price to pay for a win! Going to be very hard to maintain any momentum with basically all of our key players now injured!

Nematode wrote:ER:

Further to last night's European Rugby Challenge Cup win over Lyon at BT Murrayfield, a number of players received injuries and are subject to ongoing medical treatment.

Flanker Hamish Watson will have an operation on a fractured jaw tomorrow, fellow back row forward Roddy Grant will have an operation on a fractured cheekbone at the beginning of the week and centre Phil Burleigh has torn his medial collateral ligament.

Lock Grant Gilchrist has seen a specialist who is reviewing his x-rays following a fractured bone in his arm, to decide on further management of the injury.

All injuries are being monitored to establish recovery timelines.

Okay, it's time for Glasgow to share their squad around.
Cannot have good players like Ashe, Spinks, Wilson and Bordill sitting on the sidelines when Edinburgh have no loose forward cover.

Anyone know the rules behind player shares? I know the sru employ the players, but what about league rules and player registration?

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone know the rules behind player shares? I know the sru employ the players, but what about league rules and player registration?

Edinburgh Loan Rules:
1. If they're good, send them to Glasgow immediately.
2. If they are no good, play them consistently in all Edinburgh teams or send them to a French Pro 2 club.
3. If they're Lee Jones, send them to  Glasgow where they will prove invaluable for 2 games, then send them to 7s.
4. If you don't know what to do with them, send them to 7s.
5. If they're very good and you have no replacement for them, send them to Glasgow to prove just how good they are, then send them to London Irish.

George Carlin wrote:

Nematode wrote:ER:

Further to last night's European Rugby Challenge Cup win over Lyon at BT Murrayfield, a number of players received injuries and are subject to ongoing medical treatment.

Flanker Hamish Watson will have an operation on a fractured jaw tomorrow, fellow back row forward Roddy Grant will have an operation on a fractured cheekbone at the beginning of the week and centre Phil Burleigh has torn his medial collateral ligament.

Lock Grant Gilchrist has seen a specialist who is reviewing his x-rays following a fractured bone in his arm, to decide on further management of the injury.

All injuries are being monitored to establish recovery timelines.

Okay, it's time for Glasgow to share their squad around.
Cannot have good players like Ashe, Spinks, Wilson and Bordill sitting on the sidelines when Edinburgh have no loose forward cover.

Absolutely, Edinburgh will be in dire need, even moreso during the international window.

So will the Edinburgh XV be for the next game??

1.Dell 2.Hilterbrand 3.Nel 4.Bresler 5.Toolis 6.Leonardi 7.Bradbury 8.Denton 9.SH-C 10.Tonks 11.Brown 12.Strauss 13.Dean 14.Hoyland 15.Cuthbert

good job we aren't playing anybody too difficult.

Just the reigning Pro12 finalists and multi European Championship winners in their own backyard.

I feel any momentum we have gained is about to be obliterated in 80 minutes.

funnyExiledScot wrote:So will the Edinburgh XV be for the next game??

1.Dell 2.Hilterbrand 3.Nel 4.Bresler 5.Toolis 6.Leonardi 7.Bradbury 8.Denton 9.SH-C 10.Tonks 11.Brown 12.Strauss 13.Dean 14.Hoyland 15.Cuthbert

Dell and S H-C are both with the Scotland squad I believe, so I would imagine they will be unavailable. I'm sure someone also said the Bresler has picked up a knock and didn't Strauss pull out of the last game because of injury?

I hope no one else gets injured in the A game.

Dell and S-H-C are very much in the squad for the experience, so they'll surely be released. Especially given the injuries!

Well there's always Sutherland if Dell can't make it, and Hart or Kennedy if Hidalgo-Clyne can't.

That's all well and good but who goes on the bench at loosehead?

Dell was listed as being in the squad for the experience - they're not gonna pull him out of the Edinburgh game!

I think it's getting to a point where it's easier to make an uninjured list:

Ross Ford fit
James Hilterbrand fit
Stuart McInally fit
George Turner fit
Simon Berghan fit
John Andress fit
Allan Dell fit
WP Nel Prop fit
Alex Toolis fit (should be back from the loan)
Ben Toolis fit
Tomás Leonardi fit
David Denton fit
Grayson Hart fit
Sam Hidalgo-Clyne fit
Sean Kennedy fit
Tom Heathcote fit
Ben Atiga fit (sort of)
Joaquín Domínguez fit
Chris Dean fit – on loan
Damian Hoyland fit - 7s
Tim Visser fit
Jack Cuthbert fit
Greig Tonks fit

I think we are likely to see McInally making a return to the back row, also where has McAlpine gone?

Last I read mcinally and Turner were injured?

Mcalpine was released!

Think i read McInally would return for the AI period but yeah this week could be a week too early for him.

Didn't know that about McAlpine, i guess no teams have 7 locks on their books.

RDW_Scotland wrote:That's all well and good but who goes on the bench at loosehead?

Dell was listed as being in the squad for the experience - they're not gonna pull him out of the Edinburgh game!

We should have Dell and Sutherland to cover loosehead, which is pretty decent, but there's also Simon Berghan don't forget who can play badly on both sides, all 20 stones of him.